Thelema Tom et All,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
> From my view, I would have to assert that
> Thelema cannot reside comfortably within
> singular objective definitions and as such,
> it can be identified as both a religion and
> a 'spiritual discipline'.
I very much enjoyed reading your thoughtfilled
writing. Following along the same line of thinking;
it seems to me, Thelema might be classed as far
more of a religion than most "orthodox" religions,
in at least four very important ways - one as you
#1. Thelema does not confront orthodox axioms
from within the 'confines of the church'.
... in addition...
#2. Magical Practice has been discarded my most
religions and peoples, for some, reduced to head
banging against a brick wall, and various other
In this respect, Thelema falls more into the category
of "come-outer" religions, including "The Shakers",
snake handlers, fire-walkers - Shamanist, Paganists,
Voodoo-Hoodoo; roots firmly planted and supported
by deep Pillars of long ago disgraced Wisdom, the
"Knowledge". Most outrageously exciting to me is
the Fact, AL can be Proven using our 6 senses.
I relate this proof to proof as determined by the
Heintzenberg Bell Chamber experiments, not trying
to be fancy, of course I read it - EJ Gold thoroughly
impressed and informed me, and verified by other
sources many times since; again recently involving
new DNA studies.
The bell chamber or jar is a vacuum tube, wherein
an unseen or unknown element can be measured
by introducing a previously measured known element,
elements, into a tube containing the unknown invisible
substance; later measuring the change, if any, in "quality",
(shape, texture, color, quantity, size, weight, density,
odor, atomic and vibrational structures), the unknown
as had on the known, by comparing its before and
So in the same way, the Presence or Essence of Spirit
in our daily lives, ritualistic behavior and "Magickal
Attainment" of Spiritual Invokations can be measured
by determining the identity, quantity and quality of the
known elements we place in our jar, before and after
Love and hate have opposite detectable effects on the
body. This can be proven both scientifically and most
intimately by the individual; both having distinguishable
and measurable vibrational, electromagnetic and light
Evidence of Spirit or seemingly Miraculous Events or
Benefits following a Spiritual Worship can be measured
personally and scientifically, by detectable factors that
seem to appear out of nowhere, as effects of some
#3. Thelema's Theology is empowering, most orthodox
axioms are disempowering.
#4. Thelema is not only a Religion based on Faith, it's
an exact Science that incorporates Spirituality with a
systematic knowledge and application of Universal
Principles; the Law of Love, Law of Attraction, the
Science of Creation, Astrology, Mythology, geology,
Egyptology, linguistics, history, Alchemy, chemistry,
applied physics, quantum mechanics, mathematics,
physiology, psychology and biology... not excluding
a full party menu; party favours, special recipes &
dress, guessing games, songs, puzzles, tarot cards,
birds, marvelous Hosts & Hostess, and a flock of
> As far as Crowley and Thelema are concerned,
> his 'branch of Thelema' is most decidedly a
> religion based on three extant factors:
> The belief that the account of events given by
> Crowley regarding the 'reception of Liber AL vel
> Legis" are absolutely true. This belief in Al as a
> 'Divine Advent' matches those held by several
> other religions regarding their own religious
> writings. This tenet qualifies in a classical
> sense as a 'religious belief'.
Absolutely, and evidenced by many other absolute
facts not found in most other "classical" religions.
#1. Aleister Crowley was a real person, living in our
time. Many knew him personally, wrote books about
him, his Work & implemented his Findings. Crowley's
entire life proved the validity of his Work, to himself
and others who followed his delineated Path, and
quite remarkably, and most appreciatively... people
#2. Crowley had a witness and participant in the
Event, a real living person. As far as I know, no one
who wrote about Jesus ever met Him or witnessed His
Event, except Mary and Peter and Judas, according to
the Dead Sea Scrolls, but no way to test authorship.
In fact it's said, historians living in that time and
area made no account of His Life or Death.
> Someone piped up recently and said that worship
> and religion are unrelated or somesuch. I could not
> disagree more
I couldn't agree with you more.
> worship is a key aspect of ANY religion,
Speaking of pipes, pot smoking, in the classical sense
is a religion to some; a worship central to a liturgy and
ritualistic practice. Watching television, sport's events
& athletes, the gods of men - Hollywood movie stars,
poker stars... politicians and political conventions -
accumulation of wealth is a religion, power and gold
the worships of many, and to some, even crime is
#3. Liber AL is Living Proof - but "Rarely does one
actually 'get it' with regards to individuation and
creating an artistic tangent for one's life".
Appears this might be "because", the Book is difficult
to understand and evidently they see no to reason to
try... seems very strange; for me it was Love at first
sight. I'm completely lost as to why?... why me?...
and why you?... and NOT them? Much of AL is easy
to grasp, once you get the drift - we've heard the
same stuff... beginning with the ol' snake, and
#4... science has recently proven, "every man and
every woman is a star"...
#5... politicians have proven, "fools of men" and "the
fools men adore are fools"...
#6... and proven, "There is no bond that can unite
the divided but love"... especially not war...
#7... and "Nothing", "no difference made among
you between any one thing & any other thing", is
homoiconic to most Eastern Religions...
#8... "and the dew of her light bathing his whole body
in a sweet smelling perfume of sweat... for certain, is
an excellent description of a Spirit encounter in
anyone's book... for certain I'd be bathing in sweat...
#9... "seek me only", nearly an impossible Path to abide,
although axiomatic, this isn't new either... a highly
verifiable Religion in It's Self, and self evidenced, and
attested to by millions, at least thousands, hundreds,
or a few of the holy cloistered...
... no point in dragging on, but the point is; proof of
AL is in the Book and everywhere self-evident.
> However this is just fine, as Frater Damon used to
> say: "People have to work from where they are, not
> from where they THINK they are".
I love hearing what Damon said - if I'd been there I'd
have asked him - What if we work from where we want
to go?... entwined with the concept of Thelema and
the concept of 'Magickal Attainment'?
> From what we can observe from the debate
> process even on this list, argumentative, technical
> discourse about such things does not seem to serve
> a fruitful goal or purpose.
I don't know exactly who the "we" is, but please don't
include me. From what I've observed, this list is no
different than a Heintzenberg Bell Chamber. The
fruitfulness of the goal or purpose can be measured
by comparing the quality and character of the fruits
introduced, to those produced, but in this laboratory,
the quality and character of the elements present in
the observer making the determination; the fruits of
the observer must also be determined before drawing
> In my opinion, one may define Thelema functionally
> for oneself, but it is intractable to attempt to define
> it for others or even worse, attempt to create a single
> overarching definition.
In light of your opinion, you might want to reevaluate
your conclusions, "overarching definition", regarding
the fruitlessness of goals and purpose of others.
> Yet, the beauty of the 'applied' philosophy of Thelema,
> is that it allows room for each type of work, and each
> type of individual.
It is beauteous and illuminous.
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
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