hey mate, this is getting good!
On 06/09/2007, tom chaudoin <taammuz@...> wrote:
> --- Jake Stratton-Kent
> <jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
> As I understood Lexicon was a 'cipher generator' using
> alternate rotary keys. The colloquialism "Cipher 6"
> (not naeq6?)
different usages have proliferated,
(did you catch NAEQ interpreted as 'New American English Qabala'!!!)
was used because ALW is the 6th cipher
> arrangement to be kicked out by Lexicon, a
> synchronistic fact which is held in high regard by
> many 'American ALWers'.
must have something that eludes me ;-)
> NAEQ is apparently Allen Greenfield's term, at least
> he sent me a frothing email two years ago xlaiming he
> had coined the term.
<hand up> didn't know that.
I picked it up as regular
> nomenclature to distinguish between the various other
> cipher solutions to AL which have cropped up, and of
> course dont forget ol' Fetch's serial order mummery
> which he arbitrarily referred to as 'English Qaballa'
> to the exclusion of all other systems.
yep, he never would say how he decided on that spelling. ;-)
Mind you, to be honest I never liked the term 'EQ' or 'English
Qaballa' much, though the spelling is signficant enough. I've no doubt
these terms will hang around, common 'usage and abusage' are stubborn
critters, and I for one appreciate their virtues...
> There is division hither homeward, it seems.
oh, and multiplication too ;-)
the two seem together, the more something multiplies, the more
division there is ;-)
the best worker you and I know who fits
> > that description is
> > usually very quick to put his hand up and say 'I
> > didn't know that'
> > when some element of the UK work finally gets across
> > the Atlantic.
> Jake, I certainly regard any of your opinions on
> occult lore very highly, and if you're speaking of
> Joel, I feel certain he does too.
yup, that's the guy, wish we coulda got him to England years ago, but
the Fates decided homegrown EQ would have more mythfits than mathfits,
(not that we are to fear the Fates!)
However, when to
> speak of 'primary sources' of ALW, I'm not sure what
> materials you are referring.
they come in two departments:
first all the printed stuff, much of which wasn't in evidence in
US-EQ (that is, plenty of stuff on the net in the 80s that knew of the
Order & Value, but not much use of the interpretative notions the
UK-EQists had developed and published).
secondly the 'oral tradition' in the UK, and the unprinted stuff -
only some of which got filtered through Damon into accessible
resources in the US.
That at least is my subjective impression from analysing the US-EQ
stuff and from visiting the US nine times to date (I'm not the only
Trans-Atlantic EQist, but darned close). Shame in some respects that
most of that travel was focussed on one post-Damon group, but I got to
see all the back-issues of 'Thelema' etc. and there is comparatively
little cross over of core ideas in evidence. Even the astro-timing
concepts in the UK don't really seem to have made the Trans-Atlantic
crossing intact. Damon often said to me that his American members
'don't get it'. Don't think I'm blaming anyone over there for this,
Jim wasn't nearly as forthcoming as he might have been for one.
I remember when we met,
> you had spoken of writing a series of EQ primers, if
> that material or any source material is available, I'd
> sure like to be pointed at it.
> Our work with ALW here
> in the southern US particularly is for certain, its
> own 'star and system', nonetheless I must re-iterate
> that we are a historical extension of the work you and
> yours' began and continue.
not denying that, and hope I didn't give that impression. Such
extensions are vital, and 'deviations' usually resolve into a richer
fabric for the tradition they connect with (see where I go with the
rest of this email if you don't get me here).
> > ;-) For all these unhelpful developments folks can
> > at least blame the
> > previous generation, had they put more effort into
> > global networking
> > (by travel, snailmail and phone in those days) EQ
> > and modern Thelema
> > might have saved itself a lot of grief!
> Yeah, it would have been interesting if someone had
> gained Grady's ear about EQ in this lifetime, it might
> have changed the current outcome for the better, or
> made it worse, gods know, maybe....
Oh there was some contact between Grady and the EQists, but methinks
Grady, Jim and Damon could have sent emissaries around the place with
an ecumenical agenda, rather than play their corners. Though to be
fair my impression of Grady is there was a more ecumenical tone in
evidence back then.
Thing is to share as much as we can now, get the early Brit EQ
material properly analysed. Given the amateur nature of much Thelemic
research back then (including EQ) there are some astonishing insights
to be sifted out and clarified. That isn't an unusual event in the
history of important systems, Aghenanda Bharati talks of the 'village
wise men' who penned the tantras, and how different they are from the
pundits who write the commentaries. There's no difficulty answering
that particular chicken and egg question.
The 'interregnum' between Crowley dying and the emergence of
reconstructed Orders may have been a completely essential period, so
Thelema could get down and dirty rather than stay in the hot house.
Probably Crowley, and certainly some of his 'successors', have
misunderstood the importance of 'folk religion', how it feeds and
precedes the highbrow guys who formulate elegant systems from the
'Gibberish' of the 'Primitives'.
You can't understand an old or create a new Living Tradition by
sticking with literary sources and elitist structures. The ivory tower
mentality of much that passes for Thelema, scorning not only other
Thelemites but 'popular religion' in its more magical manifestations,
is a major clue to understanding the sterility of the movement in its
current phase. EQ is 'Thelemic folklore', and we should be glad and
proud of that.
Crowley wanted desperately to connect with something primal, but at
the same time was a snooty intellectual from the snootiest class of
British society. Following him in his snootyism, as many Thelemites
do, won't reconnect with the 'Mysterium Tremendum' just as the
'Classical whitewash' of old Greek and Middle Eastern folk religion
lost the fire and only led to a travesty they could no longer believe
So, Thelemic folklore wouldn't have happened had AC had an up and
running Order and Successor, and though some folks might prefer that,
they're short sighted.