> > Nice rant. Personally I don't see anything wrong with discussing
> > contents of Liber AL; most do, I don't. Some are worried about
> > influencing others perspective, but I think that's done everytime
> > someone reads a post, goes online, studies just about anything
> > Thelema, etc. etc. Its impossible not to be influenced by others
> > concerning anything Thelemic at all. Perhaps one shouldn't publish
> > commentary or say "this is the way its got to be", but harmless
> > discussion betwixt Thelemites seems like a good idea. After all, if
> > you're brain is weak enough to be so easily influenced, Thelema
> > isn't for you in the first place, right?
> From: lilredac <lilredac@...>
> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
> Part of the prohibition against discussing the Red Book is:1)So you
> do not influence other's views;
And yet - merely by *having* in your worldview the ideas of Thelema (the
very basic ones, "Do what thou wilt" and like that), you cannot help *but*
influence others... as your view would influence others if you wore... er,
had any other worldview... and vice versa... That is, influencing others
even, in your body language, bearing, grace and style, vocal intonation,
etc, when saying "Pass the salt..."
> but more-so 2)The more you open up
> for non-thelemites, the more reson they have to ridicule us.
What? You mean, like kick sand in your face and run off with your girl (boy,
animal, ice cream, inflata-buddy, whatever)? <g> People who seek solace in
ridiculing others do not need a "reason", nor even an excuse - it's just
what cowards DO. OTOH (note: OTOH denotes "On The Other Hand" in InterWeb
shorthand and is not to be confused with "Ordo Templi Orientis Heremticus",
which is a lovely organization consisting of fine and noble people who,
evenso, seem to lust for the result of their continuing attempts to
copyright said InterWeb shorthand acronym (OTOH) and persecute all those who
would profane it... but we digress).... OTOH, perhaps you open yourself up
to ridicule in some other way, such as a fear that you *might* be ridiculed
for your beliefs? On the Gripping Hand (that's from a Larry Niven book - he
doesn't seem to mind people using it, though the acronym, OTGH, is the
trademarked property of Ordo Templi Gargantua Hermetica, and they will *burn
you down* with a plague of lawyers if you even so much as...), anyway... on
the Gripping Hand... Here is chapter and verse, look it up as ye will and
fear no ridicule thereafter: LiberAl 3:63-68. And of a certain, the ordeals
are what make the difference... "Begone, ye mockers" and a'that.
> purpose of Thelema is, on one hand, to present a sacred p;ace for us
> to learn and advance in the fashion of the Saints, minus the
> ridicule of the masses.
Ummm.... what? Perhaps you mean the purpose of one or another of the OTOs,
or one or another of the AAs, or some other close-knit Organization or Club
or something? Or have they gone and snuck a new one in on us, daring to call
the Organization Itself "Thelema" and now we can't even say THAT on the
InterWeb without someone naming beetles after us and whacking them with a
> WE should discuss it, but with ourselves,
> not outwards.
Okay, so how do you know who is a "real Thelemite" and who isn't? The
"Little Red Book" (the Thelemic one, not Mao's, or the patented one that the
IMHO(tm)s put out, for a small fee) doesn't mention secret handshakes or
anything. Is this "fear of ridicule" thing what's really behind everyone
going from hailing his fellows with a hearty "Do what thou wilt..." to
merely muttering "93s" in a nervous stage whisper... so that the "outsiders"
may think it is merely something from "CB Radio" or a "gang sign" and not
the Dreaded "Thelemic Greeting"??????
> Also, Liber AL is a teaching mechanism, containing
> many occult secrets so that you can discover them for yourself, and
> measure your knowledge by what is revealed to you in the text....
Yes, with that last bit I (me, it, we, us, someone by that name... Get that
razor away from the arm, please... we're all civilized now, we use rubber
bands, snap snap, golly...) completely and whole-heartedly agree. Or course,
the reverse is also true. That's how the Thing got accepted, *here* at
least. Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV - an organization so outrageous we dare
not spell out its True Notarikon at all! - went belly-up a few years ago, so
that acronym is fair game but most folks prefer to spell that one out,
> Love is the law, love under will.