> I am not sure if you are responding to Jim or I - but still.. you
> "You can generally find the mundane and basic belief structure
> > anywhere, but these are not actually secrets. Not the real one s
> > anyhow. The real ones can only be learned by traversing the path
> > initiation. You can read about the occult or whatnot all day,
> > day, but that doesn't mean that you really know anything. Then
> > again there is alot of common sense involved, once you've started
> > the path, most of it begins to unfold itself. Fraternal secrets
> > no real secrets at all.
> > Love is the law, oe under will.
> > OIO"
> I'd like to know further of how you define secrets? I don't
> necessarily disagree as to there being several layers, but I'd
> know of your distinctions.
> To me secrets of those you mention (coming from walking the path)
> to defy language and therefore in such sense becomes secret. Or
> silent. Do you think this level of secrecy is inherent in Masonry?
> any other hierachal structure - and if so - which?
> If one reads everyday allday one does attain knowledge though not
> necessarily understanding in my view. The two entail different
> But I still tend to think there are secrets on another level
> in connection with Masonry. Perhaps more mundane, perhaps not. One
> thing I do like about the OTO rituals are the inherent blasphemy
> renders through the degrees and will tease most candidates at some
Okay, on the top i see the mundane secrets:the handshakes, the
signs, the internal structure other than that revealed to the world.
Then you can move into the knowledge secrets:the symbolism of the
Order, what those handshakes and signs actually stand for, etc.
Still further you can go into the path of initiation and the
spiritual secrets which come through understanding, then the acting
out through wisdom. Then you have the deeper secrets of the
Masters, which are usually very obvious, yet the hardest to decipher
and recognize. In fact, most of the deepest ones are right out in
the front, and you read it all the time. Of course, this is done on
purpose, to make one walk the Path.
Masonry has a basic ideal of building morals, and for this they use
secrets to make you bring those morals out. yes, Freemasonry had
alot of secrets, both mundane(political, economical,et cetera) and
spiritual, but unless you go out and join, you will never fully
understand them, or even know about them...
What kind of secrets do you think they have? Perhaps that will help
me bettter answer your question....
And i enjoy Thelema for the blasphemy. People have a hard time with
dogma, which the blasphemy, as you call it, helps to alleviate.
But I must go. Sorry. Let me know, and i can better answer....
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