# 93 Kelly, er, sorry, Hal:
E6. hm, you can't tell them apart? or are they using the same acct? :>
#> Further to what 'henriebenholt' notes, the reference in published works to
#> OTO degree material, while withholding privileged details and elaboration, is
#> a long standing precedent set Crowley. Why should this policy change now?
someone was arguing that this policy should be changed? I didn't hear that.
perhaps the argument was that such restrictions are Old AEonic in character
and are therefore indications of corruption, imbecility, or sloughed skin.
#> aside from questions of why AC played that game (it does heighten interest
#> in such details and elaboration ;-) --
the incentive to delve further into the cult is very important to understand.
it may prevent unnecessary time and effort wasted in attempts to penetrate
the societal cult when in fact no such penetration is ever really necessary.
#> since the secret ions are long since out of the bag: what would you
#> say is the reason to continue to pretend the pussy is still in the
apparently you believe that "the secrets" are somehow correllate to
"secretions" as with the combination of sexual effluvia and their
consumption or retainment to the roof of the mouth. generally this
notion is not known or presumed about the OTO that I've noticed,
even if it may be "out of the bag" and may indeed be practiced by
its membership as orgia.
#> i do point out also that AC came to the OTO because he already
#> knew and had published the secret(y-on)s --
so goes the story between him and Reuss, yes. Lies chapter 36? 69?
#> hell, he even sold em as pills later in life, no?
I've heard that. it would have been in the fine tradition of
PBRandolph whom Crowley copied but to whom he GAVE NO CREDIT.
#> this is a new aeon, my friend, the old notions of secrecy no
#> longer apply -- looking ahead, i envisage a time when the
#> practicants of Crowleyanity (c-oto-anality) are the only
#> ones who still ignore the open present of said secrets... :-(
why does the New AEon (TM!) require openness, if so? why did the
Old AEon (post-TM?!) require or reward such secrecy?
# Yes, to echo Rev Rob, it is clearly a matter of order membership,
when speaking about internal (c)OTO magical pursuits, assuredly.
# oath and obligation.
the officials of (c)OTO have made clear their interests in
dominating member behaviour through threat of expulsion
for violating what they regard as oaths of secrecy. we ought
consider carefully whether this structure and method is
actually reflective of Thelemic values and principles.
# It is not going to given by OTO in published works,
what "it" refers to here is apparently important to the
contention you are espousing. in fact there are those who
maintain that published works contain even internal order
secrets BUT NOT IDENTIFIED AS SUCH. I've encountered this
sort of half-blind before in covens where traditional and
secret riteforms were demonstrated and "not stipulated as
the traditional riteform of the line" but implication
throughout was that they were legitimate and differed
very little from what they were prohibited by oaths
from revealing unto the vulgar.
# nor by anyone else thereby without due legal challenge.
maybe not as such by such people. however, anybody who
wants to can claim to know them and provide them to us right
here and no (c)OTO will put a stop to it otherwise than by
issuing a threat to the provider to desist or be expelled.
# This is because, were it to be given in this manor,
# it would not confer order membership, oath or obligation.
# What could be simpler than that?
that is irrational, depending again to what "it" refers.
sure, internal incentive items for (c)OTO are private,
and conveying them doesn't convey upon the receiver the
status within the organization. that doesn't mean it can
NOT be conveyed, if it is information, or may be spoken
of by typing or speaking.
# As for the new aeon not being one in which secrets are
# given and kept,
misunderstood. the idea is that they are no longer needed.
fidelity is likely to be of longstanding import.
# this is as foolish as the widespread misunderstanding
# that this is to be an age of peace and not of war. I
# am curious as to where you get this notion about an
# absence of secrecy in this new aeon.
revealed unto the prophets of the New AEon, obviously.
# Certainly not from Liber AL?
that Evul Book was put out of its misery long ago when
the Black Brother edited it to proper proportions,
showing precisely what ought be done with such travesties.
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