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Re: Facts and Faiths

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  • J. Karlin
    ... evidence is something one examines. Anything could be evidence---of something. proof on the other hand is something one determines about the meaning
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 30, 2004
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      --- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Jones"
      <drjones@u...> wrote:

      > Evidence not proof---

      "evidence" is something one examines. Anything could
      be evidence---of something. "proof" on the other hand is
      something one determines about the meaning and value of the
      evidence. Now, in looking over the threads concerning the events
      that took place, or not, in Cairo 100 years ago, many here seem
      interested in establishing that something has been proved, or
      that something is immune from proof, but few seem much
      concerned with figuring out what would constitute pertinent
      evidence with respect to their concerns.

      What can you honestly say you know, for a fact, about the
      Thelemic creation myth?

      Do you know, for a fact, that Aleister and Rose were in Cairo,
      Egypt on April 8-10, 1904? And if KNOW this, how do you know
      it? What is your evidence?

      Do you know, for a fact, that Aleister and Rose went to the Cairo
      Museum (which is the only one they could have gone to in 1904
      in order to see the Stele of Revealing) and that Rose identified
      Horus on the Stele and that it was numbered 666?

      Do you know, for a fact, that the Stele text was translated into
      French, and that the god names translated actually appeared on
      the Stele of Revealing?

      Do you know, for a fact, that an entity named Aiwass appeared to
      Crowley in Cairo on April 8-10, 1904 and dictated LIber AL to
      him?

      Or, is it instead the case that you believe a lot of things that you
      have never seriously questioned because you just figured
      people who claimed them wouldn't lie to you?

      Further, if you would say that the facts---stupid old things---have
      no bearing upon your beliefs, what particularly about the myth, if
      anything at all, inspires you in your faith? Or is it simply that you
      find Liber AL's text, and presumably Crowley's commentary, so
      compelling as a statement of something worthy of your
      unquestioning belief?

      With respect to the claims of the myth, even ones maintained by
      people today in orders such as (C)OTO, do you not question, at
      least sometimes, that you are being had?

      > In any case Crowley should or would have known
      > the distinction.

      Crowley would have known, and did know, a great many things.
      That doesn't mean he wasn't lazy, arrogant, patronizing (as in
      who the hell needs to learn the Egyptian's NEW name for the
      museum when the one all Brits know works perfectly well), and
      also to a large extent he was monomanical---thus a bit
      distracted when it came to reporting what must have seemed to
      him extraneous details.

      The facts are that Crowley certainly meant the Cairo Museum,
      and he certainly meant that he and Rose went to that museum,
      whether they did or not. That he repeatedly called it Bulaq is
      really not that interesting or pertinent. There are other issues and
      other names which are much more troubling, or should be, to
      the faithful.

      (jk)
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      http://jktarot.com
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