- Care Circulus, Alamantra quoted Therion s wicked book: Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thou shalt find new symbols to attributeMessage 1 of 7 , Feb 8, 2004View SourceCare Circulus,
Alamantra quoted Therion's wicked book:
"Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thou shalt
find new symbols to attribute them unto."
"Let's look at it:
The first thing that I notice is 'THE order & value' rather than 'AN order &
value.' ...This implies two things: A. That there is only ONE particular
value that is being referred to"
and he continues with a marvelous exegesis.....
There is one problem here. The first thing I notice is the word "thou".
This order explicity given by Aiwass to AC and those who choose to read and
follow this scribbled book is explicity given to each individual reader in
the broadest reading, and quite possibly to AC in the most strict
interpretation. "Thou shalt obtain" is a singular order. Thou refers to the
individual. In this context, it could very well be AC or possibly each
reader is fated to do this.
There is no encouragement to impose this discovery on others. Why are so
many compelled to do so?
Agape Aiwass Thelema
- ... Hi John and all: That is indeed a worthy observation. My problems with the passage begin with a pretext that some reincarnated Egyptian priest has aMessage 2 of 7 , Feb 8, 2004View SourceJohn Bonanno wrote:
> There is one problem here. The first thing I notice is the word "thou".Hi John and all:
> This order explicitly given by Aiwass to AC and those who choose to read and
> follow this scribbled book is explicitly given to each individual reader in
> the broadest reading, and quite possibly to AC in the most strict
> interpretation. "Thou shalt obtain" is a singular order. Thou refers to the
> individual. In this context, it could very well be AC or possibly each
> reader is fated to do this.
> There is no encouragement to impose this discovery on others. Why are so
> many compelled to do so?
That is indeed a worthy observation. My problems with the passage begin with
a pretext that some reincarnated Egyptian priest has a penchant for the
english of King James... "Thou shalt" comes straight out of the Ten
Commandments with Charleton Heston starring as "the prophet" ...and the
voice of Gregory Peck ...as the voice of Aiwass: "Don't bring anyone up on
the mountain or I'll have my vengeance..." ...Yawn.
But it is what it is, and I would have to acknowledge that even with the
Ten Commandments that the "Thou shalt" is applied to the group being
addressed, in fact, it was meant to address the Jewish nation, or so we have
been told: Exodus 19:25 : "So Moses went down to the people and told them
I reject the idea that The Book of the Law should unquestionably be
regarded, in its best possible light, as yet another Holy Book ...the very
word of the Supreme Manifestor of the Universe, given to poor ol' pitiful
"us" from some entity other than the known author. I don't think this
opinion detracts from its aesthetic value in the least ...In fact it gives
it a real value, as opposed to that common value heaped upon holy book after
holy book throughout mankind's miserable history; as tinder to cremate the
adherents to these various so-called 'religions.'
This isn't to say that it is devoid of a 'mystical' (for lack of a better
term) value. In fact, it is on a par, and perhaps surpasses, Finnegan's
Wake, though this is debatable. If nothing else, it came before Finnegan's
Wake and is a high water mark of the Symbolist school, and perhaps even
marks the transition of the Fin-de-cicle to the Modernist school.
The Book of the Law is a synthesis of various ideas that can be found
elsewhere: "The word of sin is restriction" sounds remarkably like Emerson's
" The only sin is limitation," from his essay "Circles." Al II:3 resonates
with another passage of Emerson's from the same essay:
"St. Augustine described the nature of God as a circle whose centre was
everywhere and its circumference nowhere. We are all our lifetime
reading the copious sense of this first of forms. One moral we have already
deduced, in considering the circular or compensatory character of every
human action. Another analogy we shall now trace, that every action admits
of being outdone. Our life is an apprenticeship to the truth that around
every circle another can be drawn; that there is no end in nature, but every
end is a beginning; that there is always another dawn risen on mid-noon, and
under every deep a lower deep opens.
This fact, as far as it symbolizes the moral fact of the Unattainable, the
flying Perfect, around which the hands of man can never meet, at once the
inspirer and the condemner of every success, may conveniently serve us to
connect many illustrations of human power in every department.
There are no fixtures in nature. The universe is fluid and volatile.
Permanence is but a word of degrees. Our globe seen by God is a transparent
law, not a mass of facts."
Here is another example:
AL I:26: "Then saith the prophet and slave of the beauteous one: Who am I,
and what shall be the sign? So she answered him, bending down, a lambent
flame of blue, all-touching, all penetrant, her lovely hands upon the black
earth, & her lithe body arched for love, and her soft feet not hurting the
little flowers: Thou knowest! And the sign shall be my ecstasy, the
consciousness of the continuity of existence, the omnipresence of my body."
with this from the Introductory to Madam Blavatsky's "Secret
Doctrine" p24 of the 1921 edition:
"...The most ancient Hebrew document on occult learning--- the Siprah
Dzenioula-- was compiled from it, and that at a time when the for was
already considered in the light of a literary relic. One of the
illustrations represents the Divine Essence emanating from ADAM* like a
luminous arc proceeding to form a circle; and then having attained the
highest point of its circumference, the ineffable Glory bends back again,
and returns to earth, bringing a higher type of humanity in its vortex. As
it approaches nearer and nearer to our planet, the Emanation becomes more
and more shadowy, until upon touching the ground it is as black as night."
*The name is used in the sense of the Greek word "anthropod"
Crowley's passage seems to be a poetic interpretation of the same idea IMO.
..."Black as night" referring directly back to Nuit.
The bottom line is that CROWLEY was using a particular language to address a
particular audience ...mainly those who had been involved with mystical
schools such as the Golden Dawn and the Theosophical Society. In this he
wove his love of poetry, especially elements of the Symbolist school which
had been flourishing mainly in France, but also in England. There is little
doubt that he was familiar with the work of those like Enoch Soames:
"Vernier, who among other epithets refers to Soames as a "lanky, disheveled
demonologist," also shows that the English poet came to the Black Arts by
way of a more benign occultist, the Sår Péladan." From Enoch's Castle by
...To Crowley's comment about Yeats:
"There was one literary light, W.B. Yeats, a lank disheveled
demonologist..." Confessions p177
So this tendency of Crowley's to use a particular stylistic language to
address a particular crowd are clear enough, but if we look through all of
the hooplah, the general message is there, and it stretches from before
Crowley, through him, and on through others all of the way to us.
[333 painter's carats (">") to JB's quote]
- ... 93 Alamantra, Or was it that Charleton Heston derived his performance from the energies of the New Aeon? Hollywood s fascination with Bible epics wasMessage 3 of 7 , Feb 9, 2004View Source--- In email@example.com, "Alamantra" <alamantra@g...>
> ...some reincarnated Egyptian priest has a penchant for the93 Alamantra,
> english of King James... "Thou shalt" comes straight out of the Ten
> Commandments with Charleton Heston starring as "the prophet"
Or was it that Charleton Heston derived his performance from the
energies of the New Aeon? Hollywood's fascination with Bible epics
was mostly an effort to capture images of dancing sinners in
lascivious delights. Was Aiwass or agents like him, the force behind
both the King James Bible and the Hollywood production of Ten
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
P.S. My favorite answer is that is that funky ass chicken with the
mans face that rolled around here crowing at midnight and laid a
shiny black egg.
- [reformatted for readability, please standardize quotation to carats] ... Unless the system is universal. You mention variables, but fail to recognizeMessage 4 of 7 , Feb 10, 2004View Source[reformatted for readability, please standardize quotation to carats]
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Alamantra" <alamantra@g...>
> "Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thouUnless the system is universal. You mention variables, but fail to
> shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto."
> This is one of the more debated passages of the Book of the Law and
> certainly one that seems to be the most speculative. For some reason,
> there is a group of people that insist that this only alludes to some
> type of gematria ...and usually, THEIR individual interpretation.
> Let us consider that at this point in the Book, we have already
> been told that EVERY NUMBER IS INFINITE ...and that THERE IS NO
> DIFFERENCE. I think that before we go assigning a numerical value we
> should contemplate what it means to say that every number is
> infinite. A number is not the same thing as a numeral.
> When one assigns a numeric value to a letter, what they are
> essentially doing is saying "Let X =" and "Let Y =" and so on. It is
> a matter of elementary algebra. As long as the self-created,
> internally defined system is used consistently, it will produce
> consistent results WITHIN THAT SYSTEM.
recognize constants/universals. Simply said: A triangle by any other
name is still a triangle, regardless of language or culture. It will
still contain and exhibit the same properties.
And to exploit the triangle to its fullest, you will arrive at a base
10 system, yes? hee-hee.
> The idea behind Value is where it begins to get tricky. There areLinguistics & Mathematics concern data, and the assimilation,
> numerous different concepts signified by the word "value" depending
> upon the subject one is addressing. For instance, "Value" has a
> different meaning when applied to mathematics then it does when
> applied to linguistics. ..And yet the subject under consideration in
> the passage is the "English Alphabet" itself. I would think that, in
> this case, one would prefer the linguistic definition over the
> mathematical, and failing that, a more general definition ...which
> would tend to give the passage itself a more universal character.
> Value: Linguistics. The sound quality of a letter or diphthong
> Mathematics. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity.
manipulation, & dissemination of such. Where is the difference? You
impose limitations where none need exist. Why should not "3" have a
value of 3, but also imply unknown/infinity/multiplicity, be a system
of thoughT, a culture, have a sound, a color...?
> The bottom line though, is that the VALUE ofExactly. What if "A" has the value of 1, the word "alpha", a sound,
> something ...Anything, ...be it a number or a letter or any other
> symbol whatsoever is in its ability to transmit INFORMATION,
a color, and its symbol? How would this be possible? Well, what if
within that symbol "A" is encoded this information? One would only
need to map the properties/inherent value (by using universally
available materials/resources: basic geometry.) From such, one would
arrive at its word, sound, etc. And, further, the building blocks
for the rest of the language: meaning "B" & "T" and so on could be
fabricated as well...much akin to a
Now, Ionic Greek or Hebrew is not capable of this...but, perhaps, at
one time, it was based upon such a concept or borrowed from such a
What if all the information of the world can be encoded within one
symbol? Do you think Ionic Greek is a result of the swastika?
Within the swastika, much information is encoded. If one can draw
points & lines, and count on your fingers, then one can start to read
Through one symbol, one can create a language, a culture, an empire...
Liber aL states as much. I'm fond of the book because it is a cheat-
sheet to universalism/universality. If you want to know the
universe, consult the universe...but Liber aL fits in your back
pocket; I haven't found another "Universalism for Dummies" that can
...Liber aL dictates to translate the text into "all tongues"..."for
init is the word, and not only in the English."
Why, and how is that possible?
That brings you to the 'stele of revealing', a picture, which is
composed from the book itself.
Has anyone gotten that far? I was hoping some Liber aL adepts would
be lurking here.............oh well.
- 93, Here is a great paragraph written in the latest Thelema Lodge Calendar. The article is a basic over view of the Star Ruby. This particular insight in toMessage 5 of 7 , Feb 10, 2004View Source93,
Here is a great paragraph written in the latest Thelema Lodge
Calendar. The article is a basic over view of the Star Ruby. This
particular insight in to the Sign of Silence is particulary good.
Thelema Lodge Calendar for February 2004 e.v.
From the Center of Silence
The ritual opens with the establishment of the divine form of Hoor-
paar- kraat in the operator, as he assumes the Sign of Silence. The
successful establishment of this form and condition of consciousness
is central to the remainder of the ritual, for it establishes within
the magician the center of authority within as the "still, silent
self" of the Divine Child Harpocrates, a symbol of the Holy Guardian
Angel that is effectively known and experienced as the True Will.
From this center of Silence, the calm depths of true power, lying
timeless in eternity, we now move into action.
-Brother Gregory Peters
- 93, The Palace of the World (a portion) For secret symbols on my brow, and secret thoughts within, Compel eternity to Now. Draw the infinite within. Light isMessage 6 of 7 , Feb 10, 2004View Source93,
The Palace of the World (a portion)
For secret symbols on my brow,
and secret thoughts within,
Compel eternity to Now.
Draw the infinite within.
Light is extended. I and Thou
are as they had not been.
So on my head the light is one,
A star more splendid that the sun
Burns for my crowned crest;
Burns, as the murmuring orison
of waters in the west.
The Star Ruby
Advance to the East. Imagine strongly a Pentagram aright, in thy
forehead. Drawing the hands to the eyes, fling it forth, making the
sign of Horus,...Retire thine hand in the sign of Hoor pa kraat.
The pentagram in the forehead of Baphomet
If you need a reminder
It is simple but it is important to build up the pentagram on the
forehead for use with New Aeon pentagram rituals. I believe that The
Palace of the World is a sexual pentagram rite that is performed
silently and in the mind of the magician during dawn conjugation. The
secret symbols upon the brow is the pentagram, just like Baphomet.
This symbolism of the pentagram on the forehead is developed in The
Star Ruby. The magician in coitus is the Baphomet and the
visualization of the Star more splendid that the Sun upon the
forehead by the magician completes the assumption of the god form.
There are a few little weak strands of logic that back this up.
First is that in the Star Ruby Pan is invoked. Pan and Baphomet can
be sync'd, but it is a bit sloppy. The second is the fifth line
of "Palace" where "Day springs, with footsteps as a fawn". The fawn
sets the stage for the development into Pan/ Baphomet.
The visualization of the pentagram in the forehead is very crucial
to successful use of the New Aeon rituals like The Star Ruby and The
Palace of the World.
One last note about this pentagram is that its sound is also to be
heard. "Burns, as the murmuring orison of waters in the west". To my
imagination this implies that the fires of the Star hiss and surge
like the waves of the ocean and implies perhaps that it is emitting
waves of light that surge and hiss like the waters in the west.