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  • cameron
    Does anyone have any information on Hitler s connection to Thelema, other than what can be found in in Magick Without Tears? Does anyone know if there even is
    Message 1 of 16 , Apr 22 10:30 PM
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      Does anyone have any information on Hitler's connection to Thelema, other
      than what can be found in in Magick Without Tears? Does anyone know if
      there even is a documented connection outside of it? Maybe documents from
      Soror I.W.E.?

      --
      Cameron
    • str2711@bluefrognet.net
      ... although i haven t read Magick Without Tears , and i can t recall exactly where the information came from, i think there is more of a connection to
      Message 2 of 16 , Apr 23 2:16 PM
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        Quoting cameron <cbailes@...>:

        > Does anyone have any information on Hitler's connection to Thelema,
        > other
        > than what can be found in in Magick Without Tears?

        although i haven't read "Magick Without Tears", and i can't recall exactly
        where the information came from, i think there is more of a connection to
        theosophy, per se. i seem to have it in my head that hitler was a fan of
        blavatsky.
        if no one replies with more definite onfo soon, i'll pass it around the b.n.
        study group and see what pops up.




        *love is a verb. not what one may feel, but what one does*
      • Touch Ecstasy
        93 Have you read Pauwel s and Bergier s _Morning of the Magicians_, also published under the alternate title _The Dawn of Magic_? The authors compare the
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          93

          Have you read Pauwel's and Bergier's _Morning of the Magicians_, also
          published under the alternate title _The Dawn of Magic_?

          The authors compare the descriptions of Mathers' self-described encounters
          with the Secret Chiefs, and some of Hitler's ravings about the "New Man". As
          well, the mythology driving the Third Reich is gone into in length (some of
          which certainly overlaps Die Goldene Dammerung) - the main point being that
          such archetypal forces (ie. Ra Hoor Khuit) continue to boil just beneath the
          surface of our supposed "civilization," and we've never really acknowledged
          the role these forces played in "the War to end all Wars" (snigger).

          93/93

          BNE1
        • Eric Shatto
          ... Thelema, other ... know if ... documents from ... Lawrence Sutin s bio of Crowley deals with this. From what I remember, Crowley attempted to get a copy of
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            --- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, cameron <cbailes@s...> wrote:
            > Does anyone have any information on Hitler's connection to
            Thelema, other
            > than what can be found in in Magick Without Tears? Does anyone
            know if
            > there even is a documented connection outside of it? Maybe
            documents from
            > Soror I.W.E.?
            >
            > --
            > Cameron

            Lawrence Sutin's bio of Crowley deals with this.

            From what I remember, Crowley attempted to get a copy of The Book of
            the Law into Hitler's hands, but he didn't succeed.

            Interestingly, I read a recent issue of The Atlantic Monthly that
            had an article with an in-depth study of Hitler's library.

            From that article, he was interested in mostly hack stuff, like
            Nostradomus, militaristic Nordic cult revivals, etc (it seems most
            of the inner circle of Hitler's leadership were members of Nordic
            revival cults at one time or another).
          • pedicabo_ego
            ... Thelema, ... No, there were no real connection between A.C. and Hitler. There isn t even any evidencefor any contact between Hitler and Kuentzel. The
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              > Quoting cameron <cbailes@s...>:
              > > Does anyone have any information on Hitler's connection to
              Thelema,
              > > other
              > > than what can be found in in Magick Without Tears?

              No, there were no real connection between A.C. and Hitler. There
              isn't even any evidencefor any contact between Hitler and Kuentzel.
              The correspondence between A.C. and Kuentzel reveals that she sent
              Hitler a copy of the Book of the Law, but it is unlikely that this
              ever reached the eyes of Hitler, and it was sent long after Hitler
              had worked out the basics in his program. So in short it is unlikely
              that A.C. ever had any effect or received any warm welcome in the
              halls of Hitler.

              Hitler however did receive applause for some of his ideas with A.C.,
              which is witnessed in his ecstatic annotations in his copy of Hitler
              Speaks, which A.C. also refers to in MWT. There is however one
              consistent criticism, which also A.C. raises in his correspondence
              with Kuentzel, and that is Hitler's obsession with the race question.
              A.C. often substitutes "the german people" with "thelemites" in his
              annotated copy of Hitler Speaks, and constantly stresses the point
              that the uebermensch so to speak is not tied to any race. In fact as
              he stresses in his correspondence with Kuentzel, he believes the
              german people to be vastly inferior to the jewish people.

              What he does enthusiastically agree with however, is the culling
              programs of the weak and how the strong shall rejuvenate the world
              and culture.

              All best,
              K
            • Julianus
              93! ... While Hitler Speaks was widely believed in at the time, I understand most modern historians regard that book as mostly a hoax. ... Indeed. Can
              Message 6 of 16 , Apr 28 11:36 AM
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                93!

                pedicabo_ego wrote:

                > Hitler however did receive applause for some of his ideas with A.C.,
                > which is witnessed in his ecstatic annotations in his copy of Hitler
                > Speaks, which A.C. also refers to in MWT.

                While 'Hitler Speaks' was widely believed in at the time, I understand
                most modern historians regard that book as mostly a hoax.

                > There is however one
                > consistent criticism, which also A.C. raises in his correspondence
                > with Kuentzel, and that is Hitler's obsession with the race question.
                > A.C. often substitutes "the german people" with "thelemites" in his
                > annotated copy of Hitler Speaks, and constantly stresses the point
                > that the uebermensch so to speak is not tied to any race.

                Indeed. Can anybody remember Crowley ever mentioning the 'Aryan race' in
                his writings at all? Or obsessing about 'racial degeneration' and
                'miscegenation'? Actual Ariosophical writings are devoted almost
                entirely to those themes.

                > In fact as
                > he stresses in his correspondence with Kuentzel, he believes the
                > german people to be vastly inferior to the jewish people.

                Those letters are supposed to be in the next Magical Link.

                93 93/93!

                -- Julianus


                “Nothing on the face of this earth -- and I do mean nothing --
                is half so dangerous as a children’s story that happens to be
                real, and you and I are wandering blindfolded through a myth
                devised by a maniac.”
                -- Master Li Kao (T’ang Dynasty)

                *** John’s Creeping Homepage of Doom ***
                http://www.kiva.net/~julianus/main.html
              • cameron
                ... Thanks. I suppose the only thing MWT indicates is that Soror I.W.E. had at least attempted to contact him. Although Crowley s recomendation that he adopt
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                  >No, there were no real connection between A.C. and Hitler. There
                  >isn't even any evidencefor any contact between Hitler and Kuentzel.
                  >The correspondence between A.C. and Kuentzel reveals that she sent
                  >Hitler a copy of the Book of the Law, but it is unlikely that this
                  >ever reached the eyes of Hitler, and it was sent long after Hitler
                  >had worked out the basics in his program. So in short it is unlikely
                  >that A.C. ever had any effect or received any warm welcome in the
                  >halls of Hitler.

                  Thanks. I suppose the only thing MWT indicates is that Soror I.W.E. had at
                  least attempted to contact him. Although Crowley's recomendation that he
                  adopt the proper balancing regime may imply that there was real activity
                  going on, or that he (and perhaps Soror I.W.E.) was lead to belive there was.
                  If there is even the remotest possible connection between Hitler and the
                  BOTL, I'd like to know, if only to know he may have been affected by it and
                  maybe add him to the list of failed magickal children.

                  --
                  Cameron
                • Kjetil Fjell
                  ... A.C. s recommendation of a balancing regime was due to Hitler s obsession with the race question, which A.C. showed no sympathy for in his correspondence
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                    Sitat cameron <cbailes@...>:
                    > Thanks. I suppose the only thing MWT indicates is that Soror I.W.E.
                    > had at least attempted to contact him. Although Crowley's
                    > recomendation that he adopt the proper balancing regime may imply that
                    > there was real activity going on, or that he (and perhaps Soror
                    > I.W.E.) was lead to belive there was.

                    A.C.'s recommendation of a balancing regime was due to Hitler's obsession
                    with the race question, which A.C. showed no sympathy for in his
                    correspondence with Kuentzel. A.C.'s correspondence shows abundant of
                    discussion of the flaws and merits of Adolf Hitler, but nothing in it
                    would indicate that there were any real connection beyond M.K.'s attempt
                    at sending Hitler a german copy of the Book of the Law and M.K. regarding
                    Hitler as her magical son. A.C. seems for the most part negative towards
                    the idea, though he of course enthusiastically support those ideas Hitler
                    had inherited from the conservative revolution in and around germany in
                    the intermediate waryears. Those ideas agree surprisingly much with the
                    ideas A.C. would promulgate.

                    There has been a very interesting discussion on this movement at the
                    following place: <http://www.livejournal.com/users/keith418>.

                    > If there is even the remotest possible connection between Hitler and
                    > the BOTL, I'd like to know, if only to know he may have been affected
                    > by it and maybe add him to the list of failed magickal children.

                    A.C. did regard Hitler Speaks as evidence for Hitler having read and
                    misunderstood the Book of the Law. However there is little possibility
                    that the Book of the Law ever reached the eyes of Hitler. The ideas he
                    espoused which agreed with the Book of the Law, have a much more
                    plausible origin in the conservative revolution.

                    As discussed in the Lawrence Sutin biography of A.C., and to some extent
                    commented upon bby RIKB as well, what A.C. seemed to admire in Hitler was
                    his manliness, i.e. his strong resolve and emphasis on will to power. He
                    admired Stalin for much the same reason.

                    All best,

                    K
                  • cameron
                    ... I wouldn t doubt it. I see ideas that agree with the Book of the Law everywhere. As to Hitler Speaks, the only info I have been able to find on it being
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                      On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:56:26AM +0200, Kjetil Fjell wrote:
                      > > If there is even the remotest possible connection between Hitler and
                      > > the BOTL, I'd like to know, if only to know he may have been affected
                      > > by it and maybe add him to the list of failed magickal children.
                      >
                      > A.C. did regard Hitler Speaks as evidence for Hitler having read and
                      > misunderstood the Book of the Law. However there is little possibility
                      > that the Book of the Law ever reached the eyes of Hitler. The ideas he
                      > espoused which agreed with the Book of the Law, have a much more
                      > plausible origin in the conservative revolution.

                      I wouldn't doubt it. I see ideas that agree with the Book of the Law
                      everywhere. As to Hitler Speaks, the only info I have been able to find
                      on it being a hoax is from the Institute for Historical Review which is
                      devoted to historical revisionism.

                      > As discussed in the Lawrence Sutin biography of A.C., and to some extent
                      > commented upon bby RIKB as well, what A.C. seemed to admire in Hitler was
                      > his manliness, i.e. his strong resolve and emphasis on will to power. He
                      > admired Stalin for much the same reason.

                      Well, I think Crowley's disgust with Hitler is evident, but I certainly
                      don't think it is unusual of him to have an admiration for "noble" tyranny
                      (noble in appearence, at least.) In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the
                      least if Crowley was politically oriented towards an imperium. Apparently
                      Churchill had even said that if he were an Italian, he would be a Fascist.
                      Apparently even Wittgenstein was aligned with the radical right in Austria
                      and saw National Socialism as an illegitimate aberration of the
                      conservative forces there.

                      --
                      Cameron
                    • Catherine Yronwode
                      ... Crowley believed Indian men should not be allowed to go to England for schooling because they would then try to have sex with white women. He also said
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                        Julianus wrote:
                        >
                        > Can anybody remember Crowley ever mentioning the 'Aryan race' in
                        > his writings at all? Or obsessing about 'racial degeneration' and
                        > 'miscegenation'? Actual Ariosophical writings are devoted almost
                        > entirely to those themes.

                        Crowley believed Indian men should not be allowed to go to England for
                        schooling because they would then try to have sex with "white women."
                        He also said that the people of Egypt suffered from "admixture of
                        blood" -- that is, he believed that their multiracialism made them not
                        as nice as the "pure-blooded" people to whom he was comparing them.
                        Both of these examples would seem to indicate that he was against
                        races intermarrying, in the belief that the offspring would be
                        "inferior." In my opinion, these samples (and others) meet your
                        qualifications for "obsessing about 'racial degeneration' and 'miscegenation'."

                        Actual quotes from Crowley on race matters are cited at
                        http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/crowleyracistfaq.html

                        cat yronwode
                      • Kjetil Fjell
                        ... Well whatever is the truth about Hitler Speaks, it is clear that A.C. was enthusiastic about the book. His own copy of it is carefully annotated. As an
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                          Sitat cameron <cbailes@...>:
                          > I wouldn't doubt it. I see ideas that agree with the Book of the Law
                          > everywhere. As to Hitler Speaks, the only info I have been able to
                          > find on it being a hoax is from the Institute for Historical Review
                          > which is devoted to historical revisionism.

                          Well whatever is the truth about Hitler Speaks, it is clear that A.C. was
                          enthusiastic about the book. His own copy of it is carefully annotated.

                          As an aside A.C. liked particularly the chapter on the antichrist ;)

                          > Well, I think Crowley's disgust with Hitler is evident, but I
                          > certainly don't think it is unusual of him to have an admiration
                          > for "noble" tyranny (noble in appearence, at least.)

                          I think A.C. admired the strongwilled man who managed to manifest his
                          will, hence his admiration for such diverse characters as Hitler and
                          Stalin.

                          As for Chuirchill and fascism, it wouldn't surprise me. As an aside over
                          15 years later A.C. still had much positive to say about Mussolini. He
                          thought Mussolini went downhill when M. went into league with the
                          catholic church. What happened then, or so A.C. thought, the Catholic
                          Church's insistance on the meek and the weak corrupted the reign of
                          Mussolini :)

                          All best,

                          K
                        • Julianus
                          93! ... That remark was part of his suggestions for securing a permanent British domination of India through maintaining native awe of the Colonial
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                            93!

                            Catherine Yronwode wrote:

                            > Crowley believed Indian men should not be allowed to go to England for
                            > schooling because they would then try to have sex with "white women."

                            That remark was part of his suggestions for securing a permanent British
                            domination of India through maintaining native awe of the Colonial administration.

                            > He also said that the people of Egypt suffered from "admixture of
                            > blood" -- that is, he believed that their multiracialism made them not
                            > as nice as the "pure-blooded" people to whom he was comparing them.
                            > Both of these examples would seem to indicate that he was against
                            > races intermarrying, in the belief that the offspring would be
                            > "inferior." In my opinion, these samples (and others) meet your
                            > qualifications for "obsessing about 'racial degeneration' and 'miscegenation'."

                            You forget to mention his fictionalised version of Ananda K.
                            Coomaraswami in one Simon Iff story.

                            >
                            > Actual quotes from Crowley on race matters are cited at
                            > http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/crowleyracistfaq.html

                            On the other hand, from Confessions, Cap. 54:

                            'I am not a snob or puritan, but Eurasians do get on my nerves. I do not
                            believe that their universally admitted baseness is due to a mixture of
                            blood or the presumable peculiarity of their parents; but that they
                            forced into vileness by the attitude of both their white and coloured neighbors.
                            [you quote *only* the following section of this paragraph on your racist
                            FAQ page:] A similar case is presented by the Jew, who really does only
                            too often possess the bad qualities for which he is disliked; but they
                            are not proper to his race. [you then omit the following sentences:] No
                            people can show finer specimens of humanity. The Hebrew poets and
                            prophets are sublime. The Jewish soldier is courageous, the Jewish rich
                            man generous. The race possesses imagination, romance, loyalty, probity
                            and humanity to an exceptional degree.'

                            You also leave out the paragraph immediately following:

                            'But the Jew has been persecuted so relentlessly that his survival has
                            depended on the development of his worst qualities; avarice, servility,
                            falseness, cunning and the rest. Even the highest-class Eurasians such
                            as Ananda Koomaraswami suffer acutely from the shame of being considered
                            outcast. The irrationality and injustice of their neighbors heightens
                            the feeling and it breeds the very abominations which the snobbish
                            inhumanity of their fellow-men expects of them.'

                            In other words, Crowley regarded mixed-race people as victims of
                            prejudice from *both* sides, and that this warps their characters
                            accordingly. He repeats this argument in the very next chapter, where he
                            also praises Litton, the British Consul at Tengyueh, his Chinese wife
                            ('an exceedingly beautiful woman with perfect manners,') and their five
                            'charming children.' Such sentiments would *never* be found in actual
                            Ariosophical texts, which emphasize the total primacy of heredity over
                            environment, and that *any* person of mixed blood is inherently warped
                            and inferior beyond any possible remedy. Ariosophy was (and is) almost
                            totally concerned with preserving the 'purity' of the 'Aryan race'
                            against any kind of mixture with 'inferior races.' That is what I mean
                            by 'obsessing about "racial degeneration" and "miscegenation".' It is
                            obvious that Crowley's views on race do not follow modern standards,
                            however it is only just to acknowledge that his views were nowhere
                            nearly as objectionable as some. Crowley's views are also rather more
                            complex than you yourself indicate.

                            93 93/93!

                            -- Julianus


                            “Nothing on the face of this earth -- and I do mean nothing --
                            is half so dangerous as a children’s story that happens to be
                            real, and you and I are wandering blindfolded through a myth
                            devised by a maniac.”
                            -- Master Li Kao (T’ang Dynasty)

                            *** John’s Creeping Homepage of Doom ***
                            http://www.kiva.net/~julianus/main.html
                          • Kjetil Fjell
                            ... Add to that the fact that A.C. wrote to Martha Kuentzel that Hitler s whole obsession with the aryan race was his biggest flaw, even going so far as to add
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                              Sitat Julianus <julianus@...>:
                              > Such sentiments would *never* be found in actual
                              > Ariosophical texts, which emphasize the total primacy of heredity over
                              > environment, and that *any* person of mixed blood is inherently warped
                              > and inferior beyond any possible remedy. Ariosophy was (and is) almost
                              > totally concerned with preserving the 'purity' of the 'Aryan race'
                              > against any kind of mixture with 'inferior races.'

                              Add to that the fact that A.C. wrote to Martha Kuentzel that Hitler's
                              whole obsession with the aryan race was his biggest flaw, even going so
                              far as to add that the jewish race was in many ways superior to the
                              german people (i.e. the aryans).

                              To claim A.C. was some sort of Ariosophists is as you point out missing
                              the point entirely.

                              I also wonder why noone has bothered to quote the passages from Simon Iff
                              where A.C. is racist against the scandinavians :)

                              Good post!

                              All best,

                              K
                            • Kjetil Fjell
                              ... Small wonder as there are no passages in Simon Iff. There are however in Roger Bloxxam :) Sorry for the flawed info. K
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                                Sitat Kjetil Fjell <aba@...>:
                                > I also wonder why noone has bothered to quote the passages from Simon
                                > Iff where A.C. is racist against the scandinavians :)

                                Small wonder as there are no passages in Simon Iff. There are however in
                                Roger Bloxxam :)

                                Sorry for the flawed info.

                                K
                              • Arild
                                This is the specific subject matter of the late Gerald Suster s book Hitler and the Age of Horus (1981). I haven t read it for about 20 years, so I can t
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                                  This is the specific subject matter of the late Gerald Suster's book "Hitler
                                  and the Age of Horus" (1981). I haven't read it for about 20 years, so I
                                  can't vouch for its quality.

                                  --- Arikld
                                • childofcain93@aol.com
                                  Dear Friends on T-93, 93 A real fairly intersting topic this Crowley/Hitler Myth discussion and I attendet lots of discussions about it in our Lodge here in
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                                    Dear Friends on T-93,

                                    93

                                    A real fairly intersting topic this Crowley/Hitler "Myth" discussion and I
                                    attendet lots of discussions about it in our Lodge here in Berlin (!), for
                                    you can imagine, that a possible Thelema and NS-relation could just be a very
                                    controversial thing here in Germany.
                                    I resasearched some years ago already in several Archives about any
                                    historical valuable and serious documents that could posssibly deal with
                                    Thelema/NS and my conclusions are in a way more disappointing in historical
                                    regards, but much more satisfactory
                                    for myself as a complete anti-totalitarian Thelemite.
                                    Crowley was surley "fascinatet" by some aspects of NS but this is more to
                                    regard in his interest in extreme changes in the world in general and of
                                    course in considering actual analysis of Liber CCXX.
                                    Crowleys "Übermensch"-attitudes were nothing much unusual in intellectual
                                    bohemia circles in his days. F. Nietzsche was discussed and adored by many
                                    artists and writers who would belong much more to the "left-wing" parts of
                                    society and they were never to be connected in any way with Hitlers and ideas
                                    or those of his bloody posse. Imagine Henry Miller supporting Hitler or even
                                    earlier DADA-Movement artists like Walter Serner who once said:" Today in the
                                    world for me is nothing to read beside "Nietzsche and Max Stirner". This
                                    great Man that has even a very comparable style & habitus in his literature
                                    as Crolweys, starved to death by the Nazis and was eventually murderd in
                                    KZ-Theresienstadt.
                                    The Aura of pre-NS in Berlin where Crowley had his paintings exhibited in '31
                                    in Porza-Gallery was already attacked by Nazi-inflammatory campaign Press
                                    before these cranks came into complete political power.
                                    Crowley was well known by certain Nazi security agents and filed as an
                                    international "Hochgardfreimaurer" "Sex-cultist" and "Entarteter Künstler".
                                    Also he was mentioned often as a ruthless spy with "Jewish-backers" and as
                                    "Anarchist".
                                    His complete ideas of Thelema (as far as understood;-) and also several
                                    "Interpretations" of the Liber Al vel Legis were printet in the inflammatory
                                    paper: "Der Judenkenner" in which you can find at least about 10 long
                                    articles about Crowleys connection with the Golden Dawn Memphis
                                    Misraim/Yarker/Ress and O.T.O. etc. (Members all named like Mathers, Westcott
                                    et al.) even Martha Kuentzel was mentioned in "der judenkenner" as a
                                    follower of the "self styled messiah Crowley" and I do not think that her
                                    assumed gift of the BotL to Hitler has left much impressions this way;-)
                                    Crowleys ambitions as a "spy" in ww. first, are very good documented and in
                                    my opinion more to consider as some of Crowleys desperate trys of playing an
                                    important rôle in a society which disdained him as he scorned this society
                                    vice versa.

                                    The ideas of Crowley as a kind of "fire starter" or trigger of NS - delusions
                                    are in no way convincing. I wonder if anybody in this discussion read Susters
                                    book "Hitler and the Age of Horus" wherin the Historian Gerald Suster -a
                                    former OTO - member in the 80's-who died about 4 years ago, trys to proove
                                    similaryties in between the BoL and Hitlers writings as in "Mein Kampf". He
                                    is really doing very well and every chapter starts with a Line of the BotL
                                    and a line of the "Führers" or other Nazi leaders. It's fascinating to read,
                                    but Suster uses anything that serves his demonstration no matter how absurd
                                    or idle his mostly complete unscientific sources are.
                                    A wonderful example for this is his "discovery" of the Nazi-salutation as
                                    beeing the same gesture as the Golden Dawn / A.'.A.'. Godposition of Set (or
                                    sign of the Gnomes) that does relate indeed to the element Earth; which
                                    prooves for Suster the conclusion that the Nazis used&produced concioussly
                                    magickal powers and currents to "rule the "Earth"".
                                    (The sign of the God set at battle: stand straight, left foot for, right
                                    arm/hand streched up/left arm hand streched downwards - both arms in one
                                    line...wich is not exactly the nazi-salutation : "Heil Hitler!")

                                    In the end of 19th century surly a tremendous and aggressive current was
                                    ruling not only in Europe, Recession, colonialisms ending, the heights of
                                    idustrialisations, faschism Communism&Stalinism, Concetration camps and
                                    gulags Inflation and starving and explotation of the poor workers etc.) and
                                    everybody has today his right to see this announced in some parts of the
                                    BotL.

                                    But the reasons for those horrors and political crimes and the conscioussly
                                    and organized killings of millions of people are not to find in "black
                                    magick" but in the stupidity and greed of mankind that provides a policy that
                                    we have to bear and handle than same as today.
                                    Everybody on this great planet should use his personal way of Magick to
                                    create a universe that has the chance of growing and may get to attain
                                    godhead and the best he can to is to start with himself.
                                    But we all have to see, that before all magick done all of our tempels (I n A
                                    nd O utside) must be cleansed. And the tool for this to gain is at first pure
                                    earthly matter and thought.

                                    cordially

                                    93 93/93

                                    Adonais Montana



                                    > >No, there were no real connection between A.C. and Hitler. There
                                    > >isn't even any evidencefor any contact between Hitler and Kuentzel.
                                    > >The correspondence between A.C. and Kuentzel reveals that she sent
                                    > >Hitler a copy of the Book of the Law, but it is unlikely that this
                                    > >ever reached the eyes of Hitler, and it was sent long after Hitler
                                    > >had worked out the basics in his program. So in short it is unlikely
                                    > >that A.C. ever had any effect or received any warm welcome in the
                                    > >halls of Hitler.
                                    >
                                    > Thanks. I suppose the only thing MWT indicates is that Soror I.W.E. had at
                                    >
                                    > least attempted to contact him. Although Crowley's recomendation that he
                                    > adopt the proper balancing regime may imply that there was real activity
                                    > going on, or that he (and perhaps Soror I.W.E.) was lead to belive there
                                    > was.
                                    > If there is even the remotest possible connection between Hitler and the
                                    > BOTL, I'd like to know, if only to know he may have been affected by it and
                                    >
                                    > maybe add him to the list of failed magickal children.
                                    >
                                    > --
                                    > Cameron
                                    >
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