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all the old religions are black.

"Jones, David R." <djones@...>:> Zero is the point of origin in a Cartesian coordinate system,

0,0,0 is the coordinate of that point. zero is (arguably)

a numerical concept quite beside the point of whether the

point 0,0,0 is itself called zero.

> and is

the 0,0,0 point is defined by its centricity. everything proceeds from

> defined along any axis by the negative continuation, to the left in the

> case of the x axis (or down along the y axis or back along the z axis)

> and the positive continuation to the right (or up or fwd as the case may

> be).

there, whether or not negative numbers are used, as you say.

> In mathematical parlance this is absolute value, because a

agreed.

> movement to the left though it be negative is actually still only that

> value in a different direction.

> Therefore the 2=0 equation is not only valid

this is false. the 0=2 equation is a metaphor, not mathematically valid.

those who try to prove it logically will find that it falls apart

except as a model for the elucidation of esoteric concepts.

> but indicative of the most basic definition of 0 as a value

while these TWO equations are illustrative of the difference between

> correlating arithmetic to geometric systems. In simple terms:

> |-1| + |1| = 2

> (-1) + 1 = 0

absolute and relative value, they do not enable the clever mathematician

to thereafter equate 0 and 2 except in strictly illogical minds.

religion is one thing, math another, except to true Pythagoreans. ;>

333 - View Source50011130 VI! om

christitian:>> This reminds me of the confusion in the Tarot as to where The Fool

"Eric O'Dell" <eodell@...>:

>> was placed. It was absurd but it went in after the 28th Atu, as I

>> recall.

> Um, there are only 22 trumps.

are there? how can you tell? conventionally there have been many decks

of tarocci/tarot cards which contained 21 and 22 Major or Trump cards,

but I'm aware of no special limitation on the number for the

construction of tarot cards. of course there is the humourous assertion

that the 22 Hebrew letters/ToL Paths somehow determine or constrain the

number of Trumps, but I'm unaware of the logic or necessity of this. :>

333 - View SourceOn Fri, 30 Nov 2001, 333 wrote:

> "Eric O'Dell" <eodell@...>:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

> > Um, there are only 22 trumps.

>

> are there? how can you tell? conventionally there have been many decks

> of tarocci/tarot cards which contained 21 and 22 Major or Trump cards,

> but I'm aware of no special limitation on the number for the

> construction of tarot cards. of course there is the humourous assertion

> that the 22 Hebrew letters/ToL Paths somehow determine or constrain the

> number of Trumps, but I'm unaware of the logic or necessity of this. :>

(sigh) ;-)

I am of course speaking within the context of the Golden Dawn/Crowley

conception of the Tarot, with the clear understanding that the particular

Tarot under consideration has been carefully constructed to mesh well with

other symbol-sets in that tradition, including the Tree of Life, the

quinances of the Zodiac, and so on.

My day job -- which I find mildly embarrassing -- is as a programmer and

systems administrator for tarot.com, a moderately-to-highly New Agey

vendor of online Tarot readings. Our interpretations are provided by a

charming local woman who styles herself a "Tarot scholar" and who has an

undying loathing for the GD and Crowley variants on the Tarot. I keep

telling her that it is not especially meaningful to speak of "the" Tarot,

as if it were some primal archetype written with letters of black fire on

white fire in the mind of the Ancient of Days; one can only meaningfully

speak of *a* Tarot.

All that being said, I am unaware of anything with 28+ trumps that calls

itself a Tarot, though there are certainly other systems of cartomancy.

I'm surprised there aren't more, in fact.

Love is the law, love under will.

Regards,

Eric - View Source93 Eric,

on a point of information...

--- In thelema93-l@y..., "Eric O'Dell" <eodell@s...> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, 333 wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> All that being said, I am unaware of anything with 28+ trumps

> that calls itself a Tarot,

I have had the misfortune to come across one such; the "Enochian

Tarot" by Schueler & Schueler. 30 Trumps based on the Vision and

the Voice, 56 Minors in 4 suits based rather clumsily on the G.D.

version of the hierarchy of the Elemental Tablets. The art isn't

too bad though...

love,

dancingstar