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  • mahtezcatpoc
    ... She *is* 81 years old. ... Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich
    Message 1 of 5 , May 12, 2007
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      --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "msbhavens1" <msbhavens1@...> wrote:
      >
      > Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956,
      > shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather
      > plausible that it wont be too long before there is a change there as
      > well.


      She *is* 81 years old.



      >
      > Pluto RX goes back to 26 Sag in september of 2007 before turning
      > direct and heading to Capricorn, but notice the dip back into
      > Sagitarius in 2008 from june 15th to November 27th. This I think
      > makes a large case for one last old generation ruler in the US
      > elections possiblY?



      Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing
      up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich preparing a
      showdown with Bill Clinton when Pluto first entered Sagittarius in 1995.

      But maybe Pluto's alignment with the Galactic Center gives this
      ingress a little more significance.


      Mark A. Holmes


      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
      > <fixed.stars@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Brian sent
      > >
      > > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
      > > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
      > > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
      > > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
      > > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
      > > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
      > > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
      > to
      > > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
      > > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
      > prenatal.
      > > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
      > > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
      > > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
      > > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
      > > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
      > visit,
      > > and what they might tell us.
      > >
      > > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
      > > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
      > M23,
      > > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
      > right hand
      > > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
      > >
      > > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
      > are
      > >
      > > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
      > > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
      > of
      > > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
      > > and
      > > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)
      >
      > > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
      > >
      > > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
      > Shaman
      > > and the Archer, the
      > > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
      > God of
      > > Medicine.
      > > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
      > area
      > > there have
      > > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
      > in
      > > battlefield medicine, and the
      > > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
      > unexpected
      > > number of surviving wounded.
      > >
      > > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
      > >
      > > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
      > healing
      > > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
      > > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
      > > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
      > and Prof of
      > > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
      > and
      > > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
      > Ignaz
      > > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
      > puerperal
      > > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
      > delivering babies,
      > > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
      > of
      > > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
      > virologist
      > > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
      > Thomas
      > > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
      > Bridgman,
      > > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
      > touch,
      > > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
      > the "mute"
      > > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
      > Laing, the Sun
      > > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
      > Without
      > > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
      > > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
      > in 1967
      > > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
      > (culminating
      > > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
      > Great
      > > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
      > (disease
      > > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
      > one half
      > > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
      > Great
      > > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
      > Athenian
      > > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
      > community
      > > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
      > fog that
      > > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
      > from
      > > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
      > Asc at St
      > > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
      > the June,
      > > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
      > 91 of
      > > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
      > died -
      > > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
      > Armandirez, and
      > > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
      > was founded
      > > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
      > Arbor, MI
      > > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
      > > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
      > Saturn
      > > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
      > > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
      > >
      > > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
      > original
      > > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
      > > (positions 2008)
      > >
      > > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
      > > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
      > > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
      > > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
      > stars in
      > > the universe"
      > > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
      > > Nushaba;
      > > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
      > > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
      > >
      > > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
      > > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
      > >
      > > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
      > War" and
      > > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
      > of WWI
      > > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
      > gunnery,
      > > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
      > champion of
      > > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
      > Austere,
      > > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
      > (racist,
      > > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
      > 19th-century
      > > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
      > a harsh
      > > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
      > Archer's arrow
      > > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
      > > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
      > (conspired
      > > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
      > or murder
      > > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
      > of Honor
      > > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
      > hours
      > > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
      > 1242 "Battle
      > > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
      > Teutonic
      > > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
      > longbowmen
      > > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
      > cavalry -
      > > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
      > total Solar
      > > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
      > BCE: the
      > > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
      > made
      > > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
      > on Fort
      > > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
      > Ingress of
      > > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
      > WWII
      > > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
      > Islamic
      > > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
      > Pentagon
      > > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
      > caused
      > > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
      > Mesopotamia
      > > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
      > this was
      > > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
      > champion
      > > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
      > >
      > > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
      > Mercury of
      > > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
      > founders of
      > > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
      > > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
      > epidemiologist Dr
      > > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
      > water
      > > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
      > powers of
      > > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
      > character
      > > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
      > > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
      > occupational
      > > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
      > Nicholas
      > > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
      > librarian
      > > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
      > Harner, an
      > > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
      > B F
      > > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
      > century
      > > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
      > anthropologist,
      > > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
      > Paget)
      > > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
      > Florence
      > > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
      > during
      > > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
      > soldiers
      > > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
      > was done to
      > > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
      > preserver
      > > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
      > Sun of
      > > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
      > fever, who
      > > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
      > of "Three
      > > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
      > > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
      > the
      > > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
      > Neptune were
      > > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
      > MIC gas
      > > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
      > > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
      > test it;
      > > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
      > industrial
      > > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
      > the March,
      > > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
      > reached
      > > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
      > considered this
      > > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
      > Europe
      > > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
      > that the
      > > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
      > distribution and
      > > inoculations followed immediately.
      > >
      > > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
      > >
      > > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
      > trauma
      > > medicine
      > > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
      > motivations of
      > > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
      > > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
      > I'm not
      > > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
      > > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
      > will see
      > > that his first healing was with an herb
      > > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
      > rethinking
      > > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
      > > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
      > stockpiles of
      > > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
      > > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
      > > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
      > > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
      > fabbed
      > > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
      > > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
      > future.
      > > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
      > > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
      > buzz
      > > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
      > > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
      > there
      > > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
      > > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
      > multinationals
      > > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
      > > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
      > > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
      > >
      > > Comments?
      > >
      > > Love, Diana
      > >
      > > Website: http://ye-stars.com
      > >
      >
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