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  • msbhavens1
    I am somewhat thinking that Pluto represents a breakdown in traditional methods, ergo out with some of the traditional parties and their ideas (note that bush,
    Message 1 of 5 , May 12, 2007
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      I am somewhat thinking that Pluto represents a breakdown in
      traditional methods, ergo out with some of the traditional parties
      and their ideas (note that bush, and all his era of politicians have
      Leo Pluto's, so runing through Sagitarius trine seems like a last
      Hurrah for them to me???) where as the incoming generation of
      political people have Virgo Pluto's. my own at 7 virgo is in
      opposition to my natal Jupiter at 3 PI 55. (Jupiter in 5 aligned with
      Fomalhaut, Pluto in 11 aligned with Thuben)

      Pluto entered Virgo about 4:30 universal time 19 August 1957, and
      enters Libra about the 30th of 1972.... so you have the 30-50 year
      olds of this era beginning to take matters of politics more into
      their own hands. (I would think this is sensible?) Pluto Leos seem to
      me to have some serious control issues and I think Virgo Pluto's dont
      like their behavior? It is one of the reasons I think the Obama
      Edwards Ticket seems like a reasonable run for 2008, the represent
      that change in traditional politics?? it is a theory only of course.

      Edwards born in 53 is a 21 Leo Pluto (recently direct), and Obama
      born in 1961 is an early 06 Virgo Pluto, these two have one foot in
      each generation... hmmm I'm getting slightly off track here I think,
      but I think it is notable that Pluto is Trining its postion of 1957
      in 2007 and that these changes in politics are occuring.

      incidents in 1957 noted from Wikipedia
      July 29, 1957 the International Atomic Energy Agency is formed.

      august 21 1957 Eisenhower announces a 2 year suspension of testing on
      nuclear power.... pluto change...

      August 28 - Strom Thurmond set the record for filibuster railing
      against a civil rights bill, - the former generation raging against
      its good night? pluto change, strom was fighting a losing battle.

      Interesting to me that Pluto in Virgo would be a huge Civil Rights
      Beacon.

      Also heralded real Space Exploration, Sputnik two with the first ever
      live passenger, a dog named Laika launched in september 1957

      november 13 the first working laser, the gould
      other stuff in 1957?

      pacific coast stock exchange is formed

      huge number of train wrecks and weather related crisis listed for 57,
      for instance Hurricane Audrey, hit Louisiana killing about 400
      people,
      175 people die in Jamaicas worst rail disaster
      95 die in Turkey rail disaster
      manmade disaster the Dulles dam in Oregan is closed and floods the
      Oregon River
      Po floods in italy flooding Venice

      The dodgers move to Lo Angeles... =)

      Civil Rights Commision established
      Asian Flu pandemic in China
      Spur Founded (German artistic association)
      france has serious issues in Algieria

      Changes in command in 1957 -
      Harold Macmillan becomes UK PM
      U Nu becomes PM of Burma
      Arturo Lezama becomes Pres. of Uruguay
      UK gold coast colonies separate from UK to form Ghana
      Olav V became King of Norway...
      Kerala elects its first government
      John Diefenbaker becomes PM in Canada
      UK announces Singapore will gain self rule in 1958

      Mafia issues:
      Jimmy Haffa arrested 13 Mar
      Vincente Gigante fails to kill Frank Costello
      Albert Anastasia 25 oct killed
      14 november the Apalachian meeting
      this was a huge change in power that probably should be noted,
      wondering if similar will show up in underground this year?

      serial killers: rampant?
      Mad Bomber George Metsky arrested in Jan
      Suspected Serial Killer; John Bodkin Adams found not gulty in old
      bailey...
      16 november Edward Gein kills last victem







      --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
      <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
      >
      > Brian sent
      >
      > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
      > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
      > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
      > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
      > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
      > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
      > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
      to
      > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
      > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
      prenatal.
      > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
      > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
      > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
      > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
      > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
      visit,
      > and what they might tell us.
      >
      > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
      > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
      M23,
      > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
      right hand
      > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
      >
      > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
      are
      >
      > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
      > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
      of
      > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
      > and
      > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)

      > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
      >
      > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
      Shaman
      > and the Archer, the
      > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
      God of
      > Medicine.
      > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
      area
      > there have
      > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
      in
      > battlefield medicine, and the
      > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
      unexpected
      > number of surviving wounded.
      >
      > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
      >
      > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
      healing
      > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
      > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
      > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
      and Prof of
      > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
      and
      > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
      Ignaz
      > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
      puerperal
      > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
      delivering babies,
      > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
      of
      > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
      virologist
      > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
      Thomas
      > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
      Bridgman,
      > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
      touch,
      > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
      the "mute"
      > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
      Laing, the Sun
      > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
      Without
      > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
      > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
      in 1967
      > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
      (culminating
      > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
      Great
      > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
      (disease
      > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
      one half
      > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
      Great
      > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
      Athenian
      > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
      community
      > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
      fog that
      > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
      from
      > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
      Asc at St
      > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
      the June,
      > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
      91 of
      > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
      died -
      > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
      Armandirez, and
      > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
      was founded
      > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
      Arbor, MI
      > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
      > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
      Saturn
      > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
      > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
      >
      > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
      original
      > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
      > (positions 2008)
      >
      > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
      > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
      > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
      > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
      stars in
      > the universe"
      > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
      > Nushaba;
      > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
      > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
      >
      > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
      > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
      >
      > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
      War" and
      > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
      of WWI
      > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
      gunnery,
      > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
      champion of
      > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
      Austere,
      > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
      (racist,
      > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
      19th-century
      > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
      a harsh
      > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
      Archer's arrow
      > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
      > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
      (conspired
      > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
      or murder
      > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
      of Honor
      > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
      hours
      > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
      1242 "Battle
      > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
      Teutonic
      > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
      longbowmen
      > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
      cavalry -
      > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
      total Solar
      > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
      BCE: the
      > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
      made
      > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
      on Fort
      > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
      Ingress of
      > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
      WWII
      > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
      Islamic
      > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
      Pentagon
      > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
      caused
      > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
      Mesopotamia
      > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
      this was
      > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
      champion
      > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
      >
      > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
      Mercury of
      > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
      founders of
      > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
      > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
      epidemiologist Dr
      > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
      water
      > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
      powers of
      > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
      character
      > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
      > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
      occupational
      > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
      Nicholas
      > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
      librarian
      > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
      Harner, an
      > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
      B F
      > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
      century
      > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
      anthropologist,
      > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
      Paget)
      > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
      Florence
      > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
      during
      > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
      soldiers
      > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
      was done to
      > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
      preserver
      > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
      Sun of
      > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
      fever, who
      > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
      of "Three
      > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
      > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
      the
      > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
      Neptune were
      > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
      MIC gas
      > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
      > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
      test it;
      > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
      industrial
      > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
      the March,
      > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
      reached
      > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
      considered this
      > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
      Europe
      > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
      that the
      > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
      distribution and
      > inoculations followed immediately.
      >
      > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
      >
      > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
      trauma
      > medicine
      > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
      motivations of
      > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
      > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
      I'm not
      > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
      > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
      will see
      > that his first healing was with an herb
      > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
      rethinking
      > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
      > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
      stockpiles of
      > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
      > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
      > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
      > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
      fabbed
      > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
      > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
      future.
      > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
      > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
      buzz
      > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
      > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
      there
      > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
      > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
      multinationals
      > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
      > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
      > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
      >
      > Comments?
      >
      > Love, Diana
      >
      > Website: http://ye-stars.com
      >
    • msbhavens1
      Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956, shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather plausible that it wont be
      Message 2 of 5 , May 12, 2007
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        Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956,
        shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather
        plausible that it wont be too long before there is a change there as
        well.

        Pluto RX goes back to 26 Sag in september of 2007 before turning
        direct and heading to Capricorn, but notice the dip back into
        Sagitarius in 2008 from june 15th to November 27th. This I think
        makes a large case for one last old generation ruler in the US
        elections possiblY?




        --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
        <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
        >
        > Brian sent
        >
        > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
        > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
        > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
        > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
        > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
        > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
        > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
        to
        > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
        > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
        prenatal.
        > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
        > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
        > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
        > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
        > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
        visit,
        > and what they might tell us.
        >
        > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
        > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
        M23,
        > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
        right hand
        > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
        >
        > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
        are
        >
        > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
        > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
        of
        > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
        > and
        > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)

        > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
        >
        > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
        Shaman
        > and the Archer, the
        > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
        God of
        > Medicine.
        > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
        area
        > there have
        > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
        in
        > battlefield medicine, and the
        > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
        unexpected
        > number of surviving wounded.
        >
        > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
        >
        > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
        healing
        > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
        > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
        > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
        and Prof of
        > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
        and
        > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
        Ignaz
        > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
        puerperal
        > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
        delivering babies,
        > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
        of
        > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
        virologist
        > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
        Thomas
        > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
        Bridgman,
        > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
        touch,
        > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
        the "mute"
        > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
        Laing, the Sun
        > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
        Without
        > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
        > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
        in 1967
        > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
        (culminating
        > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
        Great
        > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
        (disease
        > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
        one half
        > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
        Great
        > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
        Athenian
        > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
        community
        > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
        fog that
        > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
        from
        > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
        Asc at St
        > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
        the June,
        > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
        91 of
        > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
        died -
        > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
        Armandirez, and
        > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
        was founded
        > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
        Arbor, MI
        > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
        > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
        Saturn
        > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
        > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
        >
        > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
        original
        > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
        > (positions 2008)
        >
        > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
        > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
        > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
        > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
        stars in
        > the universe"
        > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
        > Nushaba;
        > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
        > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
        >
        > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
        > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
        >
        > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
        War" and
        > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
        of WWI
        > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
        gunnery,
        > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
        champion of
        > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
        Austere,
        > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
        (racist,
        > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
        19th-century
        > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
        a harsh
        > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
        Archer's arrow
        > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
        > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
        (conspired
        > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
        or murder
        > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
        of Honor
        > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
        hours
        > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
        1242 "Battle
        > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
        Teutonic
        > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
        longbowmen
        > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
        cavalry -
        > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
        total Solar
        > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
        BCE: the
        > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
        made
        > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
        on Fort
        > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
        Ingress of
        > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
        WWII
        > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
        Islamic
        > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
        Pentagon
        > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
        caused
        > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
        Mesopotamia
        > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
        this was
        > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
        champion
        > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
        >
        > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
        Mercury of
        > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
        founders of
        > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
        > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
        epidemiologist Dr
        > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
        water
        > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
        powers of
        > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
        character
        > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
        > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
        occupational
        > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
        Nicholas
        > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
        librarian
        > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
        Harner, an
        > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
        B F
        > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
        century
        > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
        anthropologist,
        > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
        Paget)
        > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
        Florence
        > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
        during
        > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
        soldiers
        > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
        was done to
        > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
        preserver
        > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
        Sun of
        > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
        fever, who
        > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
        of "Three
        > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
        > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
        the
        > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
        Neptune were
        > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
        MIC gas
        > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
        > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
        test it;
        > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
        industrial
        > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
        the March,
        > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
        reached
        > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
        considered this
        > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
        Europe
        > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
        that the
        > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
        distribution and
        > inoculations followed immediately.
        >
        > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
        >
        > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
        trauma
        > medicine
        > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
        motivations of
        > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
        > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
        I'm not
        > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
        > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
        will see
        > that his first healing was with an herb
        > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
        rethinking
        > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
        > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
        stockpiles of
        > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
        > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
        > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
        > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
        fabbed
        > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
        > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
        future.
        > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
        > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
        buzz
        > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
        > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
        there
        > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
        > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
        multinationals
        > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
        > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
        > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
        >
        > Comments?
        >
        > Love, Diana
        >
        > Website: http://ye-stars.com
        >
      • mahtezcatpoc
        ... She *is* 81 years old. ... Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich
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          --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "msbhavens1" <msbhavens1@...> wrote:
          >
          > Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956,
          > shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather
          > plausible that it wont be too long before there is a change there as
          > well.


          She *is* 81 years old.



          >
          > Pluto RX goes back to 26 Sag in september of 2007 before turning
          > direct and heading to Capricorn, but notice the dip back into
          > Sagitarius in 2008 from june 15th to November 27th. This I think
          > makes a large case for one last old generation ruler in the US
          > elections possiblY?



          Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing
          up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich preparing a
          showdown with Bill Clinton when Pluto first entered Sagittarius in 1995.

          But maybe Pluto's alignment with the Galactic Center gives this
          ingress a little more significance.


          Mark A. Holmes


          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
          > <fixed.stars@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Brian sent
          > >
          > > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
          > > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
          > > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
          > > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
          > > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
          > > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
          > > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
          > to
          > > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
          > > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
          > prenatal.
          > > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
          > > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
          > > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
          > > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
          > > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
          > visit,
          > > and what they might tell us.
          > >
          > > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
          > > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
          > M23,
          > > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
          > right hand
          > > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
          > >
          > > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
          > are
          > >
          > > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
          > > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
          > of
          > > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
          > > and
          > > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)
          >
          > > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
          > >
          > > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
          > Shaman
          > > and the Archer, the
          > > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
          > God of
          > > Medicine.
          > > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
          > area
          > > there have
          > > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
          > in
          > > battlefield medicine, and the
          > > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
          > unexpected
          > > number of surviving wounded.
          > >
          > > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
          > >
          > > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
          > healing
          > > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
          > > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
          > > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
          > and Prof of
          > > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
          > and
          > > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
          > Ignaz
          > > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
          > puerperal
          > > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
          > delivering babies,
          > > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
          > of
          > > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
          > virologist
          > > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
          > Thomas
          > > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
          > Bridgman,
          > > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
          > touch,
          > > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
          > the "mute"
          > > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
          > Laing, the Sun
          > > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
          > Without
          > > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
          > > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
          > in 1967
          > > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
          > (culminating
          > > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
          > Great
          > > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
          > (disease
          > > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
          > one half
          > > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
          > Great
          > > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
          > Athenian
          > > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
          > community
          > > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
          > fog that
          > > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
          > from
          > > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
          > Asc at St
          > > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
          > the June,
          > > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
          > 91 of
          > > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
          > died -
          > > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
          > Armandirez, and
          > > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
          > was founded
          > > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
          > Arbor, MI
          > > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
          > > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
          > Saturn
          > > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
          > > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
          > >
          > > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
          > original
          > > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
          > > (positions 2008)
          > >
          > > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
          > > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
          > > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
          > > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
          > stars in
          > > the universe"
          > > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
          > > Nushaba;
          > > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
          > > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
          > >
          > > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
          > > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
          > >
          > > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
          > War" and
          > > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
          > of WWI
          > > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
          > gunnery,
          > > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
          > champion of
          > > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
          > Austere,
          > > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
          > (racist,
          > > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
          > 19th-century
          > > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
          > a harsh
          > > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
          > Archer's arrow
          > > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
          > > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
          > (conspired
          > > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
          > or murder
          > > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
          > of Honor
          > > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
          > hours
          > > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
          > 1242 "Battle
          > > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
          > Teutonic
          > > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
          > longbowmen
          > > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
          > cavalry -
          > > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
          > total Solar
          > > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
          > BCE: the
          > > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
          > made
          > > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
          > on Fort
          > > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
          > Ingress of
          > > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
          > WWII
          > > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
          > Islamic
          > > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
          > Pentagon
          > > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
          > caused
          > > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
          > Mesopotamia
          > > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
          > this was
          > > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
          > champion
          > > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
          > >
          > > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
          > Mercury of
          > > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
          > founders of
          > > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
          > > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
          > epidemiologist Dr
          > > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
          > water
          > > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
          > powers of
          > > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
          > character
          > > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
          > > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
          > occupational
          > > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
          > Nicholas
          > > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
          > librarian
          > > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
          > Harner, an
          > > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
          > B F
          > > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
          > century
          > > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
          > anthropologist,
          > > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
          > Paget)
          > > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
          > Florence
          > > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
          > during
          > > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
          > soldiers
          > > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
          > was done to
          > > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
          > preserver
          > > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
          > Sun of
          > > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
          > fever, who
          > > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
          > of "Three
          > > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
          > > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
          > the
          > > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
          > Neptune were
          > > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
          > MIC gas
          > > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
          > > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
          > test it;
          > > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
          > industrial
          > > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
          > the March,
          > > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
          > reached
          > > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
          > considered this
          > > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
          > Europe
          > > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
          > that the
          > > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
          > distribution and
          > > inoculations followed immediately.
          > >
          > > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
          > >
          > > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
          > trauma
          > > medicine
          > > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
          > motivations of
          > > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
          > > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
          > I'm not
          > > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
          > > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
          > will see
          > > that his first healing was with an herb
          > > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
          > rethinking
          > > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
          > > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
          > stockpiles of
          > > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
          > > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
          > > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
          > > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
          > fabbed
          > > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
          > > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
          > future.
          > > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
          > > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
          > buzz
          > > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
          > > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
          > there
          > > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
          > > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
          > multinationals
          > > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
          > > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
          > > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
          > >
          > > Comments?
          > >
          > > Love, Diana
          > >
          > > Website: http://ye-stars.com
          > >
          >
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