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  • Diana K Rosenberg
    Brian sent ... ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking about the
    Message 1 of 5 , May 7, 2007
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      Pluto into Cap

      Brian sent

      >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
      >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
      >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
      >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
      >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
      >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
      >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely to
      >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
      >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not prenatal.
      >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
      >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
      ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
      This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
      about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will visit,
      and what they might tell us.

      Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
      at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster M23,
      above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the right hand
      of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.

      The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here are

      Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens  right hand                29SA51  (2008)
      (misnamed, for Sinistra means “left,” but this is in the right hand of Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
      and
      Spiculum  M20 Trifid Nebula  Sagittarius                0CP42 (2008)   
        NGC 6514    diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer’s bow

      These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the Shaman and the Archer, the
      healer and the warrior.  To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius, God of Medicine.
      It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this area there have
      been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made in battlefield medicine, and the
      resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the unexpected number of surviving wounded.

      Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:

      Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the healing professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist and Prof of Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet and psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr Ignaz Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of puerperal fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before delivering babies, the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer of antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-virologist Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes Thomas Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by touch, she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of the "mute" constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D Laing, the Sun at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon in 1967 at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars (culminating at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the Great Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic (disease unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about one half of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: “the Great Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the Athenian empire,” Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining community of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and fog that killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst from crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned  37 villagers, the Asc at St George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at the June, 1954 New Moon when filming started on “The Conqueror;” as of 1984, 91 of  220 cast and crew (41%) had  developed cancer, and most of these died - including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro Armandirez, and director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization was founded in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann Arbor, MI that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations. Saturn and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck

      At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the original Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
      (positions 2008)

      Tau Ophiuchi    right hand/Serpent’s tail       0CP53  
       with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
      Red Spider Nebula  NGC 6537  Sagittarius        1CP20  
       near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known stars in the universe"
      Al Nasl  Gamma Sagittarii  arrow tip    1CP22  
       Nushaba;
      Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis   Octant       1CP58  
       dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole

      I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)

      Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called “The Giant King of War” and Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus of WWI British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval gunnery, Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic champion of improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships. Austere, humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen’l Erich von Ludendorff (racist, anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of 19th-century soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in a harsh workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the Archer’s arrow “makes bowmen” and Ptolemy has it as “harmful;” this was Pluto of Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars (conspired against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide or murder is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal of Honor winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8 hours against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the 1242 “Battle on the Ice” when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading Teutonic Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English longbowmen (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French cavalry – “one of the great victories of military history,” the SNode at a total Solar Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585 BCE: the day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they made peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired on Fort Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries Ingress of 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging WWII which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001 Islamic terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash caused by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer’s epithets in ancient Mesopotamia was Pa-Bil-Sag, “Fire-Arrow-Archer” - the tip of his arrow is here: this was the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a champion Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!

      Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was Mercury of 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the founders of the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-epidemiologist Dr John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London water supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose powers of observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle’s literary character Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in occupational medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist Nicholas Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health librarian Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael Harner, an expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist B F Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-century physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist, anthropologist, political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with Paget) of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer Florence Nightingale, “founder of modern nursing” who ministered to soldiers during the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded soldiers were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing was done to help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon, preserver of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the Sun of 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet fever, who was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode of “Three Faces of Eve” subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned the Archer’s Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and Neptune were here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly MIC gas killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to test it; thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - “the worst industrial disaster in history” (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of the March, 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague) reached Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris considered this cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in Europe and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass distribution and inoculations followed immediately.

      Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will

      a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension) trauma medicine
      b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological motivations of warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors

      with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions -- I'm not saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and

      more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you will see that his first healing was with an herb
      c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL rethinking (already underway, I think) about how wars will be

      fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border, stockpiles of hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored

      troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
      monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-fabbed encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used

      as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the future. (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working

      on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or buzz over a battle zone unnoticed!)
      d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats, there will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not

      run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge multinationals will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up

      "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.

      Comments?

      Love, Diana

      Website: http://ye-stars.com

    • Mark Andrew Holmes
      Maybe with Polaris Australis in the picture controls will be seen as unconscionably weak? I seem to remember a lot of alignments with that star when the
      Message 2 of 5 , May 8, 2007
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        Maybe with Polaris Australis in the picture controls
        will be seen as unconscionably weak? I seem to
        remember a lot of alignments with that star when the
        Republicans controlled Congress and the torture
        scandals out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay
        and all that other mess was going on.

        Mark A. Holmes


        --- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:

        > Brian sent
        >
        > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge,
        > that's where i
        > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto
        > entered tropical
        > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn
        > and Uranus
        > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into
        > Cap in 1762 set
        > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing
        > paradigm (British
        > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues.
        > When Pluto enters
        > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI.
        > This is likely to
        > >I see this as the polarization of traditional
        > culture with the
        > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now,
        > if not prenatal.
        > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow
        > future attempts
        > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
        >
        ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
        > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap,
        > set me thinking
        > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that
        > Pluto will visit,
        > and what they might tell us.
        >
        > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26
        > 2008; it will be
        > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and
        > just past Cluster M23,
        > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer
        > and beneath the right hand
        > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
        >
        > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually
        > accessible) stars here are
        >
        > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51
        > (2008)
        > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in
        > the right hand of
        > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
        > and
        > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42
        > (2008)
        > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part
        > of Archer's bow
        >
        > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and
        > Sagittarius, the Shaman
        > and the Archer, the
        > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus
        > was Aesculapius, God of
        > Medicine.
        > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto
        > already in this area
        > there have
        > been several news stories about the remarkable
        > progress being made in
        > battlefield medicine, and the
        > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities
        > because of the unexpected
        > number of surviving wounded.
        >
        > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
        >
        > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent
        > represent the healing
        > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century
        > itinerant physician and
        > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus
        > Theophrastus Bombast Von
        > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural
        > historian, anatomist and Prof of
        > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist
        > Jules Bordet and
        > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century
        > physician Dr Ignaz
        > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were
        > dying of puerperal
        > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands
        > before delivering babies,
        > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming
        > the discoverer of
        > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode
        > of physician-virologist
        > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of
        > deaf-mutes Thomas
        > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of
        > 19th-century Laura Bridgman,
        > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever;
        > taught to read by touch,
        > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was
        > considered one of the "mute"
        > constellations), SNode of
        > psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D Laing, the Sun
        > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans
        > Frontieres (Doctors Without
        > Borders), an independent international medical
        > relief agency run by
        > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and
        > disasters; the Moon in 1967
        > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in
        > Capetown, SA; Mars (culminating
        > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the
        > 2nd year of the Great
        > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a
        > terrible epidemic (disease
        > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens
        > of Athens; about one half
        > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of
        > morale: "the Great
        > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the
        > downfall of the Athenian
        > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the
        > coal-mining community
        > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic
        > industrial smoke and fog that
        > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a
        > CO2 gas burst from
        > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37
        > villagers, the Asc at St
        > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear
        > test site, at the June,
        > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The
        > Conqueror;" as of 1984, 91 of
        > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and
        > most of these died -
        > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes
        > Moorehead, Pedro Armandirez, and
        > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health
        > Organization was founded
        > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955
        > announcement at Ann Arbor, MI
        > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and
        > effective: the
        > government immediately ordered mass distribution and
        > inoculations. Saturn
        > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the
        > incorporations of
        > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
        >
        > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the
        > stars of the original
        > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
        > (positions 2008)
        >
        > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
        > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus
        > gripping the Serpent
        > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
        > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the
        > hottest known stars in
        > the universe"
        > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
        > Nushaba;
        > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
        > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South
        > Celestial Pole
        >
        > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and
        > weaponry (and a 2nd
        > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
        >
        > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called
        > "The Giant King of War" and
        > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was
        > Mercury and Venus of WWI
        > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular
        > interest was naval gunnery,
        > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John
        > Fisher, a fanatic champion of
        > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery
        > practice on ships. Austere,
        > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von
        > Ludendorff (racist,
        > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this
        > was Saturn of 19th-century
        > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M
        > Stanley (raised in a harsh
        > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip
        > of the Archer's arrow
        > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this
        > was Pluto of
        > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French
        > Revolutionary Wars (conspired
        > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat -
        > whether suicide or murder
        > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther
        > Skaggs, WWII Medal of Honor
        > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital
        > position for 8 hours
        > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl
        > preceding the 1242 "Battle
        > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky
        > defeated invading Teutonic
        > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt:
        > 5,000
        === message truncated ===


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      • msbhavens1
        I am somewhat thinking that Pluto represents a breakdown in traditional methods, ergo out with some of the traditional parties and their ideas (note that bush,
        Message 3 of 5 , May 12, 2007
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          I am somewhat thinking that Pluto represents a breakdown in
          traditional methods, ergo out with some of the traditional parties
          and their ideas (note that bush, and all his era of politicians have
          Leo Pluto's, so runing through Sagitarius trine seems like a last
          Hurrah for them to me???) where as the incoming generation of
          political people have Virgo Pluto's. my own at 7 virgo is in
          opposition to my natal Jupiter at 3 PI 55. (Jupiter in 5 aligned with
          Fomalhaut, Pluto in 11 aligned with Thuben)

          Pluto entered Virgo about 4:30 universal time 19 August 1957, and
          enters Libra about the 30th of 1972.... so you have the 30-50 year
          olds of this era beginning to take matters of politics more into
          their own hands. (I would think this is sensible?) Pluto Leos seem to
          me to have some serious control issues and I think Virgo Pluto's dont
          like their behavior? It is one of the reasons I think the Obama
          Edwards Ticket seems like a reasonable run for 2008, the represent
          that change in traditional politics?? it is a theory only of course.

          Edwards born in 53 is a 21 Leo Pluto (recently direct), and Obama
          born in 1961 is an early 06 Virgo Pluto, these two have one foot in
          each generation... hmmm I'm getting slightly off track here I think,
          but I think it is notable that Pluto is Trining its postion of 1957
          in 2007 and that these changes in politics are occuring.

          incidents in 1957 noted from Wikipedia
          July 29, 1957 the International Atomic Energy Agency is formed.

          august 21 1957 Eisenhower announces a 2 year suspension of testing on
          nuclear power.... pluto change...

          August 28 - Strom Thurmond set the record for filibuster railing
          against a civil rights bill, - the former generation raging against
          its good night? pluto change, strom was fighting a losing battle.

          Interesting to me that Pluto in Virgo would be a huge Civil Rights
          Beacon.

          Also heralded real Space Exploration, Sputnik two with the first ever
          live passenger, a dog named Laika launched in september 1957

          november 13 the first working laser, the gould
          other stuff in 1957?

          pacific coast stock exchange is formed

          huge number of train wrecks and weather related crisis listed for 57,
          for instance Hurricane Audrey, hit Louisiana killing about 400
          people,
          175 people die in Jamaicas worst rail disaster
          95 die in Turkey rail disaster
          manmade disaster the Dulles dam in Oregan is closed and floods the
          Oregon River
          Po floods in italy flooding Venice

          The dodgers move to Lo Angeles... =)

          Civil Rights Commision established
          Asian Flu pandemic in China
          Spur Founded (German artistic association)
          france has serious issues in Algieria

          Changes in command in 1957 -
          Harold Macmillan becomes UK PM
          U Nu becomes PM of Burma
          Arturo Lezama becomes Pres. of Uruguay
          UK gold coast colonies separate from UK to form Ghana
          Olav V became King of Norway...
          Kerala elects its first government
          John Diefenbaker becomes PM in Canada
          UK announces Singapore will gain self rule in 1958

          Mafia issues:
          Jimmy Haffa arrested 13 Mar
          Vincente Gigante fails to kill Frank Costello
          Albert Anastasia 25 oct killed
          14 november the Apalachian meeting
          this was a huge change in power that probably should be noted,
          wondering if similar will show up in underground this year?

          serial killers: rampant?
          Mad Bomber George Metsky arrested in Jan
          Suspected Serial Killer; John Bodkin Adams found not gulty in old
          bailey...
          16 november Edward Gein kills last victem







          --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
          <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
          >
          > Brian sent
          >
          > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
          > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
          > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
          > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
          > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
          > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
          > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
          to
          > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
          > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
          prenatal.
          > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
          > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
          > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
          > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
          > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
          visit,
          > and what they might tell us.
          >
          > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
          > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
          M23,
          > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
          right hand
          > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
          >
          > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
          are
          >
          > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
          > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
          of
          > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
          > and
          > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)

          > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
          >
          > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
          Shaman
          > and the Archer, the
          > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
          God of
          > Medicine.
          > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
          area
          > there have
          > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
          in
          > battlefield medicine, and the
          > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
          unexpected
          > number of surviving wounded.
          >
          > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
          >
          > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
          healing
          > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
          > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
          > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
          and Prof of
          > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
          and
          > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
          Ignaz
          > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
          puerperal
          > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
          delivering babies,
          > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
          of
          > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
          virologist
          > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
          Thomas
          > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
          Bridgman,
          > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
          touch,
          > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
          the "mute"
          > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
          Laing, the Sun
          > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
          Without
          > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
          > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
          in 1967
          > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
          (culminating
          > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
          Great
          > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
          (disease
          > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
          one half
          > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
          Great
          > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
          Athenian
          > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
          community
          > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
          fog that
          > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
          from
          > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
          Asc at St
          > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
          the June,
          > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
          91 of
          > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
          died -
          > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
          Armandirez, and
          > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
          was founded
          > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
          Arbor, MI
          > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
          > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
          Saturn
          > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
          > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
          >
          > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
          original
          > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
          > (positions 2008)
          >
          > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
          > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
          > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
          > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
          stars in
          > the universe"
          > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
          > Nushaba;
          > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
          > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
          >
          > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
          > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
          >
          > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
          War" and
          > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
          of WWI
          > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
          gunnery,
          > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
          champion of
          > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
          Austere,
          > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
          (racist,
          > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
          19th-century
          > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
          a harsh
          > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
          Archer's arrow
          > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
          > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
          (conspired
          > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
          or murder
          > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
          of Honor
          > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
          hours
          > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
          1242 "Battle
          > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
          Teutonic
          > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
          longbowmen
          > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
          cavalry -
          > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
          total Solar
          > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
          BCE: the
          > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
          made
          > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
          on Fort
          > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
          Ingress of
          > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
          WWII
          > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
          Islamic
          > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
          Pentagon
          > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
          caused
          > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
          Mesopotamia
          > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
          this was
          > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
          champion
          > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
          >
          > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
          Mercury of
          > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
          founders of
          > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
          > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
          epidemiologist Dr
          > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
          water
          > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
          powers of
          > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
          character
          > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
          > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
          occupational
          > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
          Nicholas
          > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
          librarian
          > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
          Harner, an
          > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
          B F
          > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
          century
          > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
          anthropologist,
          > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
          Paget)
          > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
          Florence
          > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
          during
          > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
          soldiers
          > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
          was done to
          > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
          preserver
          > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
          Sun of
          > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
          fever, who
          > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
          of "Three
          > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
          > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
          the
          > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
          Neptune were
          > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
          MIC gas
          > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
          > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
          test it;
          > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
          industrial
          > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
          the March,
          > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
          reached
          > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
          considered this
          > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
          Europe
          > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
          that the
          > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
          distribution and
          > inoculations followed immediately.
          >
          > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
          >
          > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
          trauma
          > medicine
          > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
          motivations of
          > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
          > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
          I'm not
          > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
          > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
          will see
          > that his first healing was with an herb
          > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
          rethinking
          > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
          > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
          stockpiles of
          > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
          > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
          > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
          > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
          fabbed
          > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
          > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
          future.
          > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
          > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
          buzz
          > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
          > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
          there
          > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
          > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
          multinationals
          > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
          > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
          > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
          >
          > Comments?
          >
          > Love, Diana
          >
          > Website: http://ye-stars.com
          >
        • msbhavens1
          Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956, shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather plausible that it wont be
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            Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956,
            shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather
            plausible that it wont be too long before there is a change there as
            well.

            Pluto RX goes back to 26 Sag in september of 2007 before turning
            direct and heading to Capricorn, but notice the dip back into
            Sagitarius in 2008 from june 15th to November 27th. This I think
            makes a large case for one last old generation ruler in the US
            elections possiblY?




            --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
            <fixed.stars@...> wrote:
            >
            > Brian sent
            >
            > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
            > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
            > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
            > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
            > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
            > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
            > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
            to
            > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
            > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
            prenatal.
            > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
            > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
            > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
            > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
            > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
            visit,
            > and what they might tell us.
            >
            > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
            > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
            M23,
            > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
            right hand
            > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
            >
            > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
            are
            >
            > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
            > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
            of
            > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
            > and
            > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)

            > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
            >
            > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
            Shaman
            > and the Archer, the
            > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
            God of
            > Medicine.
            > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
            area
            > there have
            > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
            in
            > battlefield medicine, and the
            > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
            unexpected
            > number of surviving wounded.
            >
            > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
            >
            > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
            healing
            > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
            > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
            > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
            and Prof of
            > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
            and
            > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
            Ignaz
            > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
            puerperal
            > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
            delivering babies,
            > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
            of
            > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
            virologist
            > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
            Thomas
            > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
            Bridgman,
            > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
            touch,
            > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
            the "mute"
            > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
            Laing, the Sun
            > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
            Without
            > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
            > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
            in 1967
            > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
            (culminating
            > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
            Great
            > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
            (disease
            > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
            one half
            > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
            Great
            > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
            Athenian
            > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
            community
            > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
            fog that
            > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
            from
            > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
            Asc at St
            > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
            the June,
            > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
            91 of
            > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
            died -
            > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
            Armandirez, and
            > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
            was founded
            > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
            Arbor, MI
            > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
            > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
            Saturn
            > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
            > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
            >
            > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
            original
            > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
            > (positions 2008)
            >
            > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
            > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
            > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
            > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
            stars in
            > the universe"
            > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
            > Nushaba;
            > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
            > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
            >
            > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
            > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
            >
            > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
            War" and
            > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
            of WWI
            > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
            gunnery,
            > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
            champion of
            > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
            Austere,
            > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
            (racist,
            > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
            19th-century
            > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
            a harsh
            > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
            Archer's arrow
            > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
            > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
            (conspired
            > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
            or murder
            > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
            of Honor
            > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
            hours
            > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
            1242 "Battle
            > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
            Teutonic
            > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
            longbowmen
            > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
            cavalry -
            > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
            total Solar
            > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
            BCE: the
            > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
            made
            > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
            on Fort
            > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
            Ingress of
            > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
            WWII
            > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
            Islamic
            > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
            Pentagon
            > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
            caused
            > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
            Mesopotamia
            > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
            this was
            > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
            champion
            > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
            >
            > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
            Mercury of
            > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
            founders of
            > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
            > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
            epidemiologist Dr
            > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
            water
            > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
            powers of
            > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
            character
            > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
            > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
            occupational
            > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
            Nicholas
            > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
            librarian
            > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
            Harner, an
            > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
            B F
            > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
            century
            > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
            anthropologist,
            > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
            Paget)
            > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
            Florence
            > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
            during
            > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
            soldiers
            > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
            was done to
            > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
            preserver
            > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
            Sun of
            > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
            fever, who
            > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
            of "Three
            > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
            > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
            the
            > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
            Neptune were
            > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
            MIC gas
            > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
            > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
            test it;
            > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
            industrial
            > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
            the March,
            > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
            reached
            > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
            considered this
            > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
            Europe
            > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
            that the
            > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
            distribution and
            > inoculations followed immediately.
            >
            > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
            >
            > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
            trauma
            > medicine
            > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
            motivations of
            > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
            > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
            I'm not
            > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
            > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
            will see
            > that his first healing was with an herb
            > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
            rethinking
            > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
            > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
            stockpiles of
            > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
            > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
            > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
            > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
            fabbed
            > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
            > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
            future.
            > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
            > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
            buzz
            > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
            > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
            there
            > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
            > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
            multinationals
            > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
            > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
            > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
            >
            > Comments?
            >
            > Love, Diana
            >
            > Website: http://ye-stars.com
            >
          • mahtezcatpoc
            ... She *is* 81 years old. ... Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich
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              --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "msbhavens1" <msbhavens1@...> wrote:
              >
              > Also of interest, Queen Elizabeth II was inaugerated 17 april 1956,
              > shortly before her birthday, with a 26 Leo pluto, It is rather
              > plausible that it wont be too long before there is a change there as
              > well.


              She *is* 81 years old.



              >
              > Pluto RX goes back to 26 Sag in september of 2007 before turning
              > direct and heading to Capricorn, but notice the dip back into
              > Sagitarius in 2008 from june 15th to November 27th. This I think
              > makes a large case for one last old generation ruler in the US
              > elections possiblY?



              Or maybe a foretaste of things to come, like Timothy McVeigh blowing
              up the federal building in Oklahoma City and Newt Gingrich preparing a
              showdown with Bill Clinton when Pluto first entered Sagittarius in 1995.

              But maybe Pluto's alignment with the Galactic Center gives this
              ingress a little more significance.


              Mark A. Holmes


              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In thefixedstars@yahoogroups.com, "Diana K Rosenberg"
              > <fixed.stars@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Brian sent
              > >
              > > >B> It's interesting that you mention Valley Forge, that's where i
              > > >completed my training in the operating room. Pluto entered tropical
              > > >Capricorn on 8 Jan 1762, conj Mercury, as Saturn and Uranus
              > > >conjoined at 5+ Aries. So the ingress of Pluto into Cap in 1762 set
              > > >up the energies for overthrow of the existing paradigm (British
              > > >Empire) by new ideas with strong humanist vaues. When Pluto enters
              > > >Cap in 2009 Saturn in VI will be 180 Uranus in PI. This is likely
              > to
              > > >I see this as the polarization of traditional culture with the
              > > >emergent culture that's really in it's infancy now, if not
              > prenatal.
              > > >The current attempt by the bushies et al foreshadow future attempts
              > > >at domination by ambitious would-be dictators.
              > > ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
              > > This exchange of messages, about Pluto entering Cap, set me thinking
              > > about the stars behind the tropical 0 Cap area that Pluto will
              > visit,
              > > and what they might tell us.
              > >
              > > Pluto will get to 0 Cap 00 00 at 2:38 AM UT Jan 26 2008; it will be
              > > at RA 18 00, Lat 6N17 which will put it under and just past Cluster
              > M23,
              > > above the bow and arrow of the Sagittarius Archer and beneath the
              > right hand
              > > of Ophiuchus clutching Serpens, the Serpent.
              > >
              > > The closest moderately bright (i.e. visually accessible) stars here
              > are
              > >
              > > Sinistra Nu Ophiuchi/Serpens right hand 29SA51 (2008)
              > > (misnamed, for Sinistra means "left," but this is in the right hand
              > of
              > > Ophiuchus, grasping Serpens)
              > > and
              > > Spiculum M20 Trifid Nebula Sagittarius 0CP42 (2008)
              >
              > > NGC 6514 diffuse nebula in front of upper part of Archer's bow
              > >
              > > These give us the major messages of Ophiuchus and Sagittarius, the
              > Shaman
              > > and the Archer, the
              > > healer and the warrior. To the Greeks, Ophiuchus was Aesculapius,
              > God of
              > > Medicine.
              > > It is interesting, in this regard, that with Pluto already in this
              > area
              > > there have
              > > been several news stories about the remarkable progress being made
              > in
              > > battlefield medicine, and the
              > > resulting strain on veterans' medical facilities because of the
              > unexpected
              > > number of surviving wounded.
              > >
              > > Here is one paragraph from my book, under Sinistra:
              > >
              > > Shaman-physician Ophiuchus and his writhing Serpent represent the
              > healing
              > > professions: this was Venus of 16th-century itinerant physician and
              > > alchemist Paracelsus (Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast Von
              > > Hohenheim!), Saturn of 18th-century natural historian, anatomist
              > and Prof of
              > > Medicine Johann Blumenbach, physician-bacteriologist Jules Bordet
              > and
              > > psychiatrist Alfred Adler, Neptune of 19th-century physician Dr
              > Ignaz
              > > Semmelweiss (in a childbirth clinic where women were dying of
              > puerperal
              > > fever; he found that if doctors washed their hands before
              > delivering babies,
              > > the death rate dropped precipitously, thus becoming the discoverer
              > of
              > > antisepsis (he was ignored and died insane), NNode of physician-
              > virologist
              > > Frank M Burnet and pioneer 18th-century educator of deaf-mutes
              > Thomas
              > > Gallaudet (and this was Mercury and Jupiter of 19th-century Laura
              > Bridgman,
              > > made blind, deaf and mute at 2 by scarlet fever; taught to read by
              > touch,
              > > she was able to teach others) (Scorpius was considered one of
              > the "mute"
              > > constellations), SNode of psychiatrist-philosopher-author R D
              > Laing, the Sun
              > > at the 1971 founding of MSF, Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors
              > Without
              > > Borders), an independent international medical relief agency run by
              > > volunteers to aid victims of war, epidemics and disasters; the Moon
              > in 1967
              > > at the start of the 1st heart transplant in Capetown, SA; Mars
              > (culminating
              > > at Athens) at the 430 BCE Summer Solstice; in the 2nd year of the
              > Great
              > > Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta a terrible epidemic
              > (disease
              > > unknown) devastated the crowded, beseiged citizens of Athens; about
              > one half
              > > of the population died, causing a total breakdown of morale: "the
              > Great
              > > Plague of Athens undoubtedly contributed to the downfall of the
              > Athenian
              > > empire," Jupiter in 1948 when, for several days, the coal-mining
              > community
              > > of Donora, PA suffered a combination of toxic industrial smoke and
              > fog that
              > > killed 20 and made 6,000 ill, Neptune in 1984 when a CO2 gas burst
              > from
              > > crater Lake Monoun, Cameroon fatally poisoned 37 villagers, the
              > Asc at St
              > > George, UT, 135 miles due east of a Nevada nuclear test site, at
              > the June,
              > > 1954 New Moon when filming started on "The Conqueror;" as of 1984,
              > 91 of
              > > 220 cast and crew (41%) had developed cancer, and most of these
              > died -
              > > including John Wayne, Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead, Pedro
              > Armandirez, and
              > > director Dick Powell, Jupiter when the World Health Organization
              > was founded
              > > in 1948, the NNode (cnj Pallas) at the 1955 announcement at Ann
              > Arbor, MI
              > > that the Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe and effective: the
              > > government immediately ordered mass distribution and inoculations.
              > Saturn
              > > and the SNode were here, respectively, at the incorporations of
              > > pharmaceutical companies Smith Kline and Merck.
              > >
              > > At the beginning of tropical Cap, which overlays the stars of the
              > original
              > > Sagittarius Archer, a warrior figure:
              > > (positions 2008)
              > >
              > > Tau Ophiuchi right hand/Serpent's tail 0CP53
              > > with Sinistra (29SA), right hand of Ophiuchus gripping the Serpent
              > > Red Spider Nebula NGC 6537 Sagittarius 1CP20
              > > near top of Archer's bow; the core is "one of the hottest known
              > stars in
              > > the universe"
              > > Al Nasl Gamma Sagittarii arrow tip 1CP22
              > > Nushaba;
              > > Polaris Australis Sigma Octantis Octant 1CP58
              > > dim, but the nearest visible star to the South Celestial Pole
              > >
              > > I have a paragraph here that relates to war and weaponry (and a 2nd
              > > paragraph that continues Ophiuchus' theme)
              > >
              > > Sagittarius, sacred to Nergal (Mars), was called "The Giant King of
              > War" and
              > > Al Nasl is the tip of his aimed arrow: this was Mercury and Venus
              > of WWI
              > > British Adm John R Jellicoe whose particular interest was naval
              > gunnery,
              > > Saturn of his patron, First Sea Lord Adm John Fisher, a fanatic
              > champion of
              > > improved weapons, weapon training and gunnery practice on ships.
              > Austere,
              > > humorless, reactionary WWI German Gen'l Erich von Ludendorff
              > (racist,
              > > anti-semitic, anti-Jesuit) had Jupiter here; this was Saturn of
              > 19th-century
              > > soldier, seaman, journalist and explorer Henry M Stanley (raised in
              > a harsh
              > > workhouse). According to the Liber Hermetis, the tip of the
              > Archer's arrow
              > > "makes bowmen" and Ptolemy has it as "harmful;" this was Pluto of
              > > Jean-Charles Pichegru, general in the French Revolutionary Wars
              > (conspired
              > > against Napoleon, found strangled by his cravat - whether suicide
              > or murder
              > > is uncertain), Asc of US Marine Private Luther Skaggs, WWII Medal
              > of Honor
              > > winner (although severely wounded, he held a vital position for 8
              > hours
              > > against Japanese assaults), Mars at the Solar Ecl preceding the
              > 1242 "Battle
              > > on the Ice" when Russians under Alexander Nevsky defeated invading
              > Teutonic
              > > Knights, the NNode at the 1415 Battle of Agincourt: 5,000 English
              > longbowmen
              > > (Archers!), outnumbered 3 to 1, devastated heavily-armored French
              > cavalry -
              > > "one of the great victories of military history," the SNode at a
              > total Solar
              > > Ecl during a battle at the Halys River in N Central Turkey, 585
              > BCE: the
              > > day-turned-into-night so terrified the Medes and Lydians that they
              > made
              > > peace on the spot! This was the MC when Confederate artillery fired
              > on Fort
              > > Sumter, SC in 1861, starting the US Civil War, Mars at the Aries
              > Ingress of
              > > 1939, exactly square the Sun (cnj the Vertex at Berlin), presaging
              > WWII
              > > which began less than 6 months later, and Mars at the 9/11/2001
              > Islamic
              > > terrorist hijacked-airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and
              > Pentagon
              > > (the Sun and Uranus had been here at the 1988 Lockerbie plane crash
              > caused
              > > by a terrorist bomb). One of the Archer's epithets in ancient
              > Mesopotamia
              > > was Pa-Bil-Sag, "Fire-Arrow-Archer" - the tip of his arrow is here:
              > this was
              > > the NNode at the opening of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics when a
              > champion
              > > Spanish archer shot a flaming arrow to light the Olympic torch!
              > >
              > > Medical concerns of Ophiuchus and his Serpent continue: this was
              > Mercury of
              > > 19th-century surgeon and physiologist Dr James Paget, one of the
              > founders of
              > > the science of pathology (one of 18 children - only 8 survived to
              > > adulthood), Mars of 19th-century pioneer anaesthesiologist-
              > epidemiologist Dr
              > > John Snow, famous for his study of the cholera-contaminated London
              > water
              > > supply, of surgeon and forensic pathologist Dr Joseph Bell, whose
              > powers of
              > > observation and deduction inspired his student Doyle's literary
              > character
              > > Sherlock Holmes, chiropractic founder D D Palmer and
              > > surgeon-environmentalist Dr David Steinhardt, a specialist in
              > occupational
              > > medicine, Jupiter of 17th-century physician-astrologer-herbalist
              > Nicholas
              > > Culpepper (died at 37 of tuberculosis), Saturn of public health
              > librarian
              > > Gloria Bertcher (died of Alzheimers) and anthropologist Michael
              > Harner, an
              > > expert on shamanism (Ophiuchus!), Uranus of behavioral psychologist
              > B F
              > > Skinner and 15th-century physician-botanist Julius C Scaliger, 18th-
              > century
              > > physiologist Luigi Galvani and pathologist, hygienist,
              > anthropologist,
              > > political leader and archaeologist Dr Karl Virchow, a founder (with
              > Paget)
              > > of cellular pathology, and 19th-century public health pioneer
              > Florence
              > > Nightingale, "founder of modern nursing" who ministered to soldiers
              > during
              > > the Crimean War (until she undertook her life's mission, wounded
              > soldiers
              > > were left to either die or heal on their own - virtually nothing
              > was done to
              > > help them!), NNode of Mohegan medicine woman Gladys Tantaquidgeon,
              > preserver
              > > of tribal history and healing skills (lived to 105). This was the
              > Sun of
              > > 19th-century Laura Bridgman, made blind and deaf at 2 by scarlet
              > fever, who
              > > was taught to read by touch and was able to teach others, SNode
              > of "Three
              > > Faces of Eve" subject Chris Sizemore (multiple personalities), MC of
              > > psychiatrist, philosopher and author R D Laing. Ptolemy mentioned
              > the
              > > Archer's Arrow-tip in connection with blindness: Mercury and
              > Neptune were
              > > here at the 1984 Bhopal, India Union Carbide disaster when deadly
              > MIC gas
              > > killed more than 3,400 and blinded and crippled 200,000 more
              > > (methylisocyanate is so deadly that toxicologists had not dared to
              > test it;
              > > thus doctors had no guidelines to treat the victims) - "the worst
              > industrial
              > > disaster in history" (Serpens: poison). This was the Paris MC of
              > the March,
              > > 1345 Mars-Jupiter cnj just before the Black Death (bubonic plague)
              > reached
              > > Europe: the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Paris
              > considered this
              > > cnj the cause of the great pandemic that killed about 25 million in
              > Europe
              > > and untold numbers elsewhere, the NNode in 1955 at the announcement
              > that the
              > > Salk Polio Vaccine had been found safe an effective: mass
              > distribution and
              > > inoculations followed immediately.
              > >
              > > Going over these, it seems to me that Pluto entering this area will
              > >
              > > a) continue the remarkable gains in battlefield (& by extension)
              > trauma
              > > medicine
              > > b) encourage deeper research (Pluto) into the psychological
              > motivations of
              > > warmongers and by extention all killers and aggressors
              > > with the possibility of mandated chemical (drug) interventions --
              > I'm not
              > > saying I favor this, I just think Pluto will bring this more and
              > > more to the forefront, and if you read the myth of Aesculapius, you
              > will see
              > > that his first healing was with an herb
              > > c) since the Archer has to do with warfare and weaponry, a TOTAL
              > rethinking
              > > (already underway, I think) about how wars will be
              > > fought in the future. No more massed armies at the border,
              > stockpiles of
              > > hugely powerful weapons, phalanxes of heavily armored
              > > troops etc. These are ineffective against guerrilla fighters - so
              > > ultrasophisticated spy gadgets, electronic
              > > monitoring, small, highly-trained units of infiltrators, and pre-
              > fabbed
              > > encampments that can be flown in, set up, barricaded, and used
              > > as central HQ's for actions and raids are the probable wave of the
              > future.
              > > (And see that little Red Spider Nebula? They are working
              > > on tiny mechanical "spy bugs" that can fly in and sit on a wall, or
              > buzz
              > > over a battle zone unnoticed!)
              > > d) Since a key word for Pluto is "drastic" and Pluto = plutocrats,
              > there
              > > will be more and more of a recognition that the world is not
              > > run by governments, but by corporations. And some of the huge
              > multinationals
              > > will simply side-step rules and regulations and set up
              > > "corpornations" of their own. Whether governments, as they are now
              > > constituted, can compete or deal with this is yet to be seen.
              > >
              > > Comments?
              > >
              > > Love, Diana
              > >
              > > Website: http://ye-stars.com
              > >
              >
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