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  • Diana K Rosenberg
    These are e-mails from the Political Astrology list that I thought others might like to see. Antonio sent: Re: Brazilian crash data Posted by: Antonio Harres
    Message 1 of 2 , Oct 1, 2006
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      Brazil plane crash

      These are e-mails from the Political Astrology list that I thought
      others might like to see.

      Antonio sent:

      Re: Brazilian crash data
          Posted by: "Antonio Harres" kauborealis@... kauborealis
          Date: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:32 pm (PDT)

      09/29
      03:35 hs PM  Manaus - Take Off
      04:48 hs PM  Off Radar Screen - Sao Felix - Mato Grosso
      The crashed airplane entered in service 09/12

      Gol Airlines
      Incorporated 08/01/2000
      First fight     01/15/2001 from Brasilia to Sao Paulo

      First GOL flight from Manaus to Rio
      10/01/2002 - 01:50 AM Take Off

      There is no data available about the Legacy Jet take off from Sao Jose dos Campos, Sao Paulo state.

      Antonio Harres
      ==========================
      Thank you Antonio!

      I always try to get the scheduled take-off times of crashes because that is where
      the fate of the aircraft usually shows.

      Here there is the actual take-off time but not the scheduled time.

      At first I did not see the problem - yes, there's the Moon square Venus (ruler 8th) and 
      Pluto square the Nodes, but is this enough to predict disaster?

      I tried earlier times, guessing what the scheduled take-off time might have been - anywhere
      from 3 to 3:30, perhaps; there you would have had the IC at Algol, then the Pleiades, both
      harbingers of disaster;  (the IC is the 1st thing I look at, because that rules "the final physical
      outcome of the matter")

      But even if we stick strictly to the actual take-off, 4 Gemini is on the IC - that's the Hyades
      cluster which can be quite brutal (and, by the way, it's the highest-scoring fixed star area for blindness!) And anything at 4 degrees of the mutable signs hits the heliocentric Nodes of Neptune, and the Moon-Pluto conjunction is on this same axis, The take-off Asc was 0 Pisces 43, which means that Transpluto at 28 Leo 06 was cnj the Desc, which according to Barbara Watters, rules "encounters along the way" - in this case a collision.  While working on the chart, I realized that right now we have Hades-Kronos = Aries!  Charles Emerson used to say that Hades-Kronos = elevators, because Hades was "down below" and Kronos was "height" or "above"-- obviously we can relate this to airplanes as well.

      But I still did not see a clear-and-obvious danger here, so I went ahead and ran a chart for the "off the radar"
      time and place, and Oh Boy, does that tell the tale!  All 4 angles were at 29 - 58 of the mutables: 29 Pisces 58 rising (star Scheat, "extreme misfortune"), the 29 Sag 20 Moon culminating, the 29 Virgo 19 Venus cnj the Desc, cnj the Vertex ("things out of control in the environment") at 0 Libra 02 - so there's your collision - see Barbara Watters, above.  And the IC? Bracketed by Hades and Kronos - the IC was 29 Gemini 58 - the exact Hades - Kronos midpoint was 0 Libra 07.  At both the take-off and the crash, Mercury ruled the IC; Mercury was 135 Uranus, co-ruler of the take-off 12th (the other 12th ruler, Saturn, was semi-square the Sun, and both were on the axis of the nodes of Uranus).  And Jupiter, co-chart ruler at both take-off and crash was 18 Scorpio 16, on the heliocentric SNode of Mercury, square Neptune, the other ruler.

      Those late degrees of signs (last 3-5 degrees, usually) are in the terms of either Mars or Saturn, in the Table of Dignities given by Lilly: in this case it was Gemini, Virgo and Sag crash angles in the terms of Mars, Pisces Asc in the terms of Saturn.  So at the take-off, both Venus (ruler 8th) and the Moon were in the dangerous terms of Mars.

      So sad.

      Again, many thanks, Antonio.  May I send this to Astrolife and the Uranian list?

      Love, Diana
      =======================
      Antonio sent:

      Re: Brazilian crash
          Posted by: "Antonio Harres" kauborealis@... kauborealis
          Date: Sun Oct 1, 2006 6:07 am (PDT)

      Hi Diana,

      The flight was scheduled for 03:30 PM.
      =======================
      Thank you!

      The one major change was the Asc-Desc axis, which were
      29 Aquar 26 - 29 Leo 26 (both in the terms of Mars);
      this means that the rulers were Saturn (w/Uranus) and the Sun.

      Both were (are) in poor cosmic state, were semi-square each other,
      and on the axis of the nodes of Uranus (please note that Saturn is now
      opposite 9/11's Uranus - just realized that!)  If you prefer Uranus as
      the only ruler of Aquarius, it was, as I mentioned, 135 Mercury, ruler
      IC-of-final-outcome.

      The solstice point of the Sun was 23 Pisces 29, cnj /opposing Nodes and
      square Pluto;

      By the way, that position of Mercury is aligned with an obsolete constellation
      "Robur Carolinum" - "Charles' Oak" which was made out of dim stars of Argo Navis.
      I always keep it in mind because it's the only tree in the sky.  Here it is
      interesting because Mercury rules the final outcome, and they landed in the jungle!

      I just remembered that Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson wrote that anything in the
      last degree of a sign denoted someone "at the end of his rope"
      or something "on the way out," and one example of this that I remember
      was the lunation that preceded JFK's assassination - Mercury ruled the
      MC at Washington, and Mercury was in the 3rd at 29 Scorpio.

      Love, Diana

      PS: Antonio has also sent data on the airlines and the pilots - if anyone wants
      it, let me know.


    • Mark Andrew Holmes
      down at the bottom ... Go ahead, and if you see any fixed star alignments that you think are relevant in this situation, let me know. Everybody: I m sorry I
      Message 2 of 2 , Oct 2, 2006
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        down at the bottom

        --- Diana K Rosenberg <fixed.stars@...> wrote:

        > These are e-mails from the Political Astrology list
        > that I thought
        > others might like to see.
        >
        > Antonio sent:
        >
        > Re: Brazilian crash data
        > Posted by: "Antonio Harres"
        > kauborealis@... kauborealis
        > Date: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:32 pm (PDT)
        >
        > 09/29
        > 03:35 hs PM Manaus - Take Off
        > 04:48 hs PM Off Radar Screen - Sao Felix - Mato
        > Grosso
        > The crashed airplane entered in service 09/12
        >
        > Gol Airlines
        > Incorporated 08/01/2000
        > First fight 01/15/2001 from Brasilia to Sao
        > Paulo
        >
        > First GOL flight from Manaus to Rio
        > 10/01/2002 - 01:50 AM Take Off
        >
        > There is no data available about the Legacy Jet take
        > off from Sao Jose dos
        > Campos, Sao Paulo state.
        >
        > Antonio Harres
        > ==========================
        > Thank you Antonio!
        >
        > I always try to get the scheduled take-off times of
        > crashes because that is
        > where
        > the fate of the aircraft usually shows.
        >
        > Here there is the actual take-off time but not the
        > scheduled time.
        >
        > At first I did not see the problem - yes, there's
        > the Moon square Venus
        > (ruler 8th) and
        > Pluto square the Nodes, but is this enough to
        > predict disaster?
        >
        > I tried earlier times, guessing what the scheduled
        > take-off time might have
        > been - anywhere
        > from 3 to 3:30, perhaps; there you would have had
        > the IC at Algol, then the
        > Pleiades, both
        > harbingers of disaster; (the IC is the 1st thing I
        > look at, because that
        > rules "the final physical
        > outcome of the matter")
        >
        > But even if we stick strictly to the actual
        > take-off, 4 Gemini is on the IC
        > - that's the Hyades
        > cluster which can be quite brutal (and, by the way,
        > it's the highest-scoring
        > fixed star area for blindness!) And anything at 4
        > degrees of the mutable
        > signs hits the heliocentric Nodes of Neptune, and
        > the Moon-Pluto conjunction
        > is on this same axis, The take-off Asc was 0 Pisces
        > 43, which means that
        > Transpluto at 28 Leo 06 was cnj the Desc, which
        > according to Barbara
        > Watters, rules "encounters along the way" - in this
        > case a collision. While
        > working on the chart, I realized that right now we
        > have Hades-Kronos =
        > Aries! Charles Emerson used to say that
        > Hades-Kronos = elevators, because
        > Hades was "down below" and Kronos was "height" or
        > "above"-- obviously we can
        > relate this to airplanes as well.
        >
        > But I still did not see a clear-and-obvious danger
        > here, so I went ahead and
        > ran a chart for the "off the radar"
        > time and place, and Oh Boy, does that tell the tale!
        > All 4 angles were at
        > 29 - 58 of the mutables: 29 Pisces 58 rising (star
        > Scheat, "extreme
        > misfortune"), the 29 Sag 20 Moon culminating, the 29
        > Virgo 19 Venus cnj the
        > Desc, cnj the Vertex ("things out of control in the
        > environment") at 0 Libra
        > 02 - so there's your collision - see Barbara
        > Watters, above. And the IC?
        > Bracketed by Hades and Kronos - the IC was 29 Gemini
        > 58 - the exact Hades -
        > Kronos midpoint was 0 Libra 07. At both the
        > take-off and the crash, Mercury
        > ruled the IC; Mercury was 135 Uranus, co-ruler of
        > the take-off 12th (the
        > other 12th ruler, Saturn, was semi-square the Sun,
        > and both were on the axis
        > of the nodes of Uranus). And Jupiter, co-chart
        > ruler at both take-off and
        > crash was 18 Scorpio 16, on the heliocentric SNode
        > of Mercury, square
        > Neptune, the other ruler.
        >
        > Those late degrees of signs (last 3-5 degrees,
        > usually) are in the terms of
        > either Mars or Saturn, in the Table of Dignities
        > given by Lilly: in this
        > case it was Gemini, Virgo and Sag crash angles in
        > the terms of Mars, Pisces
        > Asc in the terms of Saturn. So at the take-off,
        > both Venus (ruler 8th) and
        > the Moon were in the dangerous terms of Mars.
        >
        > So sad.
        >
        > Again, many thanks, Antonio. May I send this to
        > Astrolife and the Uranian
        > list?
        >
        > Love, Diana
        > =======================
        > Antonio sent:
        >
        > Re: Brazilian crash
        > Posted by: "Antonio Harres"
        > kauborealis@... kauborealis
        > Date: Sun Oct 1, 2006 6:07 am (PDT)
        >
        > Hi Diana,
        >
        > The flight was scheduled for 03:30 PM.
        > =======================
        > Thank you!
        >
        > The one major change was the Asc-Desc axis, which
        > were
        > 29 Aquar 26 - 29 Leo 26 (both in the terms of Mars);
        >
        > this means that the rulers were Saturn (w/Uranus)
        > and the Sun.
        >
        > Both were (are) in poor cosmic state, were
        > semi-square each other,
        > and on the axis of the nodes of Uranus (please note
        > that Saturn is now
        > opposite 9/11's Uranus - just realized that!) If
        > you prefer Uranus as
        > the only ruler of Aquarius, it was, as I mentioned,
        > 135 Mercury, ruler
        > IC-of-final-outcome.
        >
        > The solstice point of the Sun was 23 Pisces 29, cnj
        > /opposing Nodes and
        > square Pluto;
        >
        > By the way, that position of Mercury is aligned with
        > an obsolete
        > constellation
        > "Robur Carolinum" - "Charles' Oak" which was made
        > out of dim stars of Argo
        > Navis.
        > I always keep it in mind because it's the only tree
        > in the sky. Here it is
        > interesting because Mercury rules the final outcome,
        > and they landed in the
        > jungle!
        >
        > I just remembered that Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson wrote
        > that anything in the
        > last degree of a sign denoted someone "at the end of
        > his rope"
        > or something "on the way out," and one example of
        > this that I remember
        > was the lunation that preceded JFK's assassination -
        > Mercury ruled the
        > MC at Washington, and Mercury was in the 3rd at 29
        > Scorpio.
        >
        > Love, Diana
        >
        > PS: Antonio has also sent data on the airlines and
        > the pilots - if anyone
        > wants
        > it, let me know.
        >
        >
        >

        Go ahead, and if you see any fixed star alignments
        that you think are relevant in this situation, let me
        know.


        Everybody: I'm sorry I don't have the weekly alignment
        list posted yet, but there was some kind of problem
        with my ISP yesterday; I couldn't get online. I'll try
        to have it posted today.


        Mark A. Holmes

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