Hi Folks, In an earlier post I contrasted two quotes that contradict, writing that both were from Bart Ehrman, even to the point of saying Ehrman vs. Ehrman .
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, Dec 8, 2011
In an earlier post I contrasted two quotes that contradict, writing that
both were from Bart Ehrman, even to the point of saying "Ehrman vs.
Misquoting Jesus: the story behind who
changed the Bible and why (2007)
Bart D. Ehrman
http://books.google.com/books?id=sxNgpHuQdf4C&pg=PA72 Moreover, in the early centuries of the church, some locales had
better scribes than others. Modern scholars have come to recognize
that the scribes in Alexandria which was a major intellectual
center in the ancient worldwere particularly scrupulous, even in
these early centuries, and that there, in Alexandria, a very pure
form or the text of the early Christian writings was preserved, decade
after decade, by dedicated and relatively skilled Christian
Modern scholars recognize.... the scribes in Alexandria ,,,
particularly scrupulous, ... early centuries ... in
Alexandria ... decade after decade
The Text of the New Testament in
Contemporary Research: Essays on the Status Quaestionis (1995)
Scribal Tendencies in the The Transmission of the Text
... the case of P75 shows clearly that at least some scribes were capable
of care. Nonetheless,
the other substantial early papyri show just as clearly that as
a rule early scribes did not exercise the care evidenced in later
The second quote, the accurate historical
quote, is actually not from Bart Ehrman. Ehrman was the editor of the
book in which the quote appears, however the second quote is
from the paper by James Ronald Royse, who has done pioneering study
in the papyri - scribal habits question.
My apologies for the citation error.
Whether it lessens the Bart Ehrman difficulty is not at all clear, since
the quote and background of Royse is so strong. In a couple of
posts, Bart Ehrman never addressed the papyri scribal issue, the dubious
claim of decade after decade, particularly
scrupulous scribes. Instead, Bart vaguely
referred to his study on another topic, the text of Didymus.
However, it should be made 100% clear that the two quotes above were not
directly both Bart Ehrman.
Ironically, Daniel Wallace uses the Bart
Ehrman quote to try to support his Alexandrian Critical Text NT defense
-- as a reasonably pure BIble.
Second Century Papyri
http://bible.org/article/second-century-papyri ... the Alexandrian stream of transmission, a stream that most
scholars would regard as the best group of witnesses to the original text
of the NT. Even Ehrman has said as much: Modern scholars have come to
recognize that the scribes in Alexandria were particularly scrupulous,
even in these early centuries, and that there, in Alexandria, a very pure
form of the text of the early Christian writings was preserved, decade
after decade, by dedicated and relatively skilled Christian scribes
(Bart D. Ehrman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story behind Who Changed the
Bible and Why ..
And then, in a reverse back-flip, Bart
Ehrman goes against his own quote above, properly pointing out that the
papyri are not reliable or consistent. Here is an example from a
discussion in a Bart Ehrman debate with James White. (This is reported on
an Islamist site, the report looks straightforward.)