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  • Stephen C. Carlson
    ... It depends on where you are in Alabama. If you are in Mobile, for example, the Center for New Testament Textual Studies, headed by Bill Warren, is at the
    Message 1 of 20 , Mar 15 10:52 AM
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      At 05:23 PM 3/15/2005 +0000, P.J. Williams wrote:
      >What institutions are there within the state of Alabama or its surrounding
      >states where there are faculty who specialise in textual criticism?

      It depends on where you are in Alabama. If you are in Mobile,
      for example, the Center for New Testament Textual Studies,
      headed by Bill Warren, is at the New Orleans Baptist Theological
      Seminary, is only about 150 miles away, even though is not,
      technically speaking, in a neighboring state.

      http://www.nobts.edu/CNTTS/MoreInformation.html

      Stephen Carlson

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    • malcolm robertson
      Greetings all, In light of Peter s remarks (with which I concur) the question naturally arises (should arise) with which reading are these early collators
      Message 2 of 20 , Mar 15 10:56 AM
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        Greetings all,
         
        In light of Peter's remarks  (with which I concur)  the question naturally arises (should arise) with which reading are these early collators interacting?  It seems unclear to me that they are solely concerned with theos/os.
         
        Nevertheless, syntactically (intrinsic) the relative hos is to be preferred.  The external evidence concurs.
         
        Cordially in Christ,
         
        Malcolm 

        Peter Head <pmh15@...> wrote:

        At 07:21 PM 3/11/05, Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) wrote:


        >I just read this most interesting (but wholly undocumented) claim at:
        >
        >http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/ScottJones/false_citations.htm
        >
        >********
        >
        >
        >Does anyone know what the "technological evidence produced by Milne and
        >Skeat" is that this author is referring to?  Do they ever make the
        >claims attributed to them above?  If so, where?

        Milne & Skeat examined a few passages using an ultra-violet lamp (famously
        the end of John's gospel); and they did argue that both the A and B groups
        of correctors were part of the work of the scriptorium. BUT they didn't
        pronounce on this passage, they didn't discuss corrections of a doctrinal
        significance, so it is all a bit garbled I'm afraid.
        It is worth noting that notwithstanding all the rubbish and rhetoric the
        discussion actually confirms the accuracy of NA on Sinaiticus at 1 Tim
        3.16: original OS, corrector QEOS. [NB with QE interlinear above and before
        OS] [? was this correction later deleted??]


        Incidentally they are also wrong on Alexandrinus (although in principle I'd
        accept that early writers might preserve information which ought to be
        borne in mind).The reason so many early scholars were arguing about it was
        that the manuscript wasn't regarded as clear at this point. I'm not so sure
        that Wettstein should be taken as supporting the QS reading for
        Alexandrinus. Certainly Woide (1786) was undecided and printed it as
        undecided, not as a clear nomen sacrum; and there was no unanimity among
        readers of the manuscript in his day. In Woide's preface he refers
        sympathetically to the solution that the line in the OMICRON is a
        bleed-through from ESEBIAN on the other side, since the upper line of the
        NS is clearly not the normal A line for NS.
        My view: NA correct to say that for Alexandrinus original: OS, correction
        QS (nomen sacrum).

        Peter


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      • mjriii2003
        Dear P.J., 1. W.F. Warren - a participant on this list - is at the following: http://www.nobts.edu/ wfwarren@aol.com 2. In addition Emory University in
        Message 3 of 20 , Mar 15 1:23 PM
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          Dear P.J.,

          1. W.F. Warren - a participant on this list - is at the following:

          http://www.nobts.edu/

          wfwarren@...

          2. In addition Emory University in Atlanta, GA is rather enclined so
          to speak. Religion and Technology Center at Emory University headed
          by James R. Adair.

          http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/TC.html

          http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/Ebind/docs/TC/

          http://alpha.reltech.org:8080/

          3. In Dallas, TX Daniel B. Wallace Executive Director,
          Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts

          csntm.org

          Cordially in Christ,

          Malcolm

          --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, "P.J. Williams"
          <p.j.williams@a...> wrote:
          >
          > What institutions are there within the state of Alabama or its
          surrounding
          > states where there are faculty who specialise in textual criticism?
          >
          > Thanks,
          >
          > P.J. Williams
          >
          > ------------
          > Dr P.J. Williams
          > Lecturer in New Testament
          > School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
          > University of Aberdeen, AB24 3UB
          > p.j.williams@a...
          >
          > noli esse incredulus sed fidelis IOH. XX xxvii
        • Jan Krans
          ... In his NTG Wettstein actually describes how the solution referred to by Woide (and Peter) was found by him and an old friend of his (see his NTG, part I,
          Message 4 of 20 , Mar 15 3:31 PM
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            Peter Head wrote:

            > I'm not so sure that Wettstein should be taken as supporting the QS
            > reading for
            > Alexandrinus. Certainly Woide (1786) was undecided and printed it as
            > undecided, not as a clear nomen sacrum; and there was no unanimity among
            > readers of the manuscript in his day. In Woide's preface he refers
            > sympathetically to the solution that the line in the OMICRON is a
            > bleed-through from ESEBIAN on the other side, since the upper line of the
            > NS is clearly not the normal A line for NS.

            In his NTG Wettstein actually describes how the solution referred to by
            Woide (and Peter) was found by him and an 'old friend' of his (see his
            NTG, part I, Prolegomena, pp. 19-22, esp. p. 22; cf. NTG II ad 1 Tim
            3:16). A fascinating story and a good read. I can post it here or put it
            on my site if someone is interested.

            In conclusion: Wettstein's (real or imaginary) friend found the
            aforementioned solution; thus the theta in A is both real and imaginary.
            According to Wettstein, without any doubt, A* read(s) OS.

            BTW, Wettstein himself preferred the reading ὅ (hO) (see NTG II a.h.l.),
            following D*, the Vulgate etc., and also Erasmus - who suspected some kind
            of "orthodox corruption of scripture" here -, Grotius and Newton (nice
            company). Followed by more than five pages of apparatus in which he
            discusses the history of the reading θεός (QEOS). Again a fascinating
            story.

            Greetings,
            Jan Krans
            Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam
          • Countach
            ... Unless those faded lines is a letter showing through from the other side as Tichendorf strongly claimed. I would have thought examination with a microscope
            Message 5 of 20 , Mar 15 4:00 PM
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              AndysDad wrote:

              > Therefore, any modern collator is going to assign these
              > codices to the column supporting the OS reading. And rightfully so,
              > were it not a matter of historical record that collators of past
              > centuries were still able to read these faded lines, and even
              > predicted that they would soon become altogether invisible.


              Unless those faded lines is a letter showing through from the other side
              as Tichendorf strongly claimed.

              I would have thought examination with a microscope or something might
              shed light on whether the type of scratches made by the original hand
              exist here.
            • WFWarren@aol.com
              We are not too far from Alabama here in New Orleans. Otherwise, I would think the best settings would be in North Carolina either with Bart Ehrman at UNC
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 15 5:13 PM
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                We are not too far from Alabama here in New Orleans.  Otherwise, I would think the best settings would be in North Carolina either with Bart Ehrman at UNC Chapel Hill or at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary with Maurice Robinson.  While some other settings may be available, for NT studies these are perhaps the best options near Alabama. 

                paz,

                Bill Warren
                Center for New Testament Textual Studies, Director
                Landrum P. Leavell, II, Professor of NT and Greek
                New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary
                WWarren@...

                In a message dated 3/15/05 12:21:57 PM, p.j.williams@... writes:




                What institutions are there within the state of Alabama or its surrounding
                states where there are faculty who specialise in textual criticism?

                Thanks,

                P.J. Williams

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                Dr P.J. Williams
                Lecturer in New Testament
                School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
                University of Aberdeen, AB24 3UB
                p.j.williams@...

                noli esse incredulus sed fidelis IOH. XX xxvii






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              • P.J. Williams
                Thanks to all those who replied re Alabama - roughly confirming my guesses. Still it s good to have confirmation from that side of the pond. I ll advise my
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 16 1:30 AM
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                  Thanks to all those who replied re Alabama - roughly confirming my guesses.
                  Still it's good to have confirmation from that side of the pond. I'll
                  advise my enquirer accordingly.

                  Best wishes,

                  P.J. Williams

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                  Dr P.J. Williams
                  Lecturer in New Testament
                  School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
                  University of Aberdeen, AB24 3UB
                  p.j.williams@...

                  noli esse incredulus sed fidelis IOH. XX xxvii
                • P.J. Williams
                  Where is the cheapest place to buy the new Vaticanus facsimile? Does anyone know of possibilities below 4500 USD? Best wishes, Pete Williams ... Dr P.J.
                  Message 8 of 20 , Jun 3, 2005
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                    Where is the cheapest place to buy the new Vaticanus facsimile? Does anyone
                    know of possibilities below 4500 USD?

                    Best wishes,

                    Pete Williams

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                    Dr P.J. Williams
                    Lecturer in New Testament
                    School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
                    University of Aberdeen, AB24 3UB
                    p.j.williams@...

                    noli esse incredulus sed fidelis IOH. XX xxvii
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