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  • Minton, Ron
    I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the 100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to DC. Ron
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
      I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the
      100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
      DC.

      Ron Minton

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Michael Theophilos [mailto:michael.theophilos@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:18 AM
      To: textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [textualcriticism] Freer Gospels (W 032)




      Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
      Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be
      interested to
      know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in Mt, Lk
      and Jn.

      Kind regards

      Michael
      Oxford, UK.










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    • Jim West
      ... The SBL is in DC in 2006. -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog -
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
        Minton Ron wrote:

        >I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the
        >100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
        >DC.
        >

        The SBL is in DC in 2006.

        --
        Jim West

        Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
        Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com
      • Wieland Willker
        Henry A. Sanders 1912 Facsimile of the Washington Manuscript of the Four Gospels in the Freer Collection edition of 435 copies Ann Arbor: The University of
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
          Henry A. Sanders
          1912
          Facsimile of the Washington Manuscript of the Four Gospels in the Freer
          Collection
          edition of 435 copies
          Ann Arbor: The University of Michigan
          Henry A. Sanders: "Description of the Manuscript"
          Charles R. Morey: "The Painted Covers of the Manuscript"


          Best wishes
          Wieland
          <><
          ------------------------
          Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
          mailto:willker@...-bremen.de
          http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/
          Textcritical commentary:
          http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
        • Timothy Arthur Brown
          Hi Michael, Published photos of W 032 are to be found in a 1912 publication, a collotype facsimile edited by Henry A. Sanders entitled _Facsimile of the
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
            Hi Michael,

            Published photos of W 032 are to be found in a 1912 publication, a
            collotype facsimile edited by Henry A. Sanders entitled _Facsimile of
            the Washington Manuscript of the Gospels_. The images I've posted are
            scans from this publication. Any major university or seminary that
            existed in 1912 is likely to still have a copy of this facsimile in
            their collection as Charles Freer (buyer of the Freer MSS in 1906 and,
            later, the founder of the Smithsonian's Freer Gallery of Art) funded
            this publication personally and presented copies as gifts to major
            institutions of learning around the world.

            New imaging work has been done over the past few years, but none of this
            work has yet been published.

            T. A. Brown
            Franconia, New Hampshire USA


            Michael Theophilos wrote:

            >
            >
            > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
            > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I
            > would be interested to
            > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
            > Mt, Lk and Jn.
            >
            > Kind regards
            >
            > Michael
            > Oxford, UK.
            >
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          • Timothy Arthur Brown
            Hello Ron, You are correct in thinking that an SBL publication (on CD) has been planned to coincide with the 2006 SBL annual meetings in Washington, DC. I am
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
              Hello Ron,

              You are correct in thinking that an SBL publication (on CD) has been
              planned to coincide with the 2006 SBL annual meetings in
              Washington, DC. I am not, however, a representative of the SBL and more
              detail would probably have to be offered by an SBL official, perhaps
              Patrick Durusau.

              T. A. Brown
              Franconia, New Hampshire USA



              Minton, Ron wrote:

              >
              > I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction
              > with the
              > 100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
              > DC.
              >
              > Ron Minton
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Michael Theophilos
              > [mailto:michael.theophilos@...]
              > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:18 AM
              > To: textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [textualcriticism] Freer Gospels (W 032)
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
              > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be
              > interested to
              > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
              > Mt, Lk
              > and Jn.
              >
              > Kind regards
              >
              > Michael
              > Oxford, UK.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • malcolm robertson
              Dear Michael, Wieland posted a link to St. Mark s Gospel from the Freer collection awhile back. I m not sure whether you know of it or not. Here it is again.
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 2, 2005
                Dear Michael,
                 
                Wieland posted a link to St. Mark's Gospel from the Freer collection awhile back.  I'm not sure whether you know of it or not.  Here it is again.
                 
                 
                With best regards,
                 
                Malcolm
                  

                Michael Theophilos <michael.theophilos@...> wrote:


                Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
                Freer Gospels?  Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions?  I would be interested to
                know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in Mt, Lk and Jn.

                Kind regards

                Michael
                Oxford, UK.










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              • Timothy Arthur Brown
                Hi Michael, After responding to your question about published photographs, I reread your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions. Bruce
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 2, 2005
                  Hi Michael,

                  After responding to your question about published photographs, I reread
                  your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.

                  Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations of
                  two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about which
                  you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both transcriptions are
                  scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington, DC.

                  These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                  closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the spaces
                  which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing has
                  been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary to
                  use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.

                  T. A. Brown
                  Franconia, New Hampshire USA


                  Michael Theophilos wrote:

                  >
                  >
                  > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
                  > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I
                  > would be interested to
                  > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
                  > Mt, Lk and Jn.
                  >
                  > Kind regards
                  >
                  > Michael
                  > Oxford, UK.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • mr.scrivener
                  ... Dear Mr. Brown: In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                    --------------------
                    Dear Mr. Brown:

                    In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                    of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                    disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                    wondering how your projects are coming along.

                    ----------------------
                    Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                    discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                    (the Gospel mss)?

                    http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm

                    Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                    W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                    beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                    investigation and proper explanation.

                    Any ideas?

                    Curiosity is killing me here...
                    Eeyore



                    ------------------------------
                    --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                    <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi Michael,
                    >
                    > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                    reread
                    > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                    >
                    > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                    of
                    > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                    which
                    > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both
                    transcriptions are
                    > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                    DC.
                    >
                    > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                    > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                    spaces
                    > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                    has
                    > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                    to
                    > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                    >
                    > T. A. Brown
                    > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                    >
                    >
                  • Peter M. Head
                    ... Yes this is a fantastic discovery. ... Peter M. Head, PhD Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament Tyndale House 36 Selwyn Gardens Cambridge CB3
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                      >
                      >Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                      >discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                      >(the Gospel mss)?
                      >
                      >http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm
                      >
                      >Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                      >W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                      >beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                      >investigation and proper explanation.

                      Yes this is a fantastic discovery.


                      >

                      Peter M. Head, PhD
                      Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                      Tyndale House
                      36 Selwyn Gardens
                      Cambridge CB3 9BA
                      01223 566601
                    • Peter M. Head
                      OED: Fantastic: Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination; fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged reasons,
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                        OED: Fantastic:


                        Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                        fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                        reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.





                        Peter M. Head, PhD
                        Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                        Tyndale House
                        36 Selwyn Gardens
                        Cambridge CB3 9BA
                        01223 566601
                      • George F Somsel
                        It WOULD BE fantastic. if true. The question is whether these claims can be independently verified by others. When I encounter rather extreme claims, it
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                          It WOULD BE fantastic. if true.  The question is whether these claims can be independently verified by others.  When I encounter rather extreme claims, it tends to taint my ablity to put much credence in the rest of what is said therein.  I would say that it is first necessary for a recognized scholar to look at the evidence and either confirm or debunk these claims.
                           
                          ___________

                          "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:

                          >
                          >Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                          >discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                          >(the Gospel mss)?
                          >
                          >http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm
                          >
                          >Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                          >W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                          >beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                          >investigation and proper explanation.

                          Yes this is a fantastic discovery.

                          >

                          Peter M. Head, PhD
                          Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                          Tyndale House
                          36 Selwyn Gardens
                          Cambridge CB3 9BA
                          01223 566601




                          george
                          gfsomsel
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                        • Peter Williams
                          It s a fantastic phantasm. ... Peter Williams Senior Lecturer in New Testament Deputy Head of School of Divinity, History and Philosophy University of Aberdeen
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                            It's a fantastic phantasm.

                            George:

                            >It WOULD BE fantastic. if true.
                            >
                            >"Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >>Yes this is a fantastic discovery.


                            ------------
                            Peter Williams
                            Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                            Deputy Head of School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
                            University of Aberdeen
                            p.j.williams@...
                          • George F Somsel
                            That is, of course, one use of the term -- I believe the original meaning. Since, however, words do have various meanings, I m glad that you clarified your
                            Message 13 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                              That is, of course, one use of the term -- I believe the original meaning.  Since, however, words do have various meanings, I'm glad that you clarified your meaning.  I would tend to think that this is fantastic in the original sense of the term.  I would nevertheless like to know just what it is he's looking at in regard to the "seals", etc.  [Always be suspicious in a field such as this when someone begins by noting that no previous scholar ever saw 'X.'  Usually no other scholar saw it because it isn't there.  Interpreting a known item in a different fashion is an entirely different matter.
                               
                              ______________


                              "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:
                              OED: Fantastic:

                              Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                              fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                              reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.

                              Peter M. Head, PhD
                              Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                              Tyndale House
                              36 Selwyn Gardens
                              Cambridge CB3 9BA
                              01223 566601




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                              gfsomsel
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                            • William Warren
                              The web site looks like an attempt to push an agenda more than a place where evidence would be presented that would be reliable (as seen in the diatribe
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                The web site looks like an attempt to push an agenda more than a place where evidence would be presented that would be reliable (as seen in the diatribe against a school in Oklahoma).  While the claim may need to be examined, I would think a more adequate answer could be found in the presentations at SBL on Codex W this November, where several studies of the ms. are being presented.


                                paz, 


                                Bill Warren

                                Director of the Center for New Testament Textual Studies

                                Landrum P. Leavell, II, Professor of New Testament and Greek

                                New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary



                                On Jun 7, 2006, at 4:02 AM, mr.scrivener wrote:

                                --------------------
                                Dear Mr. Brown:

                                In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                ----------------------
                                Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                (the Gospel mss)?

                                http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm

                                Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                investigation and proper explanation.

                                Any ideas?

                                Curiosity is killing me here...
                                Eeyore

                                ------------------------------
                                --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > Hi Michael,
                                >
                                > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                reread
                                > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                >
                                > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                of
                                > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                which
                                > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both
                                transcriptions are
                                > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                DC.
                                >
                                > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                spaces
                                > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                has
                                > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                to
                                > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                >
                                > T. A. Brown
                                > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                >
                                >


                                =
                              • Tommy Wasserman
                                I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through the years. Here are two which someone might help me with: 1) in an MS the final AMHN (in
                                Message 15 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                  I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through the
                                  years. Here are two which someone might help me with:

                                  1) in an MS the final AMHN (in Jude) is written backwards on three
                                  lines:

                                  HN
                                  M
                                  A

                                  Has anyone seen anything similar?

                                  2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•, plus a
                                  reading. I interpret the sign as an "obelus periestigmenos." The
                                  question is whether this sign has the same function over time, i.e. in
                                  the early uncials and in the minuscules, respectively. In short, I am
                                  not sure if it unequivocally refers to a correction of the text (or
                                  might be a reference to an alternative reading).

                                  Any ideas?

                                  With regards

                                  Tommy Wasserman
                                  Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                  Lund University
                                  Sweden
                                • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                  Hello, Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an edition available
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                    Hello,

                                    Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                    And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                    Sincerely,

                                    T. A. Brown
                                    Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                    mr.scrivener wrote:

                                    ------------ --------
                                    Dear Mr. Brown:

                                    In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                    of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                    disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                    wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                    ------------ --------- -
                                    Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                    discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                    (the Gospel mss)?

                                    http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                    Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                    W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                    beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                    investigation and proper explanation.

                                    Any ideas?

                                    Curiosity is killing me here...
                                    Eeyore

                                    ------------ --------- ---------
                                    --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                    <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hi Michael,
                                    >
                                    > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                    reread
                                    > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                    >
                                    > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                    of
                                    > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                    which
                                    > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                    transcriptions are
                                    > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                    DC.
                                    >
                                    > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                    > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                    spaces
                                    > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                    has
                                    > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                    to
                                    > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                    >
                                    > T. A. Brown
                                    > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                    >
                                    >


                                  • George F Somsel
                                    What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text. Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth? _____________ Timothy
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                      What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text.  Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth?
                                       
                                      _____________

                                      Timothy Arthur Brown <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                      Hello,

                                      Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                      And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                      Sincerely,

                                      T. A. Brown
                                      Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                      mr.scrivener wrote:
                                      ------------ --------
                                      Dear Mr. Brown:

                                      In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                      of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                      disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                      wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                      ------------ --------- -
                                      Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                      discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                      (the Gospel mss)?

                                      http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                      Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                      W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                      beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                      investigation and proper explanation.

                                      Any ideas?

                                      Curiosity is killing me here...
                                      Eeyore

                                      ------------ --------- ---------
                                      --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                      <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hi Michael,
                                      >
                                      > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                      reread
                                      > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                      >
                                      > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                      of
                                      > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                      which
                                      > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                      transcriptions are
                                      > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                      DC.
                                      >
                                      > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                      > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                      spaces
                                      > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                      has
                                      > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                      to
                                      > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                      >
                                      > T. A. Brown
                                      > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                      >
                                      >





                                      george
                                      gfsomsel
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                                    • Kent Clarke
                                      I saw that one coming Peter...hahaha Kent Kent D. Clarke (Ph.D. Bristol) Associate Professor of Religious Studies Department of Religious Studies Seal-Kap
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                        Re: [textualcriticism] Re: Freer Gospels (W 032) I saw that one coming Peter...hahaha

                                        Kent


                                        Kent D. Clarke (Ph.D. Bristol)
                                        Associate Professor of Religious Studies
                                        Department of Religious Studies
                                        Seal-Kap House
                                        Trinity Western University
                                        7600 Glover Road
                                        Langley, BC
                                        V2Y 1Y1
                                        Canada




                                        On 6/7/06 2:45 AM, "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:


                                         
                                         

                                        OED: Fantastic:

                                        Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                                        fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.).    b. In mod. use, of alleged
                                        reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.

                                        Peter M. Head, PhD
                                        Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                                        Tyndale House
                                        36 Selwyn Gardens
                                        Cambridge CB3 9BA
                                        01223 566601

                                         
                                            

                                      • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                        Dear George, Bruce and I were unable to substantiate even a single one of Woodard s claims. T. A. Brown Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                          Dear George,

                                          Bruce and I were unable to substantiate even a single one of Woodard's claims.

                                          T. A. Brown
                                          Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                          George F Somsel wrote:
                                          What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text.  Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth?
                                           
                                          _____________

                                          Timothy Arthur Brown <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                          Hello,

                                          Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                          And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                          Sincerely,

                                          T. A. Brown
                                          Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                          mr.scrivener wrote:
                                          ------------ --------
                                          Dear Mr. Brown:

                                          In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                          of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                          disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                          wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                          ------------ --------- -
                                          Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                          discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                          (the Gospel mss)?

                                          http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                          Althoug h the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                          W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                          beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                          investigation and proper explanation.

                                          Any ideas?

                                          Curiosity is killing me here...
                                          Eeyore

                                          ------------ --------- ---------
                                          --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                          <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Hi Michael,
                                          >
                                          > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                          reread
                                          > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                          >
                                          > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                          of
                                          > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                          which
                                          > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                          transcriptions are
                                          > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                          DC.
                                          >
                                          > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                          > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                          spaces
                                          > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                          has
                                          > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                          to
                                          > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                          >
                                          > T. A. Brown
                                          > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                          >
                                          >





                                          george
                                          gfsomsel
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                                        • mr.scrivener
                                          Greetings Mr Wasserman: I have two leads for you: (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice found in Christian Magic amulets and
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                            Greetings Mr Wasserman:

                                            I have two leads for you:

                                            (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice
                                            found in 'Christian Magic' amulets and small scrolls. I suggest you
                                            start with the two following books as an introduction to the subject:

                                            Ancient Christian Magic (Coptic texts of ritual power) Edited by
                                            Meyer & Smith (Harper Collins 1994), and

                                            Medicine, Miracle & Magic in NT Times by H.C. Kee.(Cambridge UP 1986-
                                            1990)

                                            Also useful might be:
                                            Paganism & Christianity 100-425 C.E. A Sourcebook Macmullen & Lane

                                            The writing of religious texts backwards or in patterns was very
                                            common throughout Egypt and the Aegean in the period.

                                            (2) Studying Vaticanus I have come to the conclusion that the 'NT'
                                            Obelisk (the one you describe is a lemniscus =dot/dot)has a variety
                                            of uses but mostly as a generic indicator of an accidental omission
                                            corrected in the margin. there is a good introduction to the changes
                                            in meaning over periods and places here:

                                            http://www.christianforums.com/t2994963-asterisk-and-obelus-three-
                                            different-usages.html





                                            --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Wasserman <tomwas@...>
                                            wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through
                                            the
                                            > years. Here are two which someone might help me with:
                                            >
                                            > 1) in an MS the final AMHN (in Jude) is written backwards on three
                                            > lines:
                                            >
                                            > HN
                                            > M
                                            > A
                                            >
                                            > Has anyone seen anything similar?
                                            >
                                            > 2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•, plus a
                                            > reading. I interpret the sign as an "obelus periestigmenos." The
                                            > question is whether this sign has the same function over time, i.e.
                                            in
                                            > the early uncials and in the minuscules, respectively. In short, I
                                            am
                                            > not sure if it unequivocally refers to a correction of the text (or
                                            > might be a reference to an alternative reading).
                                            >
                                            > Any ideas?
                                            >
                                            > With regards
                                            >
                                            > Tommy Wasserman
                                            > Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                            > Lund University
                                            > Sweden
                                            >
                                          • mr.scrivener
                                            Dear Mr. Brown: Thank you for your prompt reply: However, you seem to have left an ambiguity - Mr Woodward s ideas may be without merit, but are the marks just
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                              Dear Mr. Brown:

                                              Thank you for your prompt reply:
                                              However, you seem to have left an ambiguity -
                                              Mr Woodward's ideas may be without merit,
                                              but are the marks just dust specks, imperfections in the photos,
                                              or actual scribal scribbles, whatever their meaning?
                                              Could you clarify?

                                              Still perplexed,
                                              Eeyore.

                                              --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                              <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hello,
                                              >
                                              > Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work
                                              on
                                              > the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an
                                              edition
                                              > available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC. The
                                              new
                                              > images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for
                                              public
                                              > release this November as well. The newest images are those taken
                                              by the
                                              > Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to
                                              assume
                                              > that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler
                                              Gallery
                                              > itself.
                                              >
                                              > And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first
                                              learned of
                                              > Woodard's theories a couple of years ago. The claims are wild, but
                                              we
                                              > agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be
                                              > automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our
                                              current
                                              > understanding of the manuscript. We had at our disposal the tools
                                              and
                                              > access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.
                                              We
                                              > were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each
                                              had
                                              > a copy of his book. Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we
                                              > examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex
                                              and
                                              > were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories. Since this
                                              > examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the
                                              Freer
                                              > Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without
                                              merit.
                                              >
                                              > Sincerely,
                                              >
                                              > T. A. Brown
                                              > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > mr.scrivener wrote:
                                              >
                                              > > --------------------
                                              > > Dear Mr. Brown:
                                              > >
                                              > > In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing
                                              transcriptions
                                              > > of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available
                                              on
                                              > > disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                              > > wondering how your projects are coming along.
                                              > >
                                              > > ----------------------
                                              > > Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to
                                              have
                                              > > discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex
                                              W
                                              > > (the Gospel mss)?
                                              > >
                                              > > http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm
                                              > > <http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm>
                                              > >
                                              > > Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel
                                              Codex
                                              > > W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                              > > beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                              > > investigation and proper explanation.
                                              > >
                                              > > Any ideas?
                                              > >
                                              > > Curiosity is killing me here...
                                              > > Eeyore
                                              > >
                                              > > ------------------------------
                                              >
                                            • Jack Kilmon
                                              ... From: Peter M. Head To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [textualcriticism] Re:
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...>
                                                To: <textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:45 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [textualcriticism] Re: Freer Gospels (W 032)


                                                > OED: Fantastic:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                                                > fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                                                > reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.


                                                I think the word is used more often now in its colloquial shift meaning
                                                "excellent" or good beyond expectation.

                                                Jack Kilmon
                                              • Wieland Willker
                                                ... I think in Vaticanus it represents a correction. In Vaticanus also exists a wavy sign (vertical ~) which might indicate an explanation of some kind:
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
                                                  Tommy Wasserman wrote:
                                                  > 2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•,
                                                  > plus a reading.

                                                  I think in Vaticanus it represents a correction.

                                                  In Vaticanus also exists a wavy sign (vertical ~) which might indicate an explanation of some kind:
                                                  http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/dittographies.html
                                                  (image on the right)

                                                  Just for completeness sake, in Vaticanus also another sign appears once:
                                                  http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/wordorder.html


                                                  Best wishes
                                                  Wieland
                                                  <><
                                                  ------------------------------------------------
                                                  Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
                                                  mailto:willker@...-bremen.de
                                                  http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie
                                                  Textcritical commentary:
                                                  http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
                                                • Tommy Wasserman
                                                  ... Thank you mr. scrivener (is that your real name?). Sorry I was not clear - the MS in question is a medieval Greek continuous-text minuscule with no other
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
                                                    mr.scrivener wrote:

                                                    >
                                                    > Greetings Mr Wasserman:
                                                    >
                                                    > I have two leads for you:
                                                    >
                                                    > (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice
                                                    > found in 'Christian Magic' amulets and small scrolls.

                                                    Thank you mr. scrivener (is that your real name?). Sorry I was not
                                                    clear - the MS in question is a medieval Greek continuous-text
                                                    minuscule with no other signs of "magic" use whatsoever, a subject of
                                                    which I am otherwise quite familiar with.

                                                    > I suggest you
                                                    >
                                                    > (2) Studying Vaticanus I have come to the conclusion that the 'NT'
                                                    > Obelisk (the one you describe is a lemniscus =dot/dot)has a variety
                                                    > of uses but mostly as a generic indicator of an accidental omission
                                                    > corrected in the margin. there is a good introduction to the changes
                                                    > in meaning over periods and places here:

                                                    I found the following information about the symbol in "Transformed Into
                                                    His Image" in Grace Theological Journal 2.2 (Fall 1981) 230-31 which
                                                    made me hesitat to equal the function to that in the early uncials:

                                                    A partial explanation of the symbol is given by Diogenes
                                                    Laertius (iii, 66). He names and describes the use of various signs in a
                                                    text of Plato; in regard to this sign he says: "the obelos
                                                    periestigmenos is for random
                                                    rejections (of passages)." Nowhere has ↓ been found among literary
                                                    papyri of Classical
                                                    authors.

                                                    The use of both signs, however, is frequent in Biblical and
                                                    Christian papyri. Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus demonstrate
                                                    the frequent use of both signs, sometimes together and sometimes
                                                    separately, but always where a correction has been made. When
                                                    used together, ↓ stands in the margin and •/•. marks the precise place
                                                    in
                                                    the line for the correction.

                                                    Henry A. Sanders notes the use of •/•. in some biblical manuscripts
                                                    dated to the fourth or early fifth century, marking the location
                                                    of the omission and then repeated in the margin giving the words to
                                                    be supplied.

                                                    An exact parallel to P.Rob. inv. 28 is described in P. Tura, where ↓
                                                    and •/•. stand together in the margin at the beginning of the part to be
                                                    supplied.

                                                    A somewhat later function of •/• is described by Isidore (A.D. 602-
                                                    36), bishop of Seville (1.21): Lemniscus, id est, virgula inter geminos
                                                    punctos jacens, opponitur in his locis, quae sacrae Scripturae
                                                    interpretes
                                                    eadem sensu, sed diversis sermonibus transtulerent, "The
                                                    lemniscus, that is a stick lying between two points, is placed in those
                                                    places which the interpreters of Holy Scriptures transcribe in the
                                                    same sense, but with different expressions."

                                                    end of citation

                                                    With regards

                                                    Tommy Wasserman
                                                    Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                                    Lund University
                                                    Sweden
                                                  • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                                    Hello, The claims that Woodard makes are so numerous that a full response would require more attention than his ideas deserve. To answer you generally, some
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
                                                      Hello,

                                                      The claims that Woodard makes are so numerous that a full response would require more attention than his ideas deserve.  To answer you generally, some of what Woodard is seeing is offset, that is, ink which has cross-printed from the facing page; in other instances he is reading things into mere stains in the parchment; sometimes he's attributing special significance to the quite typical scribal decorations of a colophon; and he even finds minute hidden messages in the ragged shapes of letters that have suffered the effects of time and use.

                                                      I hope it is clear that Bruce Prior and I investigated Woodard's claims because we feel responsible to consult secondary sources in our work and, for the sake of thoroughness, needed to make a careful, open-minded examination of Woodard's work as well.  As it turns out, Woodard's work proved unworthy of the time we invested in it.

                                                      If you would like more detail, you could purchase Woodard's book (though I dislike the idea of giving him undue encouragement) and then purchase the new set of images which will hopefully be made available before the end of the year.  This will enable you to examine his claims yourself.

                                                      Yours sincerely,

                                                      T. A. Brown
                                                      Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                                      mr.scrivener wrote:

                                                      Dear Mr. Brown:

                                                      Thank you for your prompt reply:
                                                      However, you seem to have left an ambiguity -
                                                      Mr Woodward's ideas may be without merit,
                                                      but are the marks just dust specks, imperfections in the photos,
                                                      or actual scribal scribbles, whatever their meaning?
                                                      Could you clarify?

                                                      Still perplexed,
                                                      Eeyore.

                                                      --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                                      <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Hello,
                                                      >
                                                      > Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work
                                                      on
                                                      > the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an
                                                      edition
                                                      > available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC. The
                                                      new
                                                      > images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for
                                                      public
                                                      > release this November as well. The newest images are those taken
                                                      by the
                                                      > Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to
                                                      assume
                                                      > that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler
                                                      Gallery
                                                      > itself.
                                                      >
                                                      > And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first
                                                      learned of
                                                      > Woodard's theories a couple of years ago. The claims are wild, but
                                                      we
                                                      > agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be
                                                      > automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our
                                                      current
                                                      > understanding of the manuscript. We had at our disposal the tools
                                                      and
                                                      > access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.
                                                      We
                                                      > were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each
                                                      had
                                                      > a copy of his book. Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we
                                                      > examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex
                                                      and
                                                      > were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories. Since this
                                                      > examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the
                                                      Freer
                                                      > Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without
                                                      merit.
                                                      >
                                                      > Sincerely,
                                                      >
                                                      > T. A. Brown
                                                      > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > mr.scrivener wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > > ------------ --------
                                                      > > Dear Mr. Brown:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing
                                                      transcriptions
                                                      > > of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available
                                                      on
                                                      > > disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                                      > > wondering how your projects are coming along.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > ------------ --------- -
                                                      > > Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to
                                                      have
                                                      > > discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex
                                                      W
                                                      > > (the Gospel mss)?
                                                      > >
                                                      > > http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm
                                                      > > <http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm>
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel
                                                      Codex
                                                      > > W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                                      > > beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                                      > > investigation and proper explanation.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Any ideas?
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Curiosity is killing me here...
                                                      > > Eeyore
                                                      > >
                                                      > > ------------ --------- ---------
                                                      >


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