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  • Michael Theophilos
    Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be interested to know
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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      Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
      Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be interested to
      know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in Mt, Lk and Jn.

      Kind regards

      Michael
      Oxford, UK.
    • Minton, Ron
      I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the 100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to DC. Ron
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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        I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the
        100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
        DC.

        Ron Minton

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Michael Theophilos [mailto:michael.theophilos@...]
        Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:18 AM
        To: textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [textualcriticism] Freer Gospels (W 032)




        Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
        Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be
        interested to
        know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in Mt, Lk
        and Jn.

        Kind regards

        Michael
        Oxford, UK.










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      • Jim West
        ... The SBL is in DC in 2006. -- Jim West Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest Biblical Theology Weblog -
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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          Minton Ron wrote:

          >I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction with the
          >100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
          >DC.
          >

          The SBL is in DC in 2006.

          --
          Jim West

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          Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com
        • Wieland Willker
          Henry A. Sanders 1912 Facsimile of the Washington Manuscript of the Four Gospels in the Freer Collection edition of 435 copies Ann Arbor: The University of
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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            Henry A. Sanders
            1912
            Facsimile of the Washington Manuscript of the Four Gospels in the Freer
            Collection
            edition of 435 copies
            Ann Arbor: The University of Michigan
            Henry A. Sanders: "Description of the Manuscript"
            Charles R. Morey: "The Painted Covers of the Manuscript"


            Best wishes
            Wieland
            <><
            ------------------------
            Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
            mailto:willker@...-bremen.de
            http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/
            Textcritical commentary:
            http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
          • Timothy Arthur Brown
            Hi Michael, Published photos of W 032 are to be found in a 1912 publication, a collotype facsimile edited by Henry A. Sanders entitled _Facsimile of the
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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              Hi Michael,

              Published photos of W 032 are to be found in a 1912 publication, a
              collotype facsimile edited by Henry A. Sanders entitled _Facsimile of
              the Washington Manuscript of the Gospels_. The images I've posted are
              scans from this publication. Any major university or seminary that
              existed in 1912 is likely to still have a copy of this facsimile in
              their collection as Charles Freer (buyer of the Freer MSS in 1906 and,
              later, the founder of the Smithsonian's Freer Gallery of Art) funded
              this publication personally and presented copies as gifts to major
              institutions of learning around the world.

              New imaging work has been done over the past few years, but none of this
              work has yet been published.

              T. A. Brown
              Franconia, New Hampshire USA


              Michael Theophilos wrote:

              >
              >
              > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
              > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I
              > would be interested to
              > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
              > Mt, Lk and Jn.
              >
              > Kind regards
              >
              > Michael
              > Oxford, UK.
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            • Timothy Arthur Brown
              Hello Ron, You are correct in thinking that an SBL publication (on CD) has been planned to coincide with the 2006 SBL annual meetings in Washington, DC. I am
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 1, 2005
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                Hello Ron,

                You are correct in thinking that an SBL publication (on CD) has been
                planned to coincide with the 2006 SBL annual meetings in
                Washington, DC. I am not, however, a representative of the SBL and more
                detail would probably have to be offered by an SBL official, perhaps
                Patrick Durusau.

                T. A. Brown
                Franconia, New Hampshire USA



                Minton, Ron wrote:

                >
                > I may be wrong, but I think this is to be published in conjunction
                > with the
                > 100th anniv. of the Smithsonian in a year or two when ETS and SBL come to
                > DC.
                >
                > Ron Minton
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Michael Theophilos
                > [mailto:michael.theophilos@...]
                > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:18 AM
                > To: textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [textualcriticism] Freer Gospels (W 032)
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
                > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I would be
                > interested to
                > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
                > Mt, Lk
                > and Jn.
                >
                > Kind regards
                >
                > Michael
                > Oxford, UK.
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              • malcolm robertson
                Dear Michael, Wieland posted a link to St. Mark s Gospel from the Freer collection awhile back. I m not sure whether you know of it or not. Here it is again.
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 2, 2005
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                  Dear Michael,
                   
                  Wieland posted a link to St. Mark's Gospel from the Freer collection awhile back.  I'm not sure whether you know of it or not.  Here it is again.
                   
                   
                  With best regards,
                   
                  Malcolm
                    

                  Michael Theophilos <michael.theophilos@...> wrote:


                  Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
                  Freer Gospels?  Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions?  I would be interested to
                  know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in Mt, Lk and Jn.

                  Kind regards

                  Michael
                  Oxford, UK.










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                • Timothy Arthur Brown
                  Hi Michael, After responding to your question about published photographs, I reread your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions. Bruce
                  Message 8 of 26 , Feb 2, 2005
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                    Hi Michael,

                    After responding to your question about published photographs, I reread
                    your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.

                    Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations of
                    two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about which
                    you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both transcriptions are
                    scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington, DC.

                    These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                    closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the spaces
                    which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing has
                    been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary to
                    use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.

                    T. A. Brown
                    Franconia, New Hampshire USA


                    Michael Theophilos wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Does anyone know if there are published photographs of the 5th C
                    > Freer Gospels? Or for that matter, diplomatic transcriptions? I
                    > would be interested to
                    > know where Timothy Arthur Brown obtained the pics of the colophon in
                    > Mt, Lk and Jn.
                    >
                    > Kind regards
                    >
                    > Michael
                    > Oxford, UK.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • mr.scrivener
                    ... Dear Mr. Brown: In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                      Dear Mr. Brown:

                      In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                      of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                      disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                      wondering how your projects are coming along.

                      ----------------------
                      Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                      discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                      (the Gospel mss)?

                      http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm

                      Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                      W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                      beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                      investigation and proper explanation.

                      Any ideas?

                      Curiosity is killing me here...
                      Eeyore



                      ------------------------------
                      --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                      <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Michael,
                      >
                      > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                      reread
                      > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                      >
                      > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                      of
                      > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                      which
                      > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both
                      transcriptions are
                      > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                      DC.
                      >
                      > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                      > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                      spaces
                      > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                      has
                      > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                      to
                      > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                      >
                      > T. A. Brown
                      > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                      >
                      >
                    • Peter M. Head
                      ... Yes this is a fantastic discovery. ... Peter M. Head, PhD Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament Tyndale House 36 Selwyn Gardens Cambridge CB3
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                        >
                        >Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                        >discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                        >(the Gospel mss)?
                        >
                        >http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm
                        >
                        >Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                        >W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                        >beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                        >investigation and proper explanation.

                        Yes this is a fantastic discovery.


                        >

                        Peter M. Head, PhD
                        Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                        Tyndale House
                        36 Selwyn Gardens
                        Cambridge CB3 9BA
                        01223 566601
                      • Peter M. Head
                        OED: Fantastic: Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination; fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged reasons,
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                          OED: Fantastic:


                          Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                          fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                          reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.





                          Peter M. Head, PhD
                          Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                          Tyndale House
                          36 Selwyn Gardens
                          Cambridge CB3 9BA
                          01223 566601
                        • George F Somsel
                          It WOULD BE fantastic. if true. The question is whether these claims can be independently verified by others. When I encounter rather extreme claims, it
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                            It WOULD BE fantastic. if true.  The question is whether these claims can be independently verified by others.  When I encounter rather extreme claims, it tends to taint my ablity to put much credence in the rest of what is said therein.  I would say that it is first necessary for a recognized scholar to look at the evidence and either confirm or debunk these claims.
                             
                            ___________

                            "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:

                            >
                            >Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                            >discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                            >(the Gospel mss)?
                            >
                            >http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm
                            >
                            >Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                            >W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                            >beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                            >investigation and proper explanation.

                            Yes this is a fantastic discovery.

                            >

                            Peter M. Head, PhD
                            Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                            Tyndale House
                            36 Selwyn Gardens
                            Cambridge CB3 9BA
                            01223 566601




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                          • Peter Williams
                            It s a fantastic phantasm. ... Peter Williams Senior Lecturer in New Testament Deputy Head of School of Divinity, History and Philosophy University of Aberdeen
                            Message 13 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                              It's a fantastic phantasm.

                              George:

                              >It WOULD BE fantastic. if true.
                              >
                              >"Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:
                              >>
                              >>Yes this is a fantastic discovery.


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                              Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                              Deputy Head of School of Divinity, History and Philosophy
                              University of Aberdeen
                              p.j.williams@...
                            • George F Somsel
                              That is, of course, one use of the term -- I believe the original meaning. Since, however, words do have various meanings, I m glad that you clarified your
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                That is, of course, one use of the term -- I believe the original meaning.  Since, however, words do have various meanings, I'm glad that you clarified your meaning.  I would tend to think that this is fantastic in the original sense of the term.  I would nevertheless like to know just what it is he's looking at in regard to the "seals", etc.  [Always be suspicious in a field such as this when someone begins by noting that no previous scholar ever saw 'X.'  Usually no other scholar saw it because it isn't there.  Interpreting a known item in a different fashion is an entirely different matter.
                                 
                                ______________


                                "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:
                                OED: Fantastic:

                                Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                                fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                                reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.

                                Peter M. Head, PhD
                                Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                                Tyndale House
                                36 Selwyn Gardens
                                Cambridge CB3 9BA
                                01223 566601




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                              • William Warren
                                The web site looks like an attempt to push an agenda more than a place where evidence would be presented that would be reliable (as seen in the diatribe
                                Message 15 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                  The web site looks like an attempt to push an agenda more than a place where evidence would be presented that would be reliable (as seen in the diatribe against a school in Oklahoma).  While the claim may need to be examined, I would think a more adequate answer could be found in the presentations at SBL on Codex W this November, where several studies of the ms. are being presented.


                                  paz, 


                                  Bill Warren

                                  Director of the Center for New Testament Textual Studies

                                  Landrum P. Leavell, II, Professor of New Testament and Greek

                                  New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary



                                  On Jun 7, 2006, at 4:02 AM, mr.scrivener wrote:

                                  --------------------
                                  Dear Mr. Brown:

                                  In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                  of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                  disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                  wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                  ----------------------
                                  Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                  discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                  (the Gospel mss)?

                                  http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm

                                  Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                  W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                  beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                  investigation and proper explanation.

                                  Any ideas?

                                  Curiosity is killing me here...
                                  Eeyore

                                  ------------------------------
                                  --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                  <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi Michael,
                                  >
                                  > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                  reread
                                  > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                  >
                                  > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                  of
                                  > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                  which
                                  > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/Joshua MS. Both
                                  transcriptions are
                                  > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                  DC.
                                  >
                                  > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                  > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                  spaces
                                  > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                  has
                                  > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                  to
                                  > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                  >
                                  > T. A. Brown
                                  > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                  >
                                  >


                                  =
                                • Tommy Wasserman
                                  I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through the years. Here are two which someone might help me with: 1) in an MS the final AMHN (in
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                    I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through the
                                    years. Here are two which someone might help me with:

                                    1) in an MS the final AMHN (in Jude) is written backwards on three
                                    lines:

                                    HN
                                    M
                                    A

                                    Has anyone seen anything similar?

                                    2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•, plus a
                                    reading. I interpret the sign as an "obelus periestigmenos." The
                                    question is whether this sign has the same function over time, i.e. in
                                    the early uncials and in the minuscules, respectively. In short, I am
                                    not sure if it unequivocally refers to a correction of the text (or
                                    might be a reference to an alternative reading).

                                    Any ideas?

                                    With regards

                                    Tommy Wasserman
                                    Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                    Lund University
                                    Sweden
                                  • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                    Hello, Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an edition available
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                      Hello,

                                      Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                      And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                      Sincerely,

                                      T. A. Brown
                                      Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                      mr.scrivener wrote:

                                      ------------ --------
                                      Dear Mr. Brown:

                                      In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                      of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                      disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                      wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                      ------------ --------- -
                                      Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                      discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                      (the Gospel mss)?

                                      http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                      Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                      W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                      beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                      investigation and proper explanation.

                                      Any ideas?

                                      Curiosity is killing me here...
                                      Eeyore

                                      ------------ --------- ---------
                                      --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                      <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hi Michael,
                                      >
                                      > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                      reread
                                      > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                      >
                                      > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                      of
                                      > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                      which
                                      > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                      transcriptions are
                                      > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                      DC.
                                      >
                                      > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                      > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                      spaces
                                      > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                      has
                                      > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                      to
                                      > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                      >
                                      > T. A. Brown
                                      > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                      >
                                      >


                                    • George F Somsel
                                      What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text. Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth? _____________ Timothy
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                        What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text.  Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth?
                                         
                                        _____________

                                        Timothy Arthur Brown <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                        Hello,

                                        Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                        And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                        Sincerely,

                                        T. A. Brown
                                        Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                        mr.scrivener wrote:
                                        ------------ --------
                                        Dear Mr. Brown:

                                        In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                        of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                        disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                        wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                        ------------ --------- -
                                        Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                        discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                        (the Gospel mss)?

                                        http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                        Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                        W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                        beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                        investigation and proper explanation.

                                        Any ideas?

                                        Curiosity is killing me here...
                                        Eeyore

                                        ------------ --------- ---------
                                        --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                        <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Hi Michael,
                                        >
                                        > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                        reread
                                        > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                        >
                                        > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                        of
                                        > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                        which
                                        > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                        transcriptions are
                                        > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                        DC.
                                        >
                                        > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                        > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                        spaces
                                        > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                        has
                                        > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                        to
                                        > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                        >
                                        > T. A. Brown
                                        > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                        >
                                        >





                                        george
                                        gfsomsel
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                                      • Kent Clarke
                                        I saw that one coming Peter...hahaha Kent Kent D. Clarke (Ph.D. Bristol) Associate Professor of Religious Studies Department of Religious Studies Seal-Kap
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                          Re: [textualcriticism] Re: Freer Gospels (W 032) I saw that one coming Peter...hahaha

                                          Kent


                                          Kent D. Clarke (Ph.D. Bristol)
                                          Associate Professor of Religious Studies
                                          Department of Religious Studies
                                          Seal-Kap House
                                          Trinity Western University
                                          7600 Glover Road
                                          Langley, BC
                                          V2Y 1Y1
                                          Canada




                                          On 6/7/06 2:45 AM, "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...> wrote:


                                           
                                           

                                          OED: Fantastic:

                                          Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                                          fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.).    b. In mod. use, of alleged
                                          reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.

                                          Peter M. Head, PhD
                                          Sir Kirby Laing Senior Lecturer in New Testament
                                          Tyndale House
                                          36 Selwyn Gardens
                                          Cambridge CB3 9BA
                                          01223 566601

                                           
                                              

                                        • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                          Dear George, Bruce and I were unable to substantiate even a single one of Woodard s claims. T. A. Brown Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                            Dear George,

                                            Bruce and I were unable to substantiate even a single one of Woodard's claims.

                                            T. A. Brown
                                            Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                            George F Somsel wrote:
                                            What about the alleged upside down Aramaic text.  Is there anything there to which he might refer or is this made up out of whole cloth?
                                             
                                            _____________

                                            Timothy Arthur Brown <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                            Hello,

                                            Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work on the Freer Gospels transcription now.  You can expect to see an edition available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC.  The new images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for public release this November as well.  The newest images are those taken by the Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to assume that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler Gallery itself.

                                            And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first learned of Woodard's theories a couple of years ago.  The claims are wild, but we agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our current understanding of the manuscript.  We had at our disposal the tools and access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.  We were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each had a copy of his book.  Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex and were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories.  Since this examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the Freer Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without merit.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            T. A. Brown
                                            Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                            mr.scrivener wrote:
                                            ------------ --------
                                            Dear Mr. Brown:

                                            In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing transcriptions
                                            of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available on
                                            disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                            wondering how your projects are coming along.

                                            ------------ --------- -
                                            Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to have
                                            discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex W
                                            (the Gospel mss)?

                                            http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm

                                            Althoug h the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel Codex
                                            W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                            beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                            investigation and proper explanation.

                                            Any ideas?

                                            Curiosity is killing me here...
                                            Eeyore

                                            ------------ --------- ---------
                                            --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                            <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Hi Michael,
                                            >
                                            > After responding to your question about published photographs, I
                                            reread
                                            > your message and noticed that you also asked about transcriptions.
                                            >
                                            > Bruce Prior and I are working on full transcriptions and collations
                                            of
                                            > two of the Washington MSS at this moment -- The Gospels MS, about
                                            which
                                            > you've inquired, and the Deuteronomy/ Joshua MS. Both
                                            transcriptions are
                                            > scheduled for publication by the 2006 SBL meetings in Washington,
                                            DC.
                                            >
                                            > These transcriptions follow the layout of the original manuscripts
                                            > closely. We have even taken pains to measure and represent the
                                            spaces
                                            > which the scribe has often used to separate phrases. Word spacing
                                            has
                                            > been added for clarity, however, and whenever it has been necessary
                                            to
                                            > use editorial judgments, an explanation appears in the footnotes.
                                            >
                                            > T. A. Brown
                                            > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                            >
                                            >





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                                            gfsomsel
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                                          • mr.scrivener
                                            Greetings Mr Wasserman: I have two leads for you: (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice found in Christian Magic amulets and
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                              Greetings Mr Wasserman:

                                              I have two leads for you:

                                              (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice
                                              found in 'Christian Magic' amulets and small scrolls. I suggest you
                                              start with the two following books as an introduction to the subject:

                                              Ancient Christian Magic (Coptic texts of ritual power) Edited by
                                              Meyer & Smith (Harper Collins 1994), and

                                              Medicine, Miracle & Magic in NT Times by H.C. Kee.(Cambridge UP 1986-
                                              1990)

                                              Also useful might be:
                                              Paganism & Christianity 100-425 C.E. A Sourcebook Macmullen & Lane

                                              The writing of religious texts backwards or in patterns was very
                                              common throughout Egypt and the Aegean in the period.

                                              (2) Studying Vaticanus I have come to the conclusion that the 'NT'
                                              Obelisk (the one you describe is a lemniscus =dot/dot)has a variety
                                              of uses but mostly as a generic indicator of an accidental omission
                                              corrected in the margin. there is a good introduction to the changes
                                              in meaning over periods and places here:

                                              http://www.christianforums.com/t2994963-asterisk-and-obelus-three-
                                              different-usages.html





                                              --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Wasserman <tomwas@...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > I have come across a large number of scribal peculiarities through
                                              the
                                              > years. Here are two which someone might help me with:
                                              >
                                              > 1) in an MS the final AMHN (in Jude) is written backwards on three
                                              > lines:
                                              >
                                              > HN
                                              > M
                                              > A
                                              >
                                              > Has anyone seen anything similar?
                                              >
                                              > 2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•, plus a
                                              > reading. I interpret the sign as an "obelus periestigmenos." The
                                              > question is whether this sign has the same function over time, i.e.
                                              in
                                              > the early uncials and in the minuscules, respectively. In short, I
                                              am
                                              > not sure if it unequivocally refers to a correction of the text (or
                                              > might be a reference to an alternative reading).
                                              >
                                              > Any ideas?
                                              >
                                              > With regards
                                              >
                                              > Tommy Wasserman
                                              > Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                              > Lund University
                                              > Sweden
                                              >
                                            • mr.scrivener
                                              Dear Mr. Brown: Thank you for your prompt reply: However, you seem to have left an ambiguity - Mr Woodward s ideas may be without merit, but are the marks just
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                                Dear Mr. Brown:

                                                Thank you for your prompt reply:
                                                However, you seem to have left an ambiguity -
                                                Mr Woodward's ideas may be without merit,
                                                but are the marks just dust specks, imperfections in the photos,
                                                or actual scribal scribbles, whatever their meaning?
                                                Could you clarify?

                                                Still perplexed,
                                                Eeyore.

                                                --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                                <t.a.brown@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Hello,
                                                >
                                                > Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work
                                                on
                                                > the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an
                                                edition
                                                > available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC. The
                                                new
                                                > images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for
                                                public
                                                > release this November as well. The newest images are those taken
                                                by the
                                                > Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to
                                                assume
                                                > that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler
                                                Gallery
                                                > itself.
                                                >
                                                > And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first
                                                learned of
                                                > Woodard's theories a couple of years ago. The claims are wild, but
                                                we
                                                > agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be
                                                > automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our
                                                current
                                                > understanding of the manuscript. We had at our disposal the tools
                                                and
                                                > access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.
                                                We
                                                > were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each
                                                had
                                                > a copy of his book. Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we
                                                > examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex
                                                and
                                                > were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories. Since this
                                                > examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the
                                                Freer
                                                > Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without
                                                merit.
                                                >
                                                > Sincerely,
                                                >
                                                > T. A. Brown
                                                > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > mr.scrivener wrote:
                                                >
                                                > > --------------------
                                                > > Dear Mr. Brown:
                                                > >
                                                > > In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing
                                                transcriptions
                                                > > of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available
                                                on
                                                > > disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                                > > wondering how your projects are coming along.
                                                > >
                                                > > ----------------------
                                                > > Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to
                                                have
                                                > > discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex
                                                W
                                                > > (the Gospel mss)?
                                                > >
                                                > > http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm
                                                > > <http://www.washington-codex.org/woodard_kodex_article_1.htm>
                                                > >
                                                > > Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel
                                                Codex
                                                > > W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                                > > beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                                > > investigation and proper explanation.
                                                > >
                                                > > Any ideas?
                                                > >
                                                > > Curiosity is killing me here...
                                                > > Eeyore
                                                > >
                                                > > ------------------------------
                                                >
                                              • Jack Kilmon
                                                ... From: Peter M. Head To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [textualcriticism] Re:
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Jun 7, 2006
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                                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                                  From: "Peter M. Head" <pmh15@...>
                                                  To: <textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:45 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [textualcriticism] Re: Freer Gospels (W 032)


                                                  > OED: Fantastic:
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Existing only in imagination; proceeding merely from imagination;
                                                  > fabulous, imaginary, unreal (obs.). b. In mod. use, of alleged
                                                  > reasons, fears, etc.: Perversely or irrationally imagined.


                                                  I think the word is used more often now in its colloquial shift meaning
                                                  "excellent" or good beyond expectation.

                                                  Jack Kilmon
                                                • Wieland Willker
                                                  ... I think in Vaticanus it represents a correction. In Vaticanus also exists a wavy sign (vertical ~) which might indicate an explanation of some kind:
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
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                                                    Tommy Wasserman wrote:
                                                    > 2) In some minuscule MSS there is a sign in the margin, •/•,
                                                    > plus a reading.

                                                    I think in Vaticanus it represents a correction.

                                                    In Vaticanus also exists a wavy sign (vertical ~) which might indicate an explanation of some kind:
                                                    http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/dittographies.html
                                                    (image on the right)

                                                    Just for completeness sake, in Vaticanus also another sign appears once:
                                                    http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/wordorder.html


                                                    Best wishes
                                                    Wieland
                                                    <><
                                                    ------------------------------------------------
                                                    Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
                                                    mailto:willker@...-bremen.de
                                                    http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie
                                                    Textcritical commentary:
                                                    http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
                                                  • Tommy Wasserman
                                                    ... Thank you mr. scrivener (is that your real name?). Sorry I was not clear - the MS in question is a medieval Greek continuous-text minuscule with no other
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
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                                                      mr.scrivener wrote:

                                                      >
                                                      > Greetings Mr Wasserman:
                                                      >
                                                      > I have two leads for you:
                                                      >
                                                      > (1) the Jude inscription looks painfully like the Egyptian practice
                                                      > found in 'Christian Magic' amulets and small scrolls.

                                                      Thank you mr. scrivener (is that your real name?). Sorry I was not
                                                      clear - the MS in question is a medieval Greek continuous-text
                                                      minuscule with no other signs of "magic" use whatsoever, a subject of
                                                      which I am otherwise quite familiar with.

                                                      > I suggest you
                                                      >
                                                      > (2) Studying Vaticanus I have come to the conclusion that the 'NT'
                                                      > Obelisk (the one you describe is a lemniscus =dot/dot)has a variety
                                                      > of uses but mostly as a generic indicator of an accidental omission
                                                      > corrected in the margin. there is a good introduction to the changes
                                                      > in meaning over periods and places here:

                                                      I found the following information about the symbol in "Transformed Into
                                                      His Image" in Grace Theological Journal 2.2 (Fall 1981) 230-31 which
                                                      made me hesitat to equal the function to that in the early uncials:

                                                      A partial explanation of the symbol is given by Diogenes
                                                      Laertius (iii, 66). He names and describes the use of various signs in a
                                                      text of Plato; in regard to this sign he says: "the obelos
                                                      periestigmenos is for random
                                                      rejections (of passages)." Nowhere has ↓ been found among literary
                                                      papyri of Classical
                                                      authors.

                                                      The use of both signs, however, is frequent in Biblical and
                                                      Christian papyri. Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus demonstrate
                                                      the frequent use of both signs, sometimes together and sometimes
                                                      separately, but always where a correction has been made. When
                                                      used together, ↓ stands in the margin and •/•. marks the precise place
                                                      in
                                                      the line for the correction.

                                                      Henry A. Sanders notes the use of •/•. in some biblical manuscripts
                                                      dated to the fourth or early fifth century, marking the location
                                                      of the omission and then repeated in the margin giving the words to
                                                      be supplied.

                                                      An exact parallel to P.Rob. inv. 28 is described in P. Tura, where ↓
                                                      and •/•. stand together in the margin at the beginning of the part to be
                                                      supplied.

                                                      A somewhat later function of •/• is described by Isidore (A.D. 602-
                                                      36), bishop of Seville (1.21): Lemniscus, id est, virgula inter geminos
                                                      punctos jacens, opponitur in his locis, quae sacrae Scripturae
                                                      interpretes
                                                      eadem sensu, sed diversis sermonibus transtulerent, "The
                                                      lemniscus, that is a stick lying between two points, is placed in those
                                                      places which the interpreters of Holy Scriptures transcribe in the
                                                      same sense, but with different expressions."

                                                      end of citation

                                                      With regards

                                                      Tommy Wasserman
                                                      Centre for Theology and Religious Studies
                                                      Lund University
                                                      Sweden
                                                    • Timothy Arthur Brown
                                                      Hello, The claims that Woodard makes are so numerous that a full response would require more attention than his ideas deserve. To answer you generally, some
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Jun 8, 2006
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                                                        Hello,

                                                        The claims that Woodard makes are so numerous that a full response would require more attention than his ideas deserve.  To answer you generally, some of what Woodard is seeing is offset, that is, ink which has cross-printed from the facing page; in other instances he is reading things into mere stains in the parchment; sometimes he's attributing special significance to the quite typical scribal decorations of a colophon; and he even finds minute hidden messages in the ragged shapes of letters that have suffered the effects of time and use.

                                                        I hope it is clear that Bruce Prior and I investigated Woodard's claims because we feel responsible to consult secondary sources in our work and, for the sake of thoroughness, needed to make a careful, open-minded examination of Woodard's work as well.  As it turns out, Woodard's work proved unworthy of the time we invested in it.

                                                        If you would like more detail, you could purchase Woodard's book (though I dislike the idea of giving him undue encouragement) and then purchase the new set of images which will hopefully be made available before the end of the year.  This will enable you to examine his claims yourself.

                                                        Yours sincerely,

                                                        T. A. Brown
                                                        Franconia, New Hampshire  USA



                                                        mr.scrivener wrote:

                                                        Dear Mr. Brown:

                                                        Thank you for your prompt reply:
                                                        However, you seem to have left an ambiguity -
                                                        Mr Woodward's ideas may be without merit,
                                                        but are the marks just dust specks, imperfections in the photos,
                                                        or actual scribal scribbles, whatever their meaning?
                                                        Could you clarify?

                                                        Still perplexed,
                                                        Eeyore.

                                                        --- In textualcriticism@ yahoogroups. com, Timothy Arthur Brown
                                                        <t.a.brown@. ..> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Hello,
                                                        >
                                                        > Bruce Prior and I are in the process of finishing up pre-press work
                                                        on
                                                        > the Freer Gospels transcription now. You can expect to see an
                                                        edition
                                                        > available at this year's SBL annual meeting in Washington, DC. The
                                                        new
                                                        > images I alluded to are, as far as I know, still intended for
                                                        public
                                                        > release this November as well. The newest images are those taken
                                                        by the
                                                        > Freer/Sackler photography department and I think it's safe to
                                                        assume
                                                        > that this image library will be published by the Freer/Sackler
                                                        Gallery
                                                        > itself.
                                                        >
                                                        > And now concerning Woodard's "Kodex W". . . Bruce and I first
                                                        learned of
                                                        > Woodard's theories a couple of years ago. The claims are wild, but
                                                        we
                                                        > agreed that such claims, regardless how unbelievable, ought not be
                                                        > automatically rejected simply because they do not conform to our
                                                        current
                                                        > understanding of the manuscript. We had at our disposal the tools
                                                        and
                                                        > access necessary to examine these claims, so we decided to do so.
                                                        We
                                                        > were in contact with Lee Woodard by phone and by e-mail and we each
                                                        had
                                                        > a copy of his book. Becoming thus fully informed of his claims, we
                                                        > examined high resolution images of the relevant parts of the codex
                                                        and
                                                        > were unable to substantiate any of Woodard's theories. Since this
                                                        > examination, I have had opportunity to access the original at the
                                                        Freer
                                                        > Gallery and must still conclude that Woodard's ideas are without
                                                        merit.
                                                        >
                                                        > Sincerely,
                                                        >
                                                        > T. A. Brown
                                                        > Franconia, New Hampshire USA
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > mr.scrivener wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > > ------------ --------
                                                        > > Dear Mr. Brown:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > In this message (last year), you mentioned publishing
                                                        transcriptions
                                                        > > of Codex W, as well as a possible new Facsimile edition available
                                                        on
                                                        > > disk by the '2006 SBL Meetings..'. Well, its June 2006, and I was
                                                        > > wondering how your projects are coming along.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ------------ --------- -
                                                        > > Also, is anyone aware of the following website, which claims to
                                                        have
                                                        > > discovered 'seals' or 'signatures' of the scribes who wrote Codex
                                                        W
                                                        > > (the Gospel mss)?
                                                        > >
                                                        > > http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm
                                                        > > <http://www.washingt on-codex. org/woodard_ kodex_article_ 1.htm>
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Although the site makes many wild claims, and dates the Gospel
                                                        Codex
                                                        > > W too early, surely just the existance of these 'seals' at the
                                                        > > beginning and end of each gospel in the codex require a thorough
                                                        > > investigation and proper explanation.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Any ideas?
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Curiosity is killing me here...
                                                        > > Eeyore
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ------------ --------- ---------
                                                        >


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