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  • Jovial
    There s an article at http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=8005 about an ancient tablet that discusses the Resurection, possibly before it happened. Does
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 8, 2008
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      There's an article at http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=8005 about an ancient tablet that discusses the Resurection, possibly before it happened.  Does anyone here know of where a photocopy of it can be found?  Anyone heard anything?
       
      Thanks,
       
      Joe Viel
       
    • Jack Kilmon
      ... From: Jovial To: textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:56 PM Subject: [textualcriticism] Ancient text There s an article at
      Message 2 of 4 , Jul 9, 2008
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Jovial
        Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:56 PM
        Subject: [textualcriticism] Ancient text

        There's an article at http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=8005 about an ancient tablet that discusses the Resurection, possibly before it happened.  Does anyone here know of where a photocopy of it can be found?  Anyone heard anything?
         
        Thanks,
         
        Joe Viel
         
         
         
        I posted elsewhere:
         
        I don't see anything in lines 19-21 or 79-81 (where three days are
        mentioned) that imply anything about a Messiah.

        Line 19.... l$l$t ymyn td(..."In THREE DAYS you will know.....ky amar..HE
        (God) said, 20. yhwh elohym cb)wt )lhy y$r)l...Yahweh Lord of Hosts, Lord of
        Israel...n$br hr( ....broke the evil..21...mlpny hctq..before justice..."

        Line 33....[....] (l ...[  ]$lm..."protection? of Jerusalem" .....$lw$h
        bgdlwt...."THREE with the greatness of..."


        Line 54....[...]$l$t ymyn (in?) THREE days... zh $)m....[......] hw)..this
        is (that, there?) which....he...

        Line 75...$lw$h rw(yn yc)w ly$r)l  "THREE Shepherds went out to Israel....."

        Line 79.....mlpnyk $lw$h h)[t or r?]wt $lw$h "in front of you THREE (signs?
        lights?) THREE....

        Line 80...l$lw$t ymyn x[....] )ny gbry)l.......  "in THREE DAYS......I
        Gabriel....."

        Line 83... ly mn $lw$h hqtl $lqxty )ny gbri)l......."to me, out of THREE,
        the small one, whom I took, I Gabriel.."


        This is about the angel Gabriel, not a messiah.  THREE angels, THREE
        shepherds, THREE prophets, THREE days, three signs or lights (I lean toward
        "lights").  I think the lacuna at the end of line 79 is "angels."

        This, like the DSS, is an Enochian milieu and 1 Enoch 20 gives a list of 7
        archangels (Sariel, Gabriel, Remiel, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel and Michael) and
        1 Enoch 9 lists 4 ( Michael, Sariel, Raphael and Gabriel) see lines 30, 31.
        This inscription is about the superiority of Gabriel who is the "Prince of
        Princes (found?) in the narrowest holes" of line 81.

        It is about Gabriel, not a Messiah.
         
        Jack
      • Bryan Cox
        Jack, Knohl s contention is that the x[....] of the phrase l$lw$t ymyn x [....] reads the imperative command live! . And he further reconstructs the text
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 10, 2008
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          Jack,

          Knohl's contention is that the 'x[....]' of the phrase 'l$lw$t ymyn x
          [....]' reads the imperative command 'live!'. And he further
          reconstructs the text after 'I, Gabriel' as 'command you'.

          If forget the exact wording he uses in his article, but I think it was
          something along the lines of the word clearly reading 'live!'. What
          do you think from the drawing? (I think I remember reading that Knohl
          has looked at the stone in person, so a drawing may not be good enough
          to draw good conclusions from).

          Bryan Cox
          Plano, Tx

          --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Kilmon" <jkilmon@...>
          > Line 80...l$lw$t ymyn x[....] )ny gbry)l....... "in THREE
          DAYS......I
          > Gabriel....."
          >
          > It is about Gabriel, not a Messiah.
          >
          >
          > Jack
        • K.Martin Heide
          For one of the first articles and a photo of the badly worn inscription, see Biblical Archaeology Review Jan/Feb 2008, pp. 60-61 by the author herself (Ada
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 10, 2008
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            For one of the first articles and a photo of the badly worn inscription, see Biblical Archaeology Review Jan/Feb 2008, pp. 60-61 by the author herself (Ada Yardeni).

            See also here:
            http://www.bib-arch.org/news/dss-in-stone-news.asp


            Cheers,
            Martin

            Jack Kilmon wrote:

             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Jovial
            Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:56 PM
            Subject: [textualcriticism] Ancient text

            There's an article at http://www.cathnews .com/article. aspx?aeid= 8005 about an ancient tablet that discusses the Resurection, possibly before it happened.  Does anyone here know of where a photocopy of it can be found?  Anyone heard anything?
             
            Thanks,
             
            Joe Viel
             
             
             
            I posted elsewhere:
             
            I don't see anything in lines 19-21 or 79-81 (where three days are
            mentioned) that imply anything about a Messiah.

            Line 19.... l$l$t ymyn td(..."In THREE DAYS you will know.....ky amar..HE
            (God) said, 20. yhwh elohym cb)wt )lhy y$r)l...Yahweh Lord of Hosts, Lord of
            Israel...n$br hr( ....broke the evil..21...mlpny hctq..before justice..."

            Line 33....[....] (l ...[  ]$lm..."protection? of Jerusalem" .....$lw$h
            bgdlwt...."THREE with the greatness of..."


            Line 54....[...]$ l$t ymyn (in?) THREE days... zh $)m....[.... ..] hw)..this
            is (that, there?) which....he. ..

            Line 75...$lw$h rw(yn yc)w ly$r)l  "THREE Shepherds went out to Israel....."

            Line 79.....mlpnyk $lw$h h)[t or r?]wt $lw$h "in front of you THREE (signs?
            lights?) THREE....

            Line 80...l$lw$t ymyn x[....] )ny gbry)l...... .  "in THREE DAYS......I
            Gabriel..... "

            Line 83... ly mn $lw$h hqtl $lqxty )ny gbri)l...... ."to me, out of THREE,
            the small one, whom I took, I Gabriel.."


            This is about the angel Gabriel, not a messiah.  THREE angels, THREE
            shepherds, THREE prophets, THREE days, three signs or lights (I lean toward
            "lights").  I think the lacuna at the end of line 79 is "angels."

            This, like the DSS, is an Enochian milieu and 1 Enoch 20 gives a list of 7
            archangels (Sariel, Gabriel, Remiel, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel and Michael) and
            1 Enoch 9 lists 4 ( Michael, Sariel, Raphael and Gabriel) see lines 30, 31.
            This inscription is about the superiority of Gabriel who is the "Prince of
            Princes (found?) in the narrowest holes" of line 81.

            It is about Gabriel, not a Messiah.
             
            Jack
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