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  • Larry Swain
    The first places I d check are the Sources Chretien series and the Corpus Christianorum series. The latter has 3 series, Latin, Greek, and Medieval, generally
    Message 1 of 8 , Aug 9, 2007
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      The first places I'd check are the Sources Chretien series and the Corpus Christianorum series. The latter has 3 series, Latin, Greek, and Medieval, generally Latin.

      CETEDOC includes the Latin volumes of both series.

      Also, if its considered "Germanic" and falls within their time limits, MGH also frequently has such texts.

      Larry Swain
      University of Illinois-Chicago

      >
      > --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Wasserman <tomwas@...>
      > wrote:
      > > ...
      > > There is a modern edition of this work but I am not sure that it
      > > is better (normally modern editions are superior to Migne's old
      > > editions, but not always).
      > >
      >
      > How can one go about finding whether a given father has a critical
      > edition, and what that edition is? Is a list maintained anywhere?
      >
      > I've tried Google, but seem to be getting conflicting information.
      > For instance, I've seen numerous statements that there is no critical
      > edition of Gregory of Nyssa. Yet, I've also been told that "The New
      > Testament in the Greek Fathers" series used critical editions, not
      > Migne, and there is a Gregory installment in that series.
      >
      > Specifically, I'm looking at the moment for a Chrysostom edition, but
      > am interested in others as well.
      >
      > Thanks.
      >
      > Casey Perkins
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
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      >
      >

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    • Tommy Wasserman
      Casey, Look at the tool Clavis Patrum Graecorum, here: http://www.corpuschristianorum.org/series/cccpg.html and look at my blog for general advice about
      Message 2 of 8 , Aug 9, 2007
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        Casey,

        Look at the tool Clavis Patrum Graecorum, here:

        http://www.corpuschristianorum.org/series/cccpg.html

        and look at my blog for general advice about working with patristic
        citations:

        http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2006/09/checking-
        patristic-citations.html

        and then there are many good articles on methodology if you are
        interested in påtristic citations of the NT, e.g., chapter VI on Method
        and Use of Patristic Evidence (pp. 299-359) by G.D. Fee in E.J. Epp and
        G. D. Fee, Studies in the Theory and Method of New Testament Textual
        Criticism (SD45; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993). Carroll D. Osburn has
        also written a recent article in Novum Testamentum 47 (2005) on
        methodology with reference to Fee's work, see here

        http://www.springerlink.com/content/6504247032p41535/

        Incidentally, I criticized Osburn's methodology, not in identifying
        citations, but in the further statistical analysis of the textual
        character of the particular father's New Testament text (in this case
        Epiphanius) in my bookreview, available here:

        http://www.bookreviews.org/bookdetail.asp?TitleId=4499&CodePage=4499

        With regards

        Tommy Wasserman, Ph.D.
        Academic dean and lecturer in the New Testament
        Örebro Theological Seminary
        Sweden

        2007-08-09 kl. 15.49 skrev Casey Perkins:

        > --- In textualcriticism@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Wasserman <tomwas@...>
        > wrote:
        > > ...
        > > There is a modern edition of this work but I am not sure that it is
        > > better (normally modern editions are superior to Migne's old
        > editions,
        > > but not always).
        > >
        >
        > How can one go about finding whether a given father has a critical
        > edition, and what that edition is? Is a list maintained anywhere?
        >
        > I've tried Google, but seem to be getting conflicting information.
        > For instance, I've seen numerous statements that there is no critical
        > edition of Gregory of Nyssa. Yet, I've also been told that "The New
        > Testament in the Greek Fathers" series used critical editions, not
        > Migne, and there is a Gregory installment in that series.
        >
        > Specifically, I'm looking at the moment for a Chrysostom edition, but
        > am interested in others as well.
        >
        > Thanks.
        >
        > Casey Perkins
        >
        >
        >
      • Casey Perkins
        Tommy and Larry, thanks for the information. Casey
        Message 3 of 8 , Aug 13, 2007
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          Tommy and Larry, thanks for the information.

          Casey
        • A. Dirkzwager
          Dear All, A lot of texts from the Greek Migne can be downloaded as pdf files. The index can be found on http://patrologia.ct.aegean.gr/PG_Migne/ Arie A.
          Message 4 of 8 , Aug 14, 2007
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            Dear All,

            A lot of texts from the Greek Migne can be downloaded as pdf files. The
            index can be found on
            http://patrologia.ct.aegean.gr/PG_Migne/

            Arie

            A. Dirkzwager
            Hoeselt, Belgium
          • David Robert Palmer
            Jim, Here is a place where Didymus apparently cites Mark 16:15-16, beginning with the reference number, then some context afterwards: 39.688 φθαρτῆς,
            Message 5 of 8 , Aug 14, 2007
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              Jim,
               
              Here is a place where Didymus apparently cites Mark 16:15-16, beginning with the reference number, then some context afterwards:
               

              39.688 φθαρτῆς, ἀλλ' ἀφθάρτου, διὰ λόγου ζῶντος Θεοῦ καὶ μένοντος.” Ἐδεδοίκει γὰρ τὸν

              παρακελευσάμενον ἐν τῷ κατὰ Μάρκον Εὐαγγελίῳ· “Πορευθέντες εἰς τὸν κόσμον

              πάντα, κηρύξατε τὸ Εὐαγγέλιον πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει. Ὁ πιστεύσας καὶ βαπτισθεὶς

              σωθήσεται· ὁ δὲ ἀπιστήσας κατακριθήσεται.” Τί δὲ τὸ κήρυγμά ἐστιν; “Πορευθέντες

              μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς, καὶ τοῦ

              Υἱοῦ, καὶ τοῦ ἁγίου Πνεύματος.” Ὅπερ καὶ Παῦλος φυλάττων ἔγραψεν· “Ἡ χάρις τοῦ

              Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς, καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ

              ἁγίου Πνεύματος, μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν.” Ἥντινα πνευματικὴν κοινωνίαν καὶ τὰ

              Καθολικὰ προκατωνόμασεν χαράγματα οὕτως· “Ἵνα γένησθε θείας κοινωνοὶ

              φύσεως.” Τίνες δὲ οἱ ἀπιστοῦντες, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο κατακρινόμενοις; Οἱ ταύτην μὴ

              φυλάττοντες τὴν ἰσοτιμίαν τῆς ἁγίας Τριάδος· οἷστισι καὶ αὖθις διὰ Παύλου

              παρήγγειλεν ἐν τῇ πρὸς Γαλάτας ἐπιστολῇ· “Εἰσί τινες, οἵτινες ὑμᾶς θορυβοῦσι,

              θέλοντες στρέψαι τὸ Εὐαγγέλιον Χριστοῦ· ἀλλ' εἰ καὶ ἄγγελος ὑμᾶς ἀπ' οὐρανοῦ

               
              David Robert Palmer
               
               
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