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  • pulsed_ignition
    Considering an ICE is about 25% efficient, you would need to get over 80 MPG on that truck before anyone starts to worry. But you better ask Eric first - I
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 27, 2002
      Considering an ICE is about 25% efficient, you would need to get over
      80 MPG on that truck before anyone starts to worry. But you better
      ask Eric first - I think he wants an motor that runs by itself and
      produces an additional 10Kwh on it's own. This is far in excess of OU
      (by 10Kwh), but its his prize and his rules. A self running motor
      that produces no extra power will still not win the prize, and even
      such a monumental breakthrough would be looked upon as technically
      useless.

      Chris
      The Power is in the PLASMA
      http://members.aol.com/hypercom59


      --- In teslafy@y..., "xp3scorpion" <TSM@b...> wrote:
      > Below is a letter (s) I wrote to Eric Krieg he is a free energy
      > skeptic on the net and claims that he will give 10 grand to anyone
      > demonstrating any free energy or over-unity device. Over-unity is
      > defined as getting more energy out of the device then you put into
      > it. My point is this Mark's truck only gets about 17-18 MPG at
      best
      > but with my VGS unit it gets 34.16 to 35 MPG S..ok if over-unity is
      > defined as getting more energy out of the device then you put into
      > it, am I not then demonstrating over-unity..?
      >
      >
      >
      > Eric
      >
      > This is a free energy vortex generating unit that bolts onto the
      > exterior body of the vehicle. I make absolutely no modifications
      to
      > the crab, engine, drive train etc.. other then to attach my device
      to
      > the exterior body of the vehicle. This is not one of those let
      your
      > foot off the accelerator every time you go down hill or put it in
      > neutral or get behind a big-rig so that you can draft behind it and
      > it certainly isn't one of those 5 horse powered space-aged super-
      > mileage go-carts..that school kids build..!
      >
      > This a real world vehicle used in every day driving its a pick-up
      > truck that only gets 18 MPG at best..! But I increased its MPG to
      > 34.16. without any modifications to the stock vehicle what so
      ever.
      > In fact my concept is the basic building block for every free
      energy
      > device (mechanical or electrical) that will be developed in the
      near
      > future. The problem I face is its 10 grand to patent the unit and
      > there is no available funding if its not patented first. I can't
      come
      > up with the money because I am disabled. And do you really thing
      the
      > Gov. will fund a project like mine..? If so then please show where
      > and how to apply..
      >
      > I don't mind anyone seeing the unit if you think I'll make enough
      > money publicity wise to pay the patent atty. I only have the one
      > prototype so I am not going to let it out of my site and the unit
      is
      > mounted with all-thread because that's all I could afford so this
      > unit has to be mounted to a pick-up for testing. In fact this unit
      > weights 76 pounds..! Due to poor craftsmanship on my part.
      > http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id28.htm
      >
      > Any person claiming that free energy is impossible just does not
      > comprehend the ambient energy spectrum not to mention that I have
      > invented 9 alternate devices with various other applications based
      on
      > this same redundant concepts. This same concept is applicable to
      > windmills, propulsion systems, perpetual motion as long as the
      > components don't degrade.
      >
      > In fact I'll give you a tip, take a windmill for instance where is
      > the built in amplification i.e. causing over-unity to occur.? It
      > doesn't exists because the average windmill/generator is
      incorrectly
      > designed. The current designs know only brute force and they are
      > missing a whole complete stage in their evaluation. Because they
      > only employ the push energy derived from the moving medium and they
      > pay no attention to the pull or suction-head that can be instilled
      > into all devices so that they use both the push and pull energies
      > simultaneously combined thereby driving more energy through the
      > system.
      >
      > If you think that's bunk then you my friend know nothing of
      > turbo/super charging applications leading to hybrid energy
      extraction
      > systems. In other words the key or basic building block to
      > understanding over-unity or free energy devices is right under
      > everyone's noses and any concept not utilizing the basic
      > functionality inherent within the common turbo charging unit will
      > never achieve over-unity because free energy concepts require a 3
      > stage implosion as found on the cold side of the common turbo
      > charger, it moves the medium of air through the radial plane to the
      > toroidal rotation too the axial vortex and without adherence to
      this
      > basic building block no inventor or device will ever achieve over-
      > unity.
      >
      > Rob
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "eric krieg" <eric@v...>
      > To: "Robert A. Patterson" <TSM@b...>
      > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:17 PM
      > Subject: Re: Show Me The Prize Money
      >
      >
      > > sorry - I have tried to get others to offer an award for high
      > mileage
      > > carb claims. I don't do it because it is still within the laws
      of
      > > mainstream physics. There are vehicles that have gotten over
      1000
      > > mpg under scientific testing.
      > >
      > > if you get over 40 mpg for an S-10 - (I think that is a big
      truck),
      > I'll
      > > be willing to help get you publicity and independent credible
      > testing.
      > > Keep me posted
      > >
      > > best wishes,
      > > Eric
      > > PS: if you are open to saying how anyone can do it, I'd be happy
      to
      > > promote that - many people tinker with this stuff
      > >
      > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:15:37 -0700, "Robert A. Patterson"
      > > <TSM@b...> wrote :
      > >
      > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Eric
      > > >
      > > > Would you be willing to give your prize money for a free energy
      > > device that bolts on to any vehicle and will nearly double its
      > average
      > > MPG..? Well, I bolted my VGS unit onto a 1994 Chevy S-10
      Extended
      > > Cab 4.3 Liter V-6 Average gas mileage before the test was 18-MPG.
      I
      > > drove a 100 hundred &.5 tenths-mile distance averaging speeds of
      70
      > > MPH. The vehicle consumed 2.942 Gal. @ $1.399/Gal. of gas per the
      > > 100 mile trip. The odometer reading before the test read 162687.2
      > > and after the test it read 162787.4
      > > >
      > > > That means the average MPG normally consumed by the test
      > > vehicle went form 18-MPG to 34.16 MPG..and that's just the
      > > prototype..!
      > > >
      > > > Robert A. Patterson
    • xp3scorpion
      S..ok let me see if I ve got this, perhaps my methodology isn t simplistic enough. I design a way around the 2% fuel to engine deficiencies inherent in all
      Message 2 of 12 , Nov 27, 2002
        S..ok let me see if I've got this, perhaps my methodology isn't
        simplistic enough.

        I design a way around the 2% fuel to engine deficiencies inherent in
        all automotive designs to date without making any modifications to
        the stock test vehicle, thereby demonstrating the lack of adherence
        to the latent energies contained and accessible within the
        environment, whereby I double the energy output of said test
        vehicle. So we have a 2% fuel consumption equaling a 17 MPG
        distance the test vehicle is capable of traveling, with a negative
        displacement factor of 65% of the total fuel source being consumed
        just braking through the viscosity of the air. 17-MPG at a 2%
        efficiency that's the work the fuel/vehicle is capable of doing.

        Now attach one Ram Implosion Wing to the test vehicle and generate a
        vortex or suction-head. Voila..! You get more work (double the
        distance traveled) out of the vehicle. Over-unity in a real world
        application..

        How dose all this tie into Nikola Tesla..?

        By converting the concept into its electronic equivalencies.

        First and foremost any device that dose not allow for the scavenging
        and recycling of the imputes energy will never achieve a hybrid state
        of energy exchange, its energy enters the environment as a waste
        product and thus will remain a one sided energy exchange from your
        device's output and lost into the environment.

        By comparing an electronic device to that of a fossil fuel motor.
        Where the fossil fuel motor is made to be more efficient by attaching
        a turbo charging "amplification device" to the exhaust whereby the
        lost energy may be recycled thus the impute of energy is raised to a
        higher level of exchange. Scavenging and recycling as is built into
        a common turbo charger must be carried throughout all electronic
        designs and applications otherwise our electronic circuits will
        remain one sided devices incapable of hybrid evolution.

        Robert A. Patterson
        Reverse Engineering Specialist
        Gravitics Among The Ancients
        http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/






        --- In teslafy@y..., "David Thomson" <dave@v...> wrote:
        > am I not then demonstrating over-unity..?
        >
        > No. You are demonstrating fuel efficiency. To get over unity you
        would
        > have to know the total energy content of the fuel and get more
        energy out of
        > it than the total energy content.
        >
        > Dave
        >
      • David Thomson
        ... You re still just improving the efficiency of the vehicle. You haven t taken 4 joules worth of fuel energy and made it do 5 joules worth of work. ...
        Message 3 of 12 , Nov 27, 2002
          >S..ok let me see if I've got this, perhaps my methodology isn't
          >simplistic enough.

          ...

          >Now attach one Ram Implosion Wing to the test vehicle and generate a
          >vortex or suction-head. Voila..! You get more work (double the
          >distance traveled) out of the vehicle. Over-unity in a real world
          >application..

          You're still just improving the efficiency of the vehicle. You haven't
          taken 4 joules worth of fuel energy and made it do 5 joules worth of work.

          >How dose all this tie into Nikola Tesla..?

          There are those who claim Tesla found a way in the 1930's to use vacuum
          tubes for harnessing energy related to the vacuum. This vacuum energy was
          added to the electrical energy moving a load. Thus the system would have
          over unity. The total energy expended is greater than the energy put into a
          circuit. This extra energy could be used in part to keep the system running
          continuously. The vacuum doesn't count as circuit energy because the vacuum
          isn't officially recognized as something pertaining to the circuit.

          In the fuel system you are referring to you are moving toward unity, not
          passed it.

          >By comparing an electronic device to that of a fossil fuel motor.
          >Where the fossil fuel motor is made to be more efficient by attaching
          >a turbo charging "amplification device" to the exhaust whereby the
          >lost energy may be recycled thus the impute of energy is raised to a
          >higher level of exchange. Scavenging and recycling as is built into
          >a common turbo charger must be carried throughout all electronic
          >designs and applications otherwise our electronic circuits will
          >remain one sided devices incapable of hybrid evolution.

          Recycling energy is energy efficiency. Recycling alone cannot give more
          energy than the energy put into the circuit. In fact, the recycling process
          itself will consume some amount of energy even if just in the form of
          friction.

          The Tesla Pierce Arrow has been theorized by some to actually draw on the
          mechanics of the vacuum for maintaining an electric current. It's like
          running a car with a 100 mph tail wind. It would seem that the car is
          getting overunity if the tail wind was not accounted for. The irony is,
          once Tesla's device is rediscovered, a new mathematics will arise to account
          for the extra mechanical action of the aether and once again overunity will
          be impossible in scientific eyes.

          Dave
        • xp3scorpion
          Great insight on Tesla and his use of the Vacuum thanks that helped to clear up some things for me..! Clearly tho:) we don t see eye to eye on the recycling of
          Message 4 of 12 , Nov 28, 2002
            Great insight on Tesla and his use of the Vacuum thanks that helped
            to clear up some things for me..!

            Clearly tho:) we don't see eye to eye on the recycling of ambient
            environmental energy...

            Robert A. Patterson
            Reverse Engineering Specialist
            Gravitics Among The Ancients
            http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/








            --- In teslafy@y..., "David Thomson" <dave@v...> wrote:
            > >S..ok let me see if I've got this, perhaps my methodology isn't
            > >simplistic enough.
            >
            > ...
            >
            > >Now attach one Ram Implosion Wing to the test vehicle and generate
            a
            > >vortex or suction-head. Voila..! You get more work (double the
            > >distance traveled) out of the vehicle. Over-unity in a real world
            > >application..
            >
            > You're still just improving the efficiency of the vehicle. You
            haven't
            > taken 4 joules worth of fuel energy and made it do 5 joules worth
            of work.
            >
            > >How dose all this tie into Nikola Tesla..?
            >
            > There are those who claim Tesla found a way in the 1930's to use
            vacuum
            > tubes for harnessing energy related to the vacuum. This vacuum
            energy was
            > added to the electrical energy moving a load. Thus the system
            would have
            > over unity. The total energy expended is greater than the energy
            put into a
            > circuit. This extra energy could be used in part to keep the
            system running
            > continuously. The vacuum doesn't count as circuit energy because
            the vacuum
            > isn't officially recognized as something pertaining to the circuit.
            >
            > In the fuel system you are referring to you are moving toward
            unity, not
            > passed it.
            >
            > >By comparing an electronic device to that of a fossil fuel motor.
            > >Where the fossil fuel motor is made to be more efficient by
            attaching
            > >a turbo charging "amplification device" to the exhaust whereby the
            > >lost energy may be recycled thus the impute of energy is raised to
            a
            > >higher level of exchange. Scavenging and recycling as is built
            into
            > >a common turbo charger must be carried throughout all electronic
            > >designs and applications otherwise our electronic circuits will
            > >remain one sided devices incapable of hybrid evolution.
            >
            > Recycling energy is energy efficiency. Recycling alone cannot give
            more
            > energy than the energy put into the circuit. In fact, the
            recycling process
            > itself will consume some amount of energy even if just in the form
            of
            > friction.
            >
            > The Tesla Pierce Arrow has been theorized by some to actually draw
            on the
            > mechanics of the vacuum for maintaining an electric current. It's
            like
            > running a car with a 100 mph tail wind. It would seem that the car
            is
            > getting overunity if the tail wind was not accounted for. The
            irony is,
            > once Tesla's device is rediscovered, a new mathematics will arise
            to account
            > for the extra mechanical action of the aether and once again
            overunity will
            > be impossible in scientific eyes.
            >
            > Dave
          • xp3scorpion
            Hello I ve been working with a circuit that involves the extraction of ambient energy from the environment via a Cavity QED concept which inductively
            Message 5 of 12 , Nov 29, 2002
              Hello

              I've been working with a circuit that involves the extraction of
              ambient energy from the environment via a Cavity QED concept which
              inductively energizing a Tank Circuit by emitting a static charge via
              fission within the Optical Cavity thereby energizing the Tank
              Circuit. Similar to Tesla's method utilized for radiant energy
              transmission or reception i.e. X-ray tube which he operated form the
              top of his Tesla coils, thereby providing a means to charge the
              elevated condenser plate/antenna. Whenever the terminals are closed
              via rotation with armatures the stored energy would discharge.

              Cavity quantum electrodynamics (cavity QED) may be loosely described
              as the study of atom-field dynamics in the presence of boundaries
              said boundaries collectively constituting a cavity and are
              significant in that they perturb the spatial and/or spectral
              structure and distribution of electromagnetic field modes relative to
              the free-space norm, thereby opening the door to new and unique
              phenomenology.

              A wide range of physical systems fall within the scope of cavity QED.
              At one extreme, we have an isolated atom interacting with a single
              undampened field mode. More realistically, systems may consist of
              atoms and field modes, all of which experience damping due to the
              interaction with one or more reservoir. Phenomena that are
              specifically identified with cavity QED tend to appear in the regime
              of strong atom-cavity coupling i.e., when the interaction of an atom
              with a single cavity photon becomes important.

              Cavity atoms experience significant squeezing under the influence of
              strong driving fields. These squeezing effects are intrinsically
              connected to the polarization of dressed state populations by tuning
              the cavity appropriately close to the atomic transition frequency we
              may induce a non-vanishing inversion of the dressed-state's setting
              the standard for optimal conditions for atomic squeezing

              In the case of an isolated two-level atom, the most important damping
              mechanism is a spontaneous radiative decay. This mechanism is
              associated with the coupling of the atom to the "zero point
              electromagnetic fields" empty-cavity transmission resonance's are
              found to split in the presence of the atoms and under these
              conditions the cavities temporal responses are found to be
              oscillatory. These effects may be viewed as a manifestation of a
              vacuum-field Rabi splitting or as a simple consequence of the linear
              absorption and dispersion of the inter-cavity atoms.

              The problem I encountered with the Optical Waveguide and choke coil
              that I designed was poor craftsmanship due to my lack of experience
              and the lack of access to any milling equipment so I was forced to
              hack the waveguide out by hand. Needless to say I have not been able
              to get the waveguide to function enough to energize the tank circuit
              which consist of a single turn coil loop antenna with 8 strategically
              positioned capacitors and a set of spark gap electrodes.

              Meanwhile

              I have long since contemplated an experiment that would allow me to
              energize the tank circuit thereby circumventing the use of the
              waveguide at least temporally until I could rebuild the Cavity QED
              Waveguide ZPE Inverter..

              Cutting to the Chase..

              Thinking about Tesla I realized that the basic building block that is
              the High Voltage system and choke coil of the TV is Tesla's coil
              idea. We've all noted the static charge near the TV
              screen..right..? So I realized that a TV or PC monitor might make a
              suitable yet temporary replacement and thus be able to transmit a
              static charge into the Tank Circuit antenna coil. By applying
              Tesla's X-ray tube method, utilized for radiant energy transmission
              or reception which he operated form the top of his Tesla coils,
              thereby providing a means to charge the elevated condenser
              plate/antenna.

              Bear in mind that I don't want to build a Tesla Coil per-se I just
              want to use the TV or PC monitor as the static energy source to
              energize the tank circuit because its function is similar to the
              waveguide emitting a static field charge. I happened to open-up a TV
              set the other day and while reading the warring label discovered that
              any picture tube that is operated above the design maximum anode
              voltage may require special shielding precautions against X-ray
              radiation. Thus I deduced that a PC or TV monitor could be
              substituted in place of the Cavity QED Waveguide Inverter
              transmitting an energizing field into the tank circuit antenna
              similar to Tesla's idea.

              Playing around with the idea a little I moved one of my
              Electrogravitic lifters near the screen and it swung towards it. Then
              I turned the TV on and off and when the TV shut off the lifter was
              sucked up to and stuck too the screen and I got shocked with about
              25 thousand volts..! I did that a couple times then switched to
              holding the lifter with an insolated Gator-clip before it got to late
              to play.

              I'm thinking that the only thing missing from the equation of
              implementing the TV or PC monitor as the source of an ionizing field
              may be a set of spark gap electrodes either taped into the existing
              choke coil as a as a rotary gap..? Or as a separate coil wound
              around the existing choke coil with a set of spark gap electrodes or
              maybe only as safety gaps..? Thereby effectively causing the TV or
              PC monitor to act as a transmitter and thus inductively energize the
              tank circuit..

              Suggestions.. Comments?

              Robert A. Patterson
              Reverse Engineering Specialist
              Gravitics Among The Ancients
              http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/
            • xyme3@aol.com
              In the Wardencliff project Tesla may have utilized a disruptor coil in place of a spark gap. Suggestions of this on most lists have resulted in my emails being
              Message 6 of 12 , Dec 6, 2002
                In the Wardencliff project Tesla may have utilized a disruptor coil in place
                of a spark gap.
                Suggestions of this on most lists have resulted in my emails being rejected.
                Also interesting to note is that a Chinese scientists thinks that electrical
                charge results when (dark matter particles) pass through a moveing conductor
                in the presence of a magnetic field. This would seem to explain how disk
                generators work.
                In relation to your project also, a bifilar coil could act to capture
                radiant energy. I would suggest a four foot diameter bifilar coil connected
                to a source of direct current(Solar cell) ,or maybe alternateing current.One
                of these placed at a higher elevation and one that is shielded or at a lower
                elevation should register a difference of potential. Flow between the
                bifilar coils could be shown to be in excess of the current to which they are
                connected.
                regards, paul
              • xp3scorpion <TSM@brightok.net>
                Thanks Paul, problem is I have very little hands on experience with practical Tesla coil applications i.e. tank circuits but I know exactly what I m looking
                Message 7 of 12 , Dec 6, 2002
                  Thanks Paul, problem is I have very little hands on experience with
                  practical Tesla coil applications i.e. tank circuits but I know
                  exactly what I'm looking for because I have a 6 thousand year old
                  schematic that I decoded the Cavity QED waveguide circuitry from.
                  The main problem I've encountered is the ancient schematics depict
                  some of the components as being energized inductively. These same
                  tank/antenna circuits are wired through the antenna to ground but the
                  ancient schematics shows the antenna and coil separated with a drift
                  region in-between the antenna and the coil, the coil has the spark
                  gap electrodes wired into it.

                  One of the things I was trying to assertion is if the capacitance is
                  stored in the surrounding space outside the antenna or "choke coil".
                  If this is true then it could explain the lack of direct connections
                  between the antenna and choke coil as well as the lack of capacitors,
                  as is depicted by the ancient schematics. Plauson's converter is the
                  closest diagram that I could come up with that most resembles the
                  circuit depicted by the ancient schematics I decoded
                  http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id22.htm Forth diagram
                  down the page. The last diagram on the page is my circuit and here
                  is a static model
                  http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id21.htm photo of the
                  unit, the circuit progress as you scroll down the page..

                  Robert A. Patterson
                  Reverse Engineering Specialist
                  Gravitics Among The Ancients
                  http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/



                  --- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, xyme3@a... wrote:
                  > In the Wardencliff project Tesla may have utilized a disruptor coil
                  in place
                  > of a spark gap.
                  > Suggestions of this on most lists have resulted in my emails being
                  rejected.
                  > Also interesting to note is that a Chinese scientists thinks that
                  electrical
                  > charge results when (dark matter particles) pass through a moveing
                  conductor
                  > in the presence of a magnetic field. This would seem to explain how
                  disk
                  > generators work.
                  > In relation to your project also, a bifilar coil could act to
                  capture
                  > radiant energy. I would suggest a four foot diameter bifilar coil
                  connected
                  > to a source of direct current(Solar cell) ,or maybe alternateing
                  current.One
                  > of these placed at a higher elevation and one that is shielded or
                  at a lower
                  > elevation should register a difference of potential. Flow between
                  the
                  > bifilar coils could be shown to be in excess of the current to
                  which they are
                  > connected.
                  > regards, paul
                • xyme3@aol.com
                  In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:10:37 PM, TSM@brightok.net writes:
                  Message 8 of 12 , Dec 7, 2002
                    In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:10:37 PM, TSM@... writes:

                    <<
                    Thanks Paul, problem is I have very little hands on experience with
                    practical Tesla coil applications i.e. tank circuits but I know
                    exactly what I'm looking for because I have a 6 thousand year old
                    schematic that I decoded the Cavity QED waveguide circuitry from.

                    Do i have a tank circuit for you. In the book by Martain,
                    "Research, Writings and Inventions of Nikola Tesla" A tank
                    circuit is diagramed that contains spark gaps and a
                    disruptor coil.
                    The main problem I've encountered is the ancient schematics depict
                    some of the components as being energized inductively. These same
                    tank/antenna circuits are wired through the antenna to ground but the
                    ancient schematics shows the antenna and coil separated with a drift
                    region in-between the antenna and the coil, the coil has the spark
                    gap electrodes wired into it.

                    Does sound like a Tesla coil.

                    One of the things I was trying to assertion is if the capacitance is
                    stored in the surrounding space outside the antenna or "choke coil".

                    I think you to be correct, however to store large amounts
                    the upper and lower coils must have a thick dielectric. In
                    Tesla's Warden Cliff project a tower was constructed between
                    the lower coil and the 55 ton iron torrid. The upper charge
                    had no place to go so stored considerable voltage. In his project
                    Tesla connected the upper torrid to four oil filled capacitors
                    which measured about a meter cubed.

                    If this is true then it could explain the lack of direct connections
                    between the antenna and choke coil as well as the lack of capacitors,
                    as is depicted by the ancient schematics.

                    A condenser, i am told, is essentially a capacitor.
                    A bifilar coil acts a condenser the amount of capacity
                    geometrically proportional to the size.
                    (A four foot diameter coil would be a capicator capable
                    of storeing almost unbelieveable amounts of charge.)

                    Plauson's converter is the
                    closest diagram that I could come up with that most resembles the
                    circuit depicted by the ancient schematics I decoded
                    http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id22.htm Forth diagram
                    down the page. The last diagram on the page is my circuit and here
                    is a static model
                    http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id21.htm photo of the
                    unit, the circuit progress as you scroll down the page..
                    >>

                    >To get RGA-3 to resonate pulses of energy have to be fed at just the right
                    rate and frequency. A good analogy is that of a bell. To get the bell to ring
                    you need to tap it with a hammer. If you tap too hard you can crack the bell
                    and if you tap and hold the hammer on the bell too long you don't get a clean
                    pure tone out of the bell.<

                    The above is an extraction from the web page you mention. In
                    the Tesla Warden cliff project pulses of energy are fed in at
                    different rates, somewhat analagous to several persons with
                    different size hammers tapping on a bell. My opinion of what
                    happens is that multiple overlapping frequencies are produced,
                    each separate frequency being stored in the form of an oscillation.

                    > It is at this zero-point where energy is condensed into positive and
                    negative components of current.  When energy escapes from the "sink" the
                    magnetic field collapses and a strong magnetic quake is created in its wake.
                     A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant energy in such a
                    prescribed arrangement. <
                    A bifilar coil also acts as an electromagnet.
                    If you notice, large flatspiral coils are depicted in the
                    Tesla diagrams on methods of transmitting electrical
                    energy where two coils are tuned as transmitter
                    and reciever. A bifilar coil can also be wound on
                    a parabolic surface.
                    I will try at some point to send a diagram or page
                    numbers on some of Tesla's windings and tank circuits.
                    paul
                  • xp3scorpion <TSM@brightok.net>
                    Paul Actually, I have two spiral or pan-cake coils 6 inches in diameter each, which are the feeder ends to my delta antenna and tandem beat frequency radio
                    Message 9 of 12 , Dec 8, 2002
                      Paul

                      Actually, I have two spiral or pan-cake coils 6 inches in diameter
                      each, which are the feeder ends to my delta antenna and tandem beat
                      frequency radio cavities. A single turn coil inductor loop 2 feet by
                      6 inches in diameter, said single turn coil inductor/loop antenna is
                      the tank circuit and/or the spark gap transmitter. The tank circuit
                      has 8 variable capacitors strategically positioned around its
                      circumference.

                      The thing that was boggling my mind was the fact that I use an
                      antenna similar to the Plauson's converter only in my circuit I
                      employ an Resanent Optical Waveguide Antenna which is supposed to
                      resonate the ferrite bead choke coil inductor via far field
                      radiation.? Said choke coil inductor has 4 sets of spark gap
                      electrodes positioned around the circumference of the coil located at
                      12, 3, 6, & 9 o-clock positions. Plauson's converter is identical to
                      mine except that Plauson's converter is wired directly to the coil
                      with the capacitors and spark gap electrodes preceding the coil.
                      Where as my coil and antenna are separated by a drift region as per
                      the ancient schematics.

                      So I was trying to ascertain if my waveguide antenna and coil circuit
                      should be wired the same as the Plauson's converter of if in fact it
                      could be energized inductively via the far field radiation emission
                      of the resanent waveguide..? The only indication of capacitors I
                      have from the ancient schematics are some lumped element symbols
                      located on the waveguide antenna itself but other then that there
                      is "no" other indication that the waveguide and the ferrite bead
                      choke coil has hard wired connections as indicated by the gap or
                      drift region between the coil and the antenna that I translated from
                      the ancient schematics.

                      Although, it is possible that I may be looking at the circuit from
                      the wrong perspective. Believing that the waveguide antenna
                      energizes the entire circuit solely on its own is a-kin to a brute
                      force concept which would be incorrect. I keep thing that I should
                      get one set of components to work at a time but it may be that the
                      circuit only works when it is complete and the parabolic dish is
                      combined into the circuit as the dish would cause the impulse of
                      energy focused or bouncing away from the disk antenna in the form of
                      a helical or vortex thereby imploding or pulling the energy through
                      the circuit vs. being pushed solely from the waveguide antenna..?

                      Robert A. Patterson
                      Reverse Engineering Specialist
                      Gravitics Among The Ancients
                      http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com/




                      --- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, xyme3@a... wrote:
                      >
                      > In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:10:37 PM, TSM@b... writes:
                      >
                      > <<
                      > Thanks Paul, problem is I have very little hands on experience with
                      > practical Tesla coil applications i.e. tank circuits but I know
                      > exactly what I'm looking for because I have a 6 thousand year old
                      > schematic that I decoded the Cavity QED waveguide circuitry from.
                      >
                      > Do i have a tank circuit for you. In the book by Martain,
                      > "Research, Writings and Inventions of Nikola Tesla" A tank
                      > circuit is diagramed that contains spark gaps and a
                      > disruptor coil.
                      > The main problem I've encountered is the ancient schematics depict
                      > some of the components as being energized inductively. These same
                      > tank/antenna circuits are wired through the antenna to ground but
                      the
                      > ancient schematics shows the antenna and coil separated with a
                      drift
                      > region in-between the antenna and the coil, the coil has the spark
                      > gap electrodes wired into it.
                      >
                      > Does sound like a Tesla coil.
                      >
                      > One of the things I was trying to assertion is if the capacitance
                      is
                      > stored in the surrounding space outside the antenna or "choke
                      coil".
                      >
                      > I think you to be correct, however to store large amounts
                      > the upper and lower coils must have a thick dielectric. In
                      > Tesla's Warden Cliff project a tower was constructed between
                      > the lower coil and the 55 ton iron torrid. The upper charge
                      > had no place to go so stored considerable voltage. In his project
                      > Tesla connected the upper torrid to four oil filled capacitors
                      > which measured about a meter cubed.
                      >
                      > If this is true then it could explain the lack of direct
                      connections
                      > between the antenna and choke coil as well as the lack of
                      capacitors,
                      > as is depicted by the ancient schematics.
                      >
                      > A condenser, i am told, is essentially a capacitor.
                      > A bifilar coil acts a condenser the amount of capacity
                      > geometrically proportional to the size.
                      > (A four foot diameter coil would be a capicator capable
                      > of storeing almost unbelieveable amounts of charge.)
                      >
                      > Plauson's converter is the
                      > closest diagram that I could come up with that most resembles the
                      > circuit depicted by the ancient schematics I decoded
                      > http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id22.htm Forth diagram
                      > down the page. The last diagram on the page is my circuit and here
                      > is a static model
                      > http://members.tripod.com/ancientgravitics/id21.htm photo of the
                      > unit, the circuit progress as you scroll down the page..
                      > >>
                      >
                      > >To get RGA-3 to resonate pulses of energy have to be fed at just
                      the right
                      > rate and frequency. A good analogy is that of a bell. To get the
                      bell to ring
                      > you need to tap it with a hammer. If you tap too hard you can crack
                      the bell
                      > and if you tap and hold the hammer on the bell too long you don't
                      get a clean
                      > pure tone out of the bell.<
                      >
                      > The above is an extraction from the web page you mention. In
                      > the Tesla Warden cliff project pulses of energy are fed in at
                      > different rates, somewhat analagous to several persons with
                      > different size hammers tapping on a bell. My opinion of what
                      > happens is that multiple overlapping frequencies are produced,
                      > each separate frequency being stored in the form of an oscillation.
                      >
                      > > It is at this zero-point where energy is condensed into positive
                      and
                      > negative components of current.  When energy escapes from
                      the "sink" the
                      > magnetic field collapses and a strong magnetic quake is created in
                      its wake.
                      >  A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant energy in
                      such a
                      > prescribed arrangement. <
                      > A bifilar coil also acts as an electromagnet.
                      > If you notice, large flatspiral coils are depicted in the
                      > Tesla diagrams on methods of transmitting electrical
                      > energy where two coils are tuned as transmitter
                      > and reciever. A bifilar coil can also be wound on
                      > a parabolic surface.
                      > I will try at some point to send a diagram or page
                      > numbers on some of Tesla's windings and tank circuits.
                      > paul
                    • xyme3@aol.com
                      In a message dated 12/8/2002 6:41:19 AM, TSM@brightok.net writes:
                      Message 10 of 12 , Dec 9, 2002
                        In a message dated 12/8/2002 6:41:19 AM, TSM@... writes:

                        << Robert, replies are included below.


                        >Actually, I have two spiral or pan-cake coils 6 inches in diameter

                        each, which are the feeder ends to my delta antenna and tandem beat

                        frequency radio cavities. A single turn coil inductor loop 2 feet by

                        6 inches in diameter, said single turn coil inductor/loop antenna is

                        the tank circuit and/or the spark gap transmitter. The tank circuit

                        has 8 variable capacitors strategically positioned around its

                        circumference.


                        The thing that was boggling my mind was the fact that I use an

                        antenna similar to the Plauson's converter only in my circuit I

                        employ an Resanent Optical Waveguide Antenna which is supposed to

                        resonate the ferrite bead choke coil inductor via far field

                        radiation.? Said choke coil inductor has 4 sets of spark gap

                        electrodes positioned around the circumference of the coil located at

                        12, 3, 6, & 9 o-clock positions. Plauson's converter is identical to

                        mine except that Plauson's converter is wired directly to the coil

                        with the capacitors and spark gap electrodes preceding the coil.

                        Where as my coil and antenna are separated by a drift region as per

                        the ancient schematics.


                        So I was trying to ascertain if my waveguide antenna and coil circuit

                        should be wired the same as the Plauson's converter of if in fact it

                        could be energized inductively via the far field radiation emission

                        of the resanent waveguide..? <

                        I am not sufficiently versed in some of the material
                        you mention to comment.However i will continue to look into the
                        field. I do know bifilar coils, since they form an electromagnet,
                        can be energized inductively.


                        >The only indication of capacitors I

                        have from the ancient schematics are some lumped element symbols

                        located on the waveguide antenna itself but other then that there

                        is "no" other indication that the waveguide and the ferrite bead

                        choke coil has hard wired connections as indicated by the gap or

                        drift region between the coil and the antenna that I translated from

                        the ancient schematics.<

                        One primative form of capacitor is a brass plug capacitor. Simply
                        a brass (or is it bronze) plug suspended in oil. Another capacitor
                        which stores large amounts of either direct or alternateing
                        current is an oil filled plate capacitor.


                        >Although, it is possible that I may be looking at the circuit from

                        the wrong perspective. Believing that the waveguide antenna

                        energizes the entire circuit solely on its own is a-kin to a brute

                        force concept which would be incorrect. I keep thing that I should

                        get one set of components to work at a time but it may be that the

                        circuit only works when it is complete and the parabolic dish is

                        combined into the circuit as the dish would cause the impulse of

                        energy focused or bouncing away from the disk antenna in the form of

                        a helical or vortex thereby imploding or pulling the energy through

                        the circuit vs. being pushed solely from the waveguide antenna..?>

                        Not sure percisely how the afore mentioned device would work,
                        however i know Tesla proposed the collection of cosmic rays
                        indicateing that high speed particles moving near light speeds
                        would regularly pass through the earth. This has been confirmed
                        by recent tests where dry cleaning solvent is stored deep beneath
                        the earth, and is altered when these particles pass through.
                        The energy released if one of the particles could be stopped or
                        at least slowed by magnetic field would be tremendous.
                        Paul



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