- Jones has some deep thoughts about things. So I could just give a

simple example of what speculation can consist of. Even years ago

there was talk of how the ozone bulb with a steam mixture

condensation/ a la the modern moonshiner via ozone bulb, has a claim

that it produces a changed phase angle with watered steam upon

condensation. Yes Jones formed a good reply back then, saying that a

water phase angle is only a randome percentage of samplings amongst

many phase angles on the observed molecules, or something like that,

but when you get old like I am, you forget these kind of replies over

the years of time, but when you see replies that stick out

significantly, you begin to wonder; how could I have forgot such a

thing.

Anyhoots , to Jones credit he is a frequent contributor to vortex

list; a leading theoretician that involves us "amateurs" as to what

happens in the real world of chemistry and material sciences. Jones

also volunteered to test resonant heated samples of SrFe for

radioactivity with his geiger counter; finding no levels there, and

has been helpful with other experimental suggestions, and supplied

good info on Strontium ferrite characteristics. But that insn't what

this award is about; it is an honorary award made for being a

thinker; which means to introduce new thoughts...

Re: [teslafy] Do Dreams Reflect the Future?/ Examples of

Precognition. jonesbeene

Harvey,

"For what its worth - probably nothing: I had kind of waking-dream

about a self-spinning experiment. It could have been an experiment

which has coils like your pancake type flat speaker wire coils, one

is never sure about the details. There were three disks of the

same kind of windings. The one in the middle was stationary and the

one above rotated CW and the one below CCW. There were commutators so

that the mutual induction was shared somehow.

There were no gears so the rotation must have been phase-locked, and

magnets must have been in there but none were apparent. Once started,

it would spin up to certain RPM and then continue to spin until

manually stoped."

(HDN comments)

Yes then I was going back to the common work, but now the work

becomes special. In fact Fessenden counter-rotated stator cores

against a moving field to gain the greatest frequency in their joint

(Alexsanderson) invention of high frequency alternators, used with

early radio transmittors. However the thought here is truly

impressive, by virtue of the fact that the pancake coils should loose

no mutual induction by virtue of this axial rotation; simply because

what is loosely interpreted as the gyromagnetic ratio/ Einstein

DeHaas exp/ defines the reorientation of domains as a physical

property associated with ferromagnetics/ wherein the case example

compared to here involves strictly rotation of copper magnetic fields

arranged to supply high mutual inductions; whereby in experimental

avenues it has been supposed that the true axial rotation of a

magnetic field never actually happens.

In any case the mutual induction of these pancake coils can be easily

measured by LCR meter, a somewhat unusual thing for air core coils.

The question of whether rotation would affect their mutual inductance

is an important one; I would believe it does not, but such an

assembly just to test a principle is not my expertise at the moment.

In any case the subject is open to other experimentors and myself

also in the future. But for now I think you should be mentioned for

bringing forward this idea which I immediately wished to make a

future responce on, but things are delayed in reaction. I was going

down the name list to find something; and your good comments were

there.

HDN - Hey Harvey,

Thanks for the compliments. I had totally forgotten about that

post.

But come to think of it, if HTSC (high temperature

superconductivity) ever does become commercial, something like

that might work.

And since you mentioned some of the early "wireless" pioneers,

think about this: it might be possible to rig up three of your

pancake coils to "self-spin" on good ball bearings - using ambient

radio "waves" (near a three phase HV line) as the "hidden" power

source.

Not OU, but it would amaze people who did not catch on to what was

going on...

Of course 60 cycle is a very long wavelength, 5 km, but have you

ever found a far shorter coil that was strongly resonant for 60

cycle? Let's see... 78.125 meters ( 5Km/ 8*8) is probably too long

for a pancake coil, but is 19.53 meters possible?

Jones

Opps, these figures are based on lightspeed in a vacuum and would

need to be corrected for copper/aluminum.... - --- Jones Beene <jonesb9@...> wrote:

> Hey Harvey,

Heres a jpeg where I left off on this work;

>

> Thanks for the compliments. I had totally forgotten

> about that

> post.

>

> But come to think of it, if HTSC (high temperature

> superconductivity) ever does become commercial,

> something like

> that might work.

7.6 A SrFe Conductions Via wall & alternator input

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/SP/Dsc00754.jpg

Early (AC alternator)experiments showed that when the

"acting resistance" of a ferrite glow was at 7 ohms

the load and the networks are "impedance matched" so

to speak, since the reactance of the delivery wires

are also 7 ohms. If the resistance of the load were to

go below this seven ohms; this drives the alternator

resonant 480 hz circuit in the direction of a tank

circuit; where resonant rise of amperage may appear,

with the net effect of a greater efficiency of power

delivery.

So what was done here was to merge two DC currents

through the ferrite, one obtained from a wall voltage

step down transformer powered by variac, and set for

about 15 volts DC, and the other input the alternator

resonant one.

The nornal operation of the alternator resonant

circuit for a ~60 watt empowerment to produce the glow

is 21 volts enabling 3 A, showing that a 3 A

conduction yeilds a resistance of 7 ohms.

In the jpeg the currents through the piece have gone

to 7.6 A a 2.5 fold increase of current.

If things were linear we might suppose the the

resistance should drop 2.5 times inveresely linear to

the 2.5 fold amperage increase.

So here with both inputs 13.8 volts is enabling a

combined 7.6 A for an acting resistance of 1.8 ohms

7/2.5 = 2.8 ohms.

These are only just some rough estimates but it

appears the acting resistance itself may be a bit

non-linear.

The net result of the extra wall source delivering

amperage through the piece on the alternator resonant

circuit was that now its "interphasal load" has been

reduced from 7 ohms to 1.8 ohms making its circuit

more efficient in delivery of that 3.74 A portion of

amperage to the shown ferrite glow.

> And since you mentioned some of the early "wireless"

Numbers may be a bit off here.

> pioneers,

> think about this: it might be possible to rig up

> three of your

> pancake coils to "self-spin" on good ball bearings -

> using ambient

> radio "waves" (near a three phase HV line) as the

> "hidden" power

> source.

>

> Not OU, but it would amaze people who did not catch

> on to what was

> going on...

>

> Of course 60 cycle is a very long wavelength, 5 km,

> but have you

> ever found a far shorter coil that was strongly

> resonant for 60

> cycle? Let's see... 78.125 meters ( 5Km/ 8*8) is

> probably too long

> for a pancake coil, but is 19.53 meters possible?

>

> Jones

>

> Opps, these figures are based on lightspeed in a

> vacuum and would

> need to be corrected for copper/aluminum....

The following info is from

http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/tesla.htm

Our

Navy manages to transmit a 75 Hz frequency to our

submarines but has to use a 768-mile long quarter-wave

antenna in Wisconsin to do it."

HDN; meters/sec divided by cycles/sec actually yeilds

an answer in the terms of meters/cycle. Mike seems

correct in then stating that the "actual" quarter wave

resonator would then be a length of one quarter of

this derived full wave length value. Now we can go

further and analyze the stated resonant value given

for a 768 mile antennae.

First we multiply by 4 to obtain the wavelength at

3072 miles Dividing by the speed of light at 186,000

miles /sec yeilds a time period of .0165 seconds for

one cycle. The reciprocal of this is 60.5

hz. So what gives with the 75 hz answer in the

example? Well as Paul Nicholson has pointed out, the

quarter wave length theory is only a guideline, and in

most all examples with tesla coils, the actual

resonant frequency is slightly higher than that given

by the quarter wavelength example.

I seem to remember being at Ann Arbor Mich at the

University there, and the physics dept may have some

studies associated on a display chart of the system,

and for some reason there were also dealing with

superconductivity?? Perhaps they need huge amperage

surges to communicate through the earth with this long

antenna. I seem to remeber a 22 mile quote, which

might have beeen the diameter of the buried spiral. A

lot of speculation here.

HDN

Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjNLlhllcvk

--- In teslafy@yahoogroups.com, Harvey Norris <harvich@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- Jones Beene <jonesb9@...> wrote:

>

> > Hey Harvey,

> >

> > Thanks for the compliments. I had totally forgotten

> > about that

> > post.

> >

> > But come to think of it, if HTSC (high temperature

> > superconductivity) ever does become commercial,

> > something like

> > that might work.

> Heres a jpeg where I left off on this work;

> 7.6 A SrFe Conductions Via wall & alternator input

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/SP/Dsc00754.jpg

>

> Early (AC alternator)experiments showed that when the

> "acting resistance" of a ferrite glow was at 7 ohms

> the load and the networks are "impedance matched" so

> to speak, since the reactance of the delivery wires

> are also 7 ohms. If the resistance of the load were to

> go below this seven ohms; this drives the alternator

> resonant 480 hz circuit in the direction of a tank

> circuit; where resonant rise of amperage may appear,

> with the net effect of a greater efficiency of power

> delivery.

>

> So what was done here was to merge two DC currents

> through the ferrite, one obtained from a wall voltage

> step down transformer powered by variac, and set for

> about 15 volts DC, and the other input the alternator

> resonant one.

>

> The nornal operation of the alternator resonant

> circuit for a ~60 watt empowerment to produce the glow

> is 21 volts enabling 3 A, showing that a 3 A

> conduction yeilds a resistance of 7 ohms.

>

> In the jpeg the currents through the piece have gone

> to 7.6 A a 2.5 fold increase of current.

>

> If things were linear we might suppose the the

> resistance should drop 2.5 times inveresely linear to

> the 2.5 fold amperage increase.

>

> So here with both inputs 13.8 volts is enabling a

> combined 7.6 A for an acting resistance of 1.8 ohms

>

> 7/2.5 = 2.8 ohms.

>

> These are only just some rough estimates but it

> appears the acting resistance itself may be a bit

> non-linear.

> The net result of the extra wall source delivering

> amperage through the piece on the alternator resonant

> circuit was that now its "interphasal load" has been

> reduced from 7 ohms to 1.8 ohms making its circuit

> more efficient in delivery of that 3.74 A portion of

> amperage to the shown ferrite glow.

>

> > And since you mentioned some of the early "wireless"

> > pioneers,

> > think about this: it might be possible to rig up

> > three of your

> > pancake coils to "self-spin" on good ball bearings -

> > using ambient

> > radio "waves" (near a three phase HV line) as the

> > "hidden" power

> > source.

> >

> > Not OU, but it would amaze people who did not catch

> > on to what was

> > going on...

> >

> > Of course 60 cycle is a very long wavelength, 5 km,

> > but have you

> > ever found a far shorter coil that was strongly

> > resonant for 60

> > cycle? Let's see... 78.125 meters ( 5Km/ 8*8) is

> > probably too long

> > for a pancake coil, but is 19.53 meters possible?

> >

> > Jones

> >

> > Opps, these figures are based on lightspeed in a

> > vacuum and would

> > need to be corrected for copper/aluminum....

> Numbers may be a bit off here.

> The following info is from

> http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/tesla.htm

> Our

> Navy manages to transmit a 75 Hz frequency to our

> submarines but has to use a 768-mile long quarter-wave

> antenna in Wisconsin to do it."

>

> HDN; meters/sec divided by cycles/sec actually yeilds

> an answer in the terms of meters/cycle. Mike seems

> correct in then stating that the "actual" quarter wave

> resonator would then be a length of one quarter of

> this derived full wave length value. Now we can go

> further and analyze the stated resonant value given

> for a 768 mile antennae.

> First we multiply by 4 to obtain the wavelength at

> 3072 miles Dividing by the speed of light at 186,000

> miles /sec yeilds a time period of .0165 seconds for

> one cycle. The reciprocal of this is 60.5

> hz. So what gives with the 75 hz answer in the

> example? Well as Paul Nicholson has pointed out, the

> quarter wave length theory is only a guideline, and in

> most all examples with tesla coils, the actual

> resonant frequency is slightly higher than that given

> by the quarter wavelength example.

>

> I seem to remember being at Ann Arbor Mich at the

> University there, and the physics dept may have some

> studies associated on a display chart of the system,

> and for some reason there were also dealing with

> superconductivity?? Perhaps they need huge amperage

> surges to communicate through the earth with this long

> antenna. I seem to remeber a 22 mile quote, which

> might have beeen the diameter of the buried spiral. A

> lot of speculation here.

>

> HDN

>

>

> Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal

Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

> - --- Chris Arnold wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjNLlhllcvk

Kewl ... Chris - BTW does the nanolube contain

"Buckey-Balls"?

Now if you can just connect the fans to an electric

genset and then put a hybrid drive train in that

Porsche ... lubricated with the special stuff, of

course ... voila: a 'free ride' on a windy day? ...

perfect for Chicago.