## Re: [jlnlabs] Tesla Magna Coil Concept.

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• To: jlnlabs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 ... If one starts out with a very narrow diameter solenoid, using a single layer of windings, some amazing
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004

--- OnTheCuttingEdge2005
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> Hi everyone.
> I want to throw out a concept I have for what I was
> wanting to use for a power generator for exotic
> vehicles like flying saucers and so forth that use
> electrogravitics.
>
> 1. The concept of making an extremely powerful Tesla
> coil is setting multiple secondary coils inside each
> other.
> 2.When these multiple secondary coils are inserted
> into each others air cores it will look very much
> like tree rings repeating inside each secondary's
> support cylinders.
If one starts out with a very narrow diameter
solenoid, using a single layer of windings, some
amazing calculations can take place from there. In
fact by interpolations of Wheelers equation we can
find other single layer solenoids that can use the
same length of wire, the same spacing between wires,
and yet using these requirements we can construct
another coil of an entirely different geometry, and
yet that coil can have the same inductance as the
center coil. If we constructed many of these coils
stacked inside each other, (there is a limit to the
number of mathematical solutions that will present
itself when we additionally make the requirement the
identical spacing between wires also be observed), if
the outermost coil were made to ring at its natural
resonant frequency, by virtue of the magnetic field as
the energy carrier we would suspect that the inner
coils would then also ring by the analogy of
sympathetic resonance that occurs with identically
tuned tuning forks. In any case I observed some time
ago that a plot of the various height/diameter, (H/D
ratios) when the coils are stacked inside each other
does in fact show the outline of a saucer shaped
vehicle. I will below show a mathematical method
involved there. Initially about 10 years ago I found
the first of one of these many solutions, which others
can calculate using Wheelers equation for themselves
for verification. I started with a center coil with a
H/D ratio of 1.5. The next coil in space that will
have a (near) identical inductance, with the
requirement that identical length of wire, and
identical spacing between winds is observed, will be a
ring shaped coil that has about pi times more diameter
then the starting coil. It should be possible to plot
more of these solutions out, where the outlines of
these various rings then resembles the shape of the
UFO's that folks have reported as observations. Bear
in mind also that if we further reduce the requirement
so that identical spacing between wires need not be
observed, but we observe the requirement that
identical lengths of wire be used in all these coils,
in that case the number of solutions is quite
infinite, but when we also require identical spacing
between winds, then we obtain a relatively few finite
solutions. Now bear in mind the next corroborating
fact, the tuning of a tesla secondary is also
generally based on the length of wire in the
secondary. If we can have many concentric coils all
exploiting the same length of wire, and all having the
same inductance, can we ring one secondary up, and
find that all the other secondaries would also start
ringing at their same resonant frequencies? Imagine
the analogy of tuning forks, a tuning fork that
produces a certain frequency of sound will excite
another tuning fork to vibrate by sympathetic
resonance, but only if those tuning forks are designed
to vibrate at the same sound frequency. Here we have a
collection of coils that have similarity whereby they
all have the same inductance, but dissimilar
geometries. At first this sounds like an exciting
possibility, but immediately we see complications,
where then the math for making these possibilities
gets quite more involved due to the fact that these
coils with different geometries, yet identical
inductances, will also have an important difference
where transmission of high frequency naturally
occurring resonances are also involved; and the
difference between these identical inductance coils is
further complicated by the fact that the coils of
different geometry will also have differences in
"internal" capacity, which is also another parameter
that will influence a high frequency vibration. In
the cited coil that will have the same
inductance when its diameter is increased pi times,
provided equal length of wire and equal spacing
between windings were observed, that outer ring coil
will then also have pi times more internal capacity,
or voltage between winding layers when given the same
overall voltage is imposed on the endings of the wires
for both case examples. In fact about ten tears ago I
did an experiment that showed that energy could be
passed through space, WITHOUT THE PREDOMINANT
INTERMEDIARY OF EMPLOYING A MAGNETIC FIELD TO CONVEY
THAT ENERGY. Instead the principle became similar to
the Aharonov-Bohm effect, where a larger loop that
encloses magnetic flux change, can have an emf induced
upon it, even though the majority of magnetic field
lines do not cross the wires of the output winding.
This experiment was actually sort of opposite or
reverse to what Tesla did in Colorado Springs with his
"inductive only" magnifier. In that situation Tesla
had his exciting coil as a large 50 ft ring, and
inside the ring the "extra" coil as the magnifier;
this could vibrate solely due to the presence of
energy being passed through space due to induction,
which we also commonly understand as an emf generated
by magnetic flux change common to both core areas,
whose developed induced polarity is further ramified
by Lenz law to include the fact that the generated
field will always oppose that actual magnetic
causitive influence, which is more mechanically
pictured as magnetic lines of force crossing the wires
of the secondary. This mechanical interpretation as
an example of induced emf would seem to solely be the
situation when we are dealing with AIR CORE
transformers and electrical motors, where the induced
emf is always accompanied by magnetic field line
movement across the wires of the armature. I would
assume that motors, like alternators assumedly can
employ principles of ferromagnetics to enhance the
amount of magnetic flux that crosses the stator or
armature windings, by virtue of ferromagnetic flux
leakage, but to have this leakage implies that a
ferromagnetic air gap is involved; meaning that the
field lines move both through the amplifier of the
ferromagnetic material and a path through air.
Magnetic circuits are in fact quite complex, but the
presense of an air gap should reduce the magnitude of
the amount of field lines, where this is no arbitrary
term coined as lines of force; which was further
defined near the turn of the century by Henry
Transtrom in which the following definitions are
noted;
The inductance of a circuit is sometimes
expressed in centimeters, one of the cgs units or
absolute units. By definition a circuit has a self
induction of one henry when it generates a counter emf
of one volt when the current is varied at a uniform
rate of one ampere per second-- that is the circuit
cuts 10^8 lines per second: so a circuit of one turn
which has a flux of one Weber (10^8) when one ampere
is flowing through it, has an inductance of one henry.
One volt then represents a movement of a single
conductor of 100,000 cm per second across a unit field
(1 line per square cm) In this way the emf in volts
can be given the dimension of length, namely 10^8 cm.

Now because motors or generators always consist
of a rotating part, we always have an air gap in the
circuit. Apparently however exceptions to this might
be found in the homopolar generator, where an
additional explanation for that effect can be further
made by illustrating the fact that every changing
magnetic field is also accompanied by a changing
electric field. The point leading up to here is that
there are also ferromagnetic principles whereby no
magnetic field lines need cross the secondary wiring
of the transformation. This is done by supplying the
magnetic circuit a complete loop of ferromagnetic
material, where then no air gap exists in the magnetic
circuit, thus we have virtually no flux leakage
outside the core material, thus we have no magnetic
field lines specifically transversing the wires of the
output coil. The common ferromagnetic transformer acts
in this way, again because a complete high
permeability loop of iron domains encloses all the
magnetic flux in that loop; and the sole generation of
electricity by the output windings consists of that
generated by the interior flux change principle;
whereby an emf is created by delta B, interior to the
loop of the output coil, where no magnetic flux
necessarily need orthogonally cross the wires of the
output coil for an induced emf to occur.
Now in the above generalizations, we seem to find
that with relationships involving magnetism in empty
space , or air gaps and air core magnetic
transformations; those converters involve either
generators or motors, and then the magnetic field
lines DO cross the wires of the output coils. If our
converter is instead a ferromagnetic transformer, then
the magnetic field lines need not cross the wiring of
the output coil. What all of this is leading up to is
the inventive creation of an air core analogy to that
of the iron based transformer. Essentially the
question is asked; can we also create an air core
transformer that resembles the principle of the iron
core transformer, where the magnetic field lines need
not have physical contact with the magnetic field
lines? Ordinarily we visualize the magnetic field as
an agent that transforms energy across space, and it
does this by the physical interaction of magnetic
field lines physically orthogonally interacting with
the wires of the output coil. We then say the magnetic
field conveys energy through space. Now in further
high induction coil experiments, it was found that
when an inductor is given an axially shaped capacity
for its C component of resonance, we then assume that
the electric lines of potential voltage difference
then axially reside in the physical volume of space
between the concentric outer and inner plates of
electric potential, and we have no reason to believe
that they would exist axially beyond the outer
concentric plate of potential. Now these discreet
components of L and C, each occupying a separate space
can be shown to be in resonance at a certain
frequency, but if the sizings of these components will
allow for a spatial interaction between them, we can
insert the axial capacitor C inside the interior core
volume of the inductor L: but in the doing of this we
find that this practice has caused the LC combination
to go out of resonance. We have observed that electric
lines of potential should not leave its outer
boundary, thus they should not intersect the wires of
the coil L, yet the impedance of L has been changed by
the insertion of an interior electric field, causing
the series combination of L and C no longer to be a
resonant combination. This situation of why the
resonance has been altered is comparable to Eastern
philosophy of Yin vs Yang. And the western thinker can
equate this same problem by dealing with the fact that
two processes represent the same thing, and it is only
the position of the observer that makes them appear
different. A changing electric field creates a
changing magnetic field 90 degrees in timing action
difference from its original action, and the same
effect applies vice versa. There is no authentic
author to any action, they are merely infinite
reflections of the inherent oscillation that has no
author. To claim a beginning of effects is comparable
to heresy. But because of logic a beginning and ending
effect is necessary for the western mind. So we can
categorize a phenomenon to better understand things
according to the linear progression of rational logic.
So we always say one thing causes another, but the
truth of the matter is that we are deceived by our own
observations, but yet both conclusions reach the same
truth, so the entire matter can be looked at from one
observation point as being irrevalent to begin with,
and both points of view contain the same truth.
But in that seemingly endless circle, a
changing magnetic field generates its counterpart
changing electric field: as an after effect in time
itself, and those oscillations might continue forever
if God had not put a stop to those vibrations by
including the effect of losses of resistance. Thank
you God for preserving the Universe! Us silly humans
only wish to act as thee, and we wish to make
oscillations that wont die down, only so that we can
make them die down according to the desires of the
loads we would place on the oscillations, but lucky
for us God in his infinite wisdom; he has designed the
universe so that every vibration will be damped
according to the material in vibration; but by time he
has allowed for the priviledge of finding controllable
self feedback loops that do not employ such runaway
effects to destroy the universe we happen to live in,
and then everything is kosher.
Going back to more sensible realizations, as
Tesla dealt with, an outer concentric ring excited
into resonance, causes the inner ring to vibrate by
induction of magnetic fields moving through that
interior volume of space. By cause and effect logic we
understand that this is possible, because the magnetic
field is used as the agent to convey energy. But our
logic also makes the reverse principle appear
illogical: We should not be able to excite the inner
coil and expect the outer ring coil to pick up energy
because the inner coils magnetic field does not reach
sufficiently through space to excite the outer coil.
But again as in the flux capacitor resonance analogy,
the changing electric field of the inner device will
still induce an emf on the outer device, even though
no sensible magnetic connection exists between them,
as in our point of relativity the device can work from
the outside in , but not the inside out.
So to conclude here, when I erected an outside
loop construction of 7 ft diameter, around an inside
loop construction of only 20 inches diameter, and both
of these geometries were made to be approximately
equal inductances, and the inner coil secondary was
used as a tesla coil secondary, the outside loop of
somewhat equal inductance was able to receive energy
from the inside electric field change, even though
that magnetic field from the inner coil should have
had minimal interaction with the outer loop by virtue
of ordinary magnetic field line crossagesÂ…. Instead
the energy was carried through space by virtue of the
changing electric field within the loop, exactly as
occurs in the ferromagnetic analogy contained in the
transformer example. In that transformer example the
changing magnetic field in the core makes a changing
electric field, ( the induced emf) 90 degrees out of
phase with the primary emf, provided those respective
measurements of timing of developed voltages are made
with no load on the outputs. A changing magnetic field
makes a changing electric field 90 degrees out of
phase with its source, and the common transformer is
proof of such. It then is also possible to provide the
same analogy of actions using air core coils, which in
that particular case the coils can be separated more
widely in space, but by design of geometry and equal
inductance the same ringing effect might be expressed
between coil structures.
(Mathematical Reference)

The Wheeler equation is normally used in coil
design to calculate inductance.
L = R^2*N^2 / (9*R + 10*B) uH
N = number of turns
B = coil length, inches

If the quantity expressed by
wheelers equation are applied for a constant length of
wire, the top quantity NR squared also remains
constant. By knowing this an important axiom can be
developed. Given a specified inductance the remaining
quantities R and B are such that they satisfy a
parametric equation with two unknowns. Or the custom
of supplying a function with y=f(x) can be specified.
The simplest parametric equation is that of a circle
where the radius of the circle being 1, is established
by the equation x^2+y^2=1 If we further place this in
customary form for applying calculus to find
instantaneous rate change made by taking derivatives
we change the formula to y^2= 1 -x^2 further reduced
to y=sq rt{1-x^2} However when we do this, it only
shows the top half of the circle above the x axis, so
the true answer is both positive and negative the
above function. In other words given one quantity as
the parameter, and determining the matching parameter
that will satisfy the equation we do not find unique
answers but dual quantities that can satisfy the
equation. In a likewise analogy to Wheelers equation
the following fact is derived;

Given a coil of specified length of wire,with
identical
spacings between wires to determine B as a parameter
of ht of the coil, the radius of that coil can be
easily calculated to construct an entirely identical
inductance coil, but at a different H/d ratio. Like
the parametric example of two different solutions
presenting themselves for a given parameter input, we
can also conclude that two sets of R,B quantities can
present themselves as a solution, even WITH the
additional requirement of equal spacing between
windings be observed. This has been mathematically
approximated and shown for a single layer coil of
h/d=1.5 will have a ring shaped coil close to pi times
the radius of the first coil as the alternative
solution. However this is pure mathematical
speculation and ignores the Medhurst considerations of
geometry vs internal capacitance which can be viewed
as an exotic tesla coil magnifier system design
possibility expressed as the fact that every secondary
may have another coil of entirely different geometries
that will also respond equally to rf bursts on the
primary. To easily establish this (mathematically
only)we can make R any quantity and compute what the
height of the coil, or the parameter B will have to be
to secure the requirement of making a coil of
identical inductance. This is done by understanding
that since the top term is reduced to a constant with
the same length of wire, this gives the bottom term
the requirement of also becoming a constant value as
determined by its parameters of existing R and B
quantities, to be computed to deliver a constant value
of inductance. Thus given any solenoidal coil with
radius R, B is also a known quantity, and the
denominator 9R+10B becomes the new constant first made
by the existing coil. Thus by the equation 9R+10B=K we
can vary R and find the corresponding B ht that such a
coil would have to have to be identical inductance.
Now each of these linear R&B solutions provide all the
solutions, but those may be all but two that use
identical spacing between wires and also many
different solutions with different spacing between
wires, still delivering identical inductances by
Wheelers equation.

> 3.All the secondarys inserted within each other are
> hooked in parallel to step up current and amp
> densities while the voltage changes little.
> 4.I call this concept a Secondary Magna coil inwhich
> there could be hundreds of inserted Secondary coils
> inserted into each other.
> 5.The Secondary Magna coil can be inserted within a
> cylinder of insulating oil or even an inert fluid
> like the noble gases to add to the coils needed
> insulated properties.
>
> This is for all people interested in building a
> really small but very powerful tesla coil.
> Best of wishes and brand new discoveries.
> Gerald L.Blakley
>
>
>
> Visit My Site:
>
http://hometown.aol.com/earthwindfireh20/WarpCoilConceptsindex.html
>
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