Re: TRG Hamfest Flier/ Not made Public
- Have you tried a larger piece of Stontium ferrite?
That could give you another value to work with.
Either it doesn't get red hot, or it does.. either way you have a
determination you can make based on that.
Use 2 of the same Ferrite components side by side.
I like your examinations and feel that you went far enough to validate
the potential unique qualities here..
I personaly believe you may have stumbled onto a Gabriel Cron open
path type of thing.. maybe?
The Strontium ferrite is open path right?
so why not?
I like what your doing though..
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Harvey D Norris" <harvich@y...>
> Every experimentalist likes to step back for awhile, and see thecollection
> results of his actions... My actions indicate to me that my ferrite
> heating device is nothing more then a conventional resistor device,
> but my reservations about such are shown below, actually a
> of past writings with some modern day interuptions, Da , its a long
> one again....HDN
- --- Karl <shekinahguild@...> wrote:
> Have you tried a larger piece of Stontium ferrite?Yes, two 3/8 width blocks were stacked together, but
this would have not ordinarily worked. The stacked
pieces had previously been subjected to the heating
process, and the "fuse marks" aligned together This is
Close up/ two block conduction @ 45*1.7=76.5 watts.
> That could give you another value to work with.Several different ideas exist about how to create and
more efficiently harness the SrFe heating effect. It
is difficult to make an assembly where we have 6
electrode connections for all 6 flat surfaces, but
that is a possible direction for application. In that
case we can attempt a direct conversion of the heat
back into electricity, but so far this does not seem
feasible, because a voltage reading has been shown for
output, but a short reading for amperage conduction
shows little or no amperage flow on output. It seems
literally like voltage without accompanying amperage,
because the source has no free electrons, something
like the electret phenomenon. By "Lorentz deflection"
we are attempting to merely deflect the existing
ferrite amperage at a right angle to that being made
by its electrodes, by use of a strong orthogonal
magnetic field, but the heat will easily demagnetize
the neodymium, so we have to be cautious by the use of
ceramic insulators. AC currents will be better for
this idea then would DC currents, as is presently used
for convenience. For each two connections a specific
purpose is made.
3 volt Lorentz deflection voltage via 44.9 volt, .7 A
lengthwise SrFe heating current; process sandwiched
via tile & NIB magnets
Here the aluminum bars allow a DC current of .7A to
go the 7/8ths length of the piece. The process will
not heat the part red hot, as that 2.3 mh current
limited METR sytem will not allow the voltage to
climb to the higher value needed to cause the ferrite
to loose enough resistance. Heat still developes
however. The next dimension of action is not
electrical, it is magnetic, with ceramic spacers
placed between neodymium magnets, so that the magnetic
field is at right angles to the current flow. (3/8
in)The third dimension, (1/2 in) is the hoped for
electrical output, shown by adding voltage meter
probes on the remaining third right angle. Here only 3
volts developes for the ~ 45 volt input. But we are
simply not operating in the better efficency margin
Later entry; Tue Mar 30, 2004
Tripling of lorentz voltage noted with doubling of
At 1.5 A one can read 10.5 DC deflection volts via
45.5 volts input.
My thinking is that we wish to have a circuit that can
heat the ferrite EFFICIENTLY, at a lower temperature,
without going to the red hot extreme, which destroys
the part by crumbling after cooling. On the other hand
it may be necessary to operate at that temperature in
order to efficiently extract electricity from the
piece, which in turn should siphon off heat from the
piece. If the operating temperature could be reduced
to just under the red hot portion, that would be
ideal. It would seem to simply be a matter of
impedance matching. The impedance of the METR spirals
is 7 ohms, so for that particular example the best
efficiency occurs when the ferrite heating also
matches the 7 ohm value, but by then the part is red
When I refered to "switching gears" as a resonant
action, it should be possible to use a higher q
voltage system initially, (an entirely different
collection of coils having a higher impedance matching
to preheat the ferrite), then that system can be shut
off, and the higher amperage METR system employed to
gain the higher heats. As the system exists now, the
7/8 inch length cannot be brought to the red hot
portion of operation, so I theorize that subsidiary
resonant systems can be added to try for that
possibility. Numerous possibilities exist here,
including having the resonant systems employed
simultaneously, where high voltage AC is placed at
right angles to the higher amperage DC. A lot of that
stuff is just unknown effects until you try it, so it
is on the schedule. I am now adding a 20 coil higher q
system ( Q ~ 50) INSIDE the present METR 8.5 Q system
as a second stage of resonant voltage rise, and
further ferrite heating experiments can be made from
3 phase DSR within DSR schematic shows the idea there
It is not known what would happen if we gave both the
outside and 2nd generation resonances identical loads,
which is why we might first try giving each system a
different electrode angle on the ferrite, where both
DC and higher voltage AC could be imposed upon the
piece at different angles. Sounds a bit like Searl's
imagination there, where he claimed to have
"conditioned ferrite" by superimposing an AC signal on
a DC one.
A better application for the ferrite calorimetry water
flow experiments would be to have thinner metal walls,
and instead use a triangular tube for flat surfaces,
and then to employ three blocks heated by three phase
WYE connections. Two of these have been made as shown
Here instead we use dual AC resonant interphasings of
the triple METR voltage rises, having two
pathways and two AC ferrite energy releases. One
conditioned part fired first before the other
instantly flared up.
Dual AC ferrite conductions from 3 METR midpts/
amperage meas. on single branch
So far however I have not succeeded in getting all 3
phases to produce the heating factor. Once two phases
are energized, the voltage is reduced on the remaining
phase, so that it does not go into the red heat range.
It is here where a subsidiary voltage rise circuit
could be employed to additionally get that phase
working in the correct range of operation.
Some outside help on this project has also appeared,
with parts soon to be sent out to look for any
remanent radioactivity from the Strontium, as it might
be possible that isotopes of Strontium are appearing.
Calorimetry observations will be repeated using the
existant water flow device shown at
Water Flow Sr Fe Heat extraction
Tests show dismal performance of heating element,
raises F temp of 8 liters of water 10 degrees F after
30 min of circulation. 19.4 DC
Volts enables 4.4 A thru heating element.
I will later show some calculations from the
calorimetry expert that concludes that this
temperature rise actually isnt that bad of a
efficiency, but it is better now to make a demo with
less quantity of water, and a better heat rise to make
better conclusions of the heating efficiency involved
here. The water pump I used for that demo meant that a
larger quantity of water flow was needed, but smaller
volumes can be made without employing the pump, as it
used a gravity siphon system for making the water
Sincerely Harvey D Norris
> The Strontium ferrite is open path right?No two electrodes are always present to make
electrical conduction through the piece itself.
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