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the main Newman email list has run into server problems again. I again recommended to the people running that list to just switch once and for all to this list. I originally reserved this list just to make sure it could be free from Newman cult members masquerading as foul mouthed females. The only reason I did not actively promote the list before was I didn't want to splinter the main list. I hope the owners of the main list will take up my offer to allow me to sign up everyone on this list.
more on this stuff as it develops
Eric Krieg eric@...
- Dear NEW USA-TESLA List:
The following is a post from Norm Biss. He is responding to an email from a
writer on AOL. This is regarding Joseph Newman and his con-jobs on people.
The "sick" twist in this is the 1989 Articles in the Memphis newspaper
(click on URL's) regarding Joseph Newman marrying an 8 year old girl !!
According to the quotes by the reporter, Newman admits to all this and says
that God told him to marry this 8 year old girl !! The State Child
Protective Services finally took the 8 year old girl and her younger brother
away from Newman.
Why is the discussion always on scam artists or novelties like drinking
If you want to discuss over unity start with research and development work
by US Navy (Washington D.C. and China Lake), CEREM, NASA, Fiat, Motorola,
Bechtel, SRI, over 200 confirmations and we know of at least 20 active
You wont this is in your daily propaganda sheet...they all follow NEW YORK
TIMES which is covering for its advertisers.
Norm Biss responds.
The obvious reason for the discussions turning to scam artists and
novelties, is because there are
so many scam artists, in addition to "Novelties" being foisted off on an
unwary public. While not
all experimentation is done with fraud in mind, there are more than a
coincedential amount of less
than scrupulous individuals, who are involved.
Just as obvious, is the fact that almost everyone on these lists have
subscribed for the purpose of
staying informed as to progress in the various forms of FE/OU being
investigated. Most list members
are content to accept results as they are given. But in the final analysis,
reproducible proof which
is verifiable, is necessary to advance any given theory.
WE are partly responsible for the abundance of scam artists, because we are
not (In some cases),
demanding proof of claims made by charlatans. IT IS UP TO US TO POLICE OUR
RANKS, AND WEED-OUT THESE PHONIES.
In most cases, just a little common-sense coupled with logic will produce a
plethora of questions
that should be asked. WE are not asking these questions. I am now taking
it upon myself to
bring forth these questions.
I realize that this is not going to sit too well with some subscribers, but
I must pose these questions.
Maybe it will get some of the other list members to start asking some hard
Both Jed Rothwell and Mitchell Jones have had the courage to come forth and
voice their opinions
(Please note that I did not say skepticism) in regards to the "Newman
In my opinion, I feel that Joseph Newman has milked the public and the Free
for the last 20 years. Am I saying that his technology does not have
merit? Absolutely not! What
I am saying is that he came up with a theory (as yet unproven), but is
incapable of personally
seeing it thru to completion. I also personally feel that any REAL
breakthrough of this technology
will be accomplished by Stefan Hartman. Why? Because Stefan is very
thorough in his approach
to mastering Joe Newman's technology. Am I a big fan of Stefan Hartmann?
No. I do, however
respect the work ethic and documentation he performs with his experiments.
When he performs
tests, he not only gives the results, but more importantly he explains how
the tests were conducted.
This makes the results reproducible by anyone who cares to duplicate the
experiment. This also
guides others around the pitfalls that did not work.
Now, let's apply the same set of standards to Joseph Newman. Joseph Newman
announced on the
first of February, that his motor was ready to go into production, and
delivery was promised by
June of this year. Before WE start cheering, let us examine, closely,
exactly what is involved to do
To take an electric motor from the prototype stage, to the production stage,
requires about 6~9
months. Any manufacturer of this motor must purchase the necessary tooling,
stamping dies, etc.
After this is done, it must be assured that these parts are going to fit
together in accordance with
the schematics and drawings that Joe Newman provided them with. When
production starts, the
motor must be submitted to UL for testing and approval. Let me clarify
something at this point:
There is NO Federal law which requires a motor to be UL tested prior to
sale. There are,
however, several States that do require UL approval, and almost ALL major
cities require the same
for operation in their jurisdictions. Now lets assume that the motor is
only going to be sold in those
areas which do not have a requirement for UL approval. Fine. BUT, no
insurance carrier will
cover any damage or injury caused by a non-UL approved device. This UL
approval will take
about 4~6 months.
Now, lets look at the cost of the motor. Joe Newman is asking for $7,000.00
for each motor.
He is also asking for $3,500.00 down payment. If you will go to the
you will find that Joe Newman stated that there is $6,000.00 worth of
Neodymium magnets in the
prototype motor. (Remember that he is basing his test results on the motor
magnets inside it). QUESTION: How can you sell a motor for 7G's, and put
6G's worth of magnets
inside it? You can't! Now, if you were to replace the Neodymium magnets
with Ceramic magnets,
you could do it...........but, The neodymium magnets are rated at 12,000
gauss, while the ceramic
magnets are rated at 4,100 gauss. These figures come from the biggest
magnet manufacturer in
the U.S. Furthermore, in addition to having a motor with about 1/3 the
strength of the prototype,
you are being given the ole "Bait-and-switch" tactic. Highly illegal.
But, let's give Mr. Newman the benefit of the doubt, and assume that the
motor he is selling does
in fact have the proper magnets inside. He has stated that with 60 volts of
lantern batterys, he has
achieved 40 RPM. If you will check with your local "Grainger" dealer, he
will show you that the
AC generators must turn at 3600 RPM to generate electricity. This is 90
times the RPM of Joe
Newman's motor tests. In his book, there is a notarized statement by Dr.
Roger Hastings, in
which he states (Quote) "To power the average home, the motor will require
10,000 Volts, to
20,000 Volts of input power"(End Quote). Now if we assume that the average
6 Volt Lantern
Battery costs $3.00 each, this means that each volt costs fifty-cents. This
means that in addition
to spending $7,000.00 for a motor, another $5,000.00 to $10,000.00 must be
spent for batterys.
But we can't put our checkbook away yet. Remember that this is just a
motor. Now you must spend another $700.00~$800.00 for a Generator, which
the motor will power. Oh yeah, there
is still the matter of hiring an electrician to make sure that the system is
properly configured, in
accordance with the electric code.
I do not understand how anyone can attempt to even consider buying a motor
which has such
big claims made for it, but with no proof of testing procedures used to
arrive at the figures given
for it's capabilities.
Finally, I think you must consider the character of the individual making
claims for a device, which
for the last 20 years, he has been saying will be on sale in a few months.
Now I realize that some
of the most inventive geniuses in recorded history had some pretty bizarre
quirks in their makeup.
I personally do NOT have any respect for an individual who would marry an
8-year-old girl, and
then say the reason for it was because GOD told him to do it.
The following two URL's are articles from the Mobile Press Register
Newspaper, Mobile Alabama,
and dated the 11th and 14 of August, 1989. These were obtained from the
and certified as to their authenticity. The first URL tells of his
"Marriage" to his child-bride, and
the second URL explains how, three days later, the courts awarded custody of
the little girl, and her
three year old brother, to the state. Newman was peeved because they took
away his child-bride.
If I have offended anybody with my frankness, I apologize. However,
everytime one of these scam
artists gets funding from private individuals, not only does it take away
funding from adherents who
are sincere, but has the effect of painting ALL FE/OU experimenters as
frauds. I think it is time for
US to clean our own house, before the public does it for us.