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    TT Policy Statement (Revised September 14, 2004) As a reminder of this group s desire to encourage all of its members to participate in a friendly and informed
    Message 1 of 153 , Nov 1, 2004
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      TT Policy Statement
      (Revised September 14, 2004)

      As a reminder of this group's desire to encourage all of its members to participate in a friendly and informed manner, please review our list policies.

      1. Talking Telescopes Mission

      The Talking Telescopes discussion group was established in August 1999 for the express purpose of discussing astronomical equipment, including, but not limited to, telescopes, eyepieces, binoculars, and accessories. If it can be used for astronomical purposes, it's good fodder for discussion here.

      Please note that we are NOT the place to post your observations, except in the context of the equipment being used. If you are looking for a forum to discuss *what* you have observed, consider joining our offshoot list "Starrynights." Information can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starrynights .


      2. All Telescopes Welcome Here!

      As the moderators of this group, we want to make it absolutely clear that we welcome discussion about ALL types of telescopes, whether they are refractors, reflectors, Schmidt-Cassegrains, Maksutovs, or an exotic design. While we will always encourage comments, pro and con, on any scope, we will discourage blanket generalizations and will not stand for rude comments (note rude does not mean negative -- one can have a negative opinion about a particular telescope and state them politely).

      Remember, all telescopic equipment is only as good as the person using it. This hobby is not about who has the best equipment. It is about what you do with the equipment you have. Our goal here should be to enable *everyone* to maximize the enjoyment and use of their equipment and this hobby, whether you have a megabuck apochromatic refractor, huge Newtonian reflector, sophisticated catadioptric instrument, a pair of binoculars, or a small telescope purchased at
      Wal-Mart.

      All opinions expressed by group participants are theirs alone. The Talking Telescopes Yahoogroup or its moderators take no responsibility for these opinions and do not endorse them. Please read the rules, then use this group at your own risk. The following is what you agree to by participating in this group: No pornographic or obscene material, abuse, or harassing of other uses, crime of any kind or defamation, slander, libel, religious or anti religious comments, racism, violence, fraud, continued use of other languages other than English, or a deliberate posting to the wrong section, or using others' names already in use by others (impostors). Violators of these requirements will be removed from the group quickly and permanently.

      One point should be given reiteration. This note is not intended to say that people cannot speak their minds. On the contrary, everyone saying that everything is wonderful does none of us any good. If you get a lemon, we want to know about it. If you get bad service, we want to know. And we encourage frank and honest advice to newcomers looking for advice on their first purchase. We just ask that you do so in a manner worthy of those just trying to help others -- not in a way that is confrontational or inconsiderate.


      3. Postings

      Since we are speaking to all members here, we would also like to encourage all of you "listeners" to speak up. Please share your thoughts on the equipment you have or are thinking of getting. No matter what it is that you have, there are certainly others thinking of getting the same. The more diverse the equipment discussion becomes the better for all of us. So please, do not be shy!

      Members can also post one-time announcements for items that they have for private, noncommercial sale. Note, however, that you CANNOT post announcements on the list for items that you have for sale through other services, such as AstroMart, eBay, etc.

      In addition to the message board (which can generate more than 100 posts a day, especially around Full Moon for some reason <g>), you are invited to look over the "Photos", "Files", and "Polls" sections. Under "Photos," you will find all sorts of things, ranging from photos of our equipment and ourselves

      The "Files" include reviews, links, and other miscellaneous items. If you've written a review on a piece of equipment and want to share that review with others, upload it here and then post a note to the group about your new addition.

      We also run polls and surveys every now and then to test the waters on various issues. We ask that all poll questions be filtered through one of the list moderators (Chris Adamson, John Bambury, Kevin Dixon, Geoff Gaherty, or Phil Harrington) before posting.

      4. Keep Messages Focused

      A thought or two to frequent contributors. Try to avoid filling everyone's mailbox with "banter" type replies. While saying "thanks", "sounds great", "me too", etc. is nice, it also adds to the large number of e-mails that get generated that really do not serve the group. By all means, speak when you have something to say to the group. But do not speak just to speak or to have a one on one conversation with a fellow group member. You can always reply personally. Also, *please* don't quote the entire message to which you are replying. The only thing worse than a "me too" post is a "me too" post accompanied by a quote of the entire 25 paragraph message! *Do* change the subject line if the topic has narrowed or changed completely from the original
      message.


      5. Commercial announcements

      Talking Telescopes is *strictly* noncommercial, a policy that is guarded jealously. While company representatives and vendors are certainly encouraged to read and post to the group, we ask that it be done in the spirit of non-commercialism. Blatant commercial announcements for products are strictly forbidden. Violation of this policy may result in the poster forfeiting his or her right to posting future messages. That said, if you feel that you can answer someone's question about one of your products, by all means, feel free to post a reply.


      6. Spam

      Every now and then, an unsolicited solicitation (a.k.a. "spam") gets onto the list. Rest assured that one of the moderators will spot it quickly and deal with it and the perpetrator accordingly. We always delete the message and ban the sender from the list, no questions asked. Having said that, if you choose to subscribe to the list by e-mail (as opposed to reading it on the Web only), then you will automatically get every message that is posted, including the spam. We ask, however, that you do not post a reply on the list. That only perpetuates a bad thing. If you want to write to the moderators about the problem, that's fine. A note to telescopes-owner@yahoogroups.com will get it to all five of us simultaneously.


      7. Common Courtesy

      When you subscribe to any e-mail list, be it TT or otherwise, you have responsibility to *every other* member of that list. Among others, that includes making sure that your e-mail program or account does not cause an undue burden on that list. Many e-mail programs nowadays have an option of setting up an autoreply message that alerts anyone who contacts you that you will be away from the computer for a length of time. That's fine, but before you turn that option on, first unsubscribe to all e-mail lists that you may be on. In the case of TT, you have the option of changing your subscription to "no e-mail," which means you can access the messages via the Internet, but they will not be delivered to your e-mail. Then when you return, change your subscription back to e-mail delivery, if desired.

      Having said that, if anyone fails to follow those simple steps and we all get dozens of autoreplies (as has happened in the past), we will have no choice but to unsubscribe and ban the offending address. There will be no exceptions. Sounds extreme, but not as extreme as sending out dozens of unwanted messages to more than 3,000 subscribers.

      We also see a proliferation of telescope-specific lists. That's fine, and might be very useful if you are an owner of a specific model. But if you have formed such a list, we ask that you do NOT promote it here on TT, especially if you are not a frequent contributor here. Sorry, that just rubs us moderators the wrong way. Add a link to our list of "Links" if you wish, but please do not post messages begging people to join.


      8. Plagiarism

      What if you come across a message written by someone on another list, newsgroup, or possibly on a web site that you think everyone on this list would benefit and appreciate? Should you copy and paste it into a message and post it to the group? In a word: DON'T. That's what we call copyright infringement. If you read something somewhere that you think might be of use to the list members, then by all means post a link or reference to that item. But do NOT cut and paste the text into a list message. The problem is even more offensive if the material being plagiarized was either from a private conversation or was privileged in some manner. That latter includes written words that were subsequently retracted by the author.


      9. Keep these addresses handy

      Here are some addresses that you might want to keep around for future reference:
      Post message: telescopes@yahoogroups.com
      Subscribe: telescopes-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
      Unsubscribe: telescopes-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
      URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/telescopes

      If you need to contact the list owner and moderators directly, please send an e-mail to: telescopes-owner@yahoogroups.com.

      Thanks to all of you for making TT as large and useful as it is. Let's work together to make it even better. Please feel free to email any of the moderators with any suggestions or thoughts you may have to improve TT.

      Thanks,

      TT Moderators
    • telescopes@yahoogroups.com
      TT Policy Statement (Revised September 14, 2004) As a reminder of this group s desire to encourage all of its members to participate in a friendly and informed
      Message 153 of 153 , May 1 1:00 AM
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        TT Policy Statement
        (Revised September 14, 2004)

        As a reminder of this group's desire to encourage all of its members to participate in a friendly and informed manner, please review our list policies.

        1. Talking Telescopes Mission

        The Talking Telescopes discussion group was established in August 1999 for the express purpose of discussing astronomical equipment, including, but not limited to, telescopes, eyepieces, binoculars, and accessories. If it can be used for astronomical purposes, it's good fodder for discussion here.

        Please note that we are NOT the place to post your observations, except in the context of the equipment being used. If you are looking for a forum to discuss *what* you have observed, consider joining our offshoot list "Starrynights." Information can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starrynights .


        2. All Telescopes Welcome Here!

        As the moderators of this group, we want to make it absolutely clear that we welcome discussion about ALL types of telescopes, whether they are refractors, reflectors, Schmidt-Cassegrains, Maksutovs, or an exotic design. While we will always encourage comments, pro and con, on any scope, we will discourage blanket generalizations and will not stand for rude comments (note rude does not mean negative -- one can have a negative opinion about a particular telescope and state them politely).

        Remember, all telescopic equipment is only as good as the person using it. This hobby is not about who has the best equipment. It is about what you do with the equipment you have. Our goal here should be to enable *everyone* to maximize the enjoyment and use of their equipment and this hobby, whether you have a megabuck apochromatic refractor, huge Newtonian reflector, sophisticated catadioptric instrument, a pair of binoculars, or a small telescope purchased at
        Wal-Mart.

        All opinions expressed by group participants are theirs alone. The Talking Telescopes Yahoogroup or its moderators take no responsibility for these opinions and do not endorse them. Please read the rules, then use this group at your own risk. The following is what you agree to by participating in this group: No pornographic or obscene material, abuse, or harassing of other uses, crime of any kind or defamation, slander, libel, religious or anti religious comments, racism, violence, fraud, continued use of other languages other than English, or a deliberate posting to the wrong section, or using others' names already in use by others (impostors). Violators of these requirements will be removed from the group quickly and permanently.

        One point should be given reiteration. This note is not intended to say that people cannot speak their minds. On the contrary, everyone saying that everything is wonderful does none of us any good. If you get a lemon, we want to know about it. If you get bad service, we want to know. And we encourage frank and honest advice to newcomers looking for advice on their first purchase. We just ask that you do so in a manner worthy of those just trying to help others -- not in a way that is confrontational or inconsiderate.


        3. Postings

        Since we are speaking to all members here, we would also like to encourage all of you "listeners" to speak up. Please share your thoughts on the equipment you have or are thinking of getting. No matter what it is that you have, there are certainly others thinking of getting the same. The more diverse the equipment discussion becomes the better for all of us. So please, do not be shy!

        Members can also post one-time announcements for items that they have for private, noncommercial sale. Note, however, that you CANNOT post announcements on the list for items that you have for sale through other services, such as AstroMart, eBay, etc.

        In addition to the message board (which can generate more than 100 posts a day, especially around Full Moon for some reason <g>), you are invited to look over the "Photos", "Files", and "Polls" sections. Under "Photos," you will find all sorts of things, ranging from photos of our equipment and ourselves

        The "Files" include reviews, links, and other miscellaneous items. If you've written a review on a piece of equipment and want to share that review with others, upload it here and then post a note to the group about your new addition.

        We also run polls and surveys every now and then to test the waters on various issues. We ask that all poll questions be filtered through one of the list moderators (Chris Adamson, John Bambury, Kevin Dixon, Geoff Gaherty, or Phil Harrington) before posting.

        4. Keep Messages Focused

        A thought or two to frequent contributors. Try to avoid filling everyone's mailbox with "banter" type replies. While saying "thanks", "sounds great", "me too", etc. is nice, it also adds to the large number of e-mails that get generated that really do not serve the group. By all means, speak when you have something to say to the group. But do not speak just to speak or to have a one on one conversation with a fellow group member. You can always reply personally. Also, *please* don't quote the entire message to which you are replying. The only thing worse than a "me too" post is a "me too" post accompanied by a quote of the entire 25 paragraph message! *Do* change the subject line if the topic has narrowed or changed completely from the original
        message.


        5. Commercial announcements

        Talking Telescopes is *strictly* noncommercial, a policy that is guarded jealously. While company representatives and vendors are certainly encouraged to read and post to the group, we ask that it be done in the spirit of non-commercialism. Blatant commercial announcements for products are strictly forbidden. Violation of this policy may result in the poster forfeiting his or her right to posting future messages. That said, if you feel that you can answer someone's question about one of your products, by all means, feel free to post a reply.


        6. Spam

        Every now and then, an unsolicited solicitation (a.k.a. "spam") gets onto the list. Rest assured that one of the moderators will spot it quickly and deal with it and the perpetrator accordingly. We always delete the message and ban the sender from the list, no questions asked. Having said that, if you choose to subscribe to the list by e-mail (as opposed to reading it on the Web only), then you will automatically get every message that is posted, including the spam. We ask, however, that you do not post a reply on the list. That only perpetuates a bad thing. If you want to write to the moderators about the problem, that's fine. A note to telescopes-owner@yahoogroups.com will get it to all five of us simultaneously.


        7. Common Courtesy

        When you subscribe to any e-mail list, be it TT or otherwise, you have responsibility to *every other* member of that list. Among others, that includes making sure that your e-mail program or account does not cause an undue burden on that list. Many e-mail programs nowadays have an option of setting up an autoreply message that alerts anyone who contacts you that you will be away from the computer for a length of time. That's fine, but before you turn that option on, first unsubscribe to all e-mail lists that you may be on. In the case of TT, you have the option of changing your subscription to "no e-mail," which means you can access the messages via the Internet, but they will not be delivered to your e-mail. Then when you return, change your subscription back to e-mail delivery, if desired.

        Having said that, if anyone fails to follow those simple steps and we all get dozens of autoreplies (as has happened in the past), we will have no choice but to unsubscribe and ban the offending address. There will be no exceptions. Sounds extreme, but not as extreme as sending out dozens of unwanted messages to more than 3,000 subscribers.

        We also see a proliferation of telescope-specific lists. That's fine, and might be very useful if you are an owner of a specific model. But if you have formed such a list, we ask that you do NOT promote it here on TT, especially if you are not a frequent contributor here. Sorry, that just rubs us moderators the wrong way. Add a link to our list of "Links" if you wish, but please do not post messages begging people to join.


        8. Plagiarism

        What if you come across a message written by someone on another list, newsgroup, or possibly on a web site that you think everyone on this list would benefit and appreciate? Should you copy and paste it into a message and post it to the group? In a word: DON'T. That's what we call copyright infringement. If you read something somewhere that you think might be of use to the list members, then by all means post a link or reference to that item. But do NOT cut and paste the text into a list message. The problem is even more offensive if the material being plagiarized was either from a private conversation or was privileged in some manner. That latter includes written words that were subsequently retracted by the author.


        9. Keep these addresses handy

        Here are some addresses that you might want to keep around for future reference:
        Post message: telescopes@yahoogroups.com
        Subscribe: telescopes-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
        Unsubscribe: telescopes-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
        URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/telescopes

        If you need to contact the list owner and moderators directly, please send an e-mail to: telescopes-owner@yahoogroups.com.

        Thanks to all of you for making TT as large and useful as it is. Let's work together to make it even better. Please feel free to email any of the moderators with any suggestions or thoughts you may have to improve TT.

        Thanks,

        TT Moderators
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