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  • Jack Kilmon
    ... I don t know Vendyl Jones personally and have always considered his publications kind of fun stuff but I have to be a lot stronger than disagree with
    Message 1 of 3 , Dec 8, 1998
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      James Trimm wrote:
      >
      > All,
      >
      > An old rumor about the Shem-Tob Hebrew text of Matthew seems to be
      > circulating again, and it seems I am destined to set things straight.
      >
      > The rumor is that a Hebrew version of Matthew has been found at Qumran.
      > The full-blown version of the rumor claims that the Shem-Tob Hebrew version
      > of Matthew originally came from Evan Bohan at Qumran.
      >
      > The source of the rumor is an article that appeared in Vendyl Jones'
      > Institute of Judaic-Christian RESEARCHER newsletter Dec. 1991:
      >
      > FROM PAGE 10:
      >
      > Now comes the question of an ancient manuscript of the
      > book of Matthew called the Even Bohan Text. It is also
      > called the Shem-Tov text. George Howard, Professor of
      > Religion at the University of Georgia, published a book
      > on this text by Mercer University press in 1987. There
      > are several copies of this text around, but gaining access
      > to the original text of Evan Bohan without revision is
      > impossible. Paleographic specialists have dated the
      > original in the last quarter of the first century C.E.
      > The letter styles are the same as the Qumran so-called
      > secular scrolls. Modern scholarship, however, attempting
      > to attribute the scroll to Ben-Tov himself who was
      > active between 1350 and 1400 C.E....
      >
      > ...Why would Ben-Tov use a paleographic style of
      > the Qumran period to write a text in the middle ages?
      > Why is that original not available? Why do all the editors
      > say that there are numerous mistakes that they had
      > to correct? Why do the editors not just publish the
      > text and let the public see the original? Why must
      > they "doctor it up" and add entire sections? For example,
      > the Evan Bohan text does not contain the first two
      > chapters of Matthew. Does this not perhaps relate
      > to Jerome's statement concerning the Ebionites who
      > follow only Matthew's gospel and reject Paul's writings
      > altogether? Is that original Even Bohan text perhaps
      > the Ebionite document of Matthew which Jerome said
      > was without the first two chapters?...
      >
      > ...why is the Ben-Tov gospel of Matthew called the
      > Even Bohan text? Is it not logical to assume that it
      > was found at Even Bohan?...
      >
      > FROM PAGE 15
      >
      > ...Now, let's look back to the Even Bohan text of Matthew.
      > To summarize, the first observation is that the Ben-Tov/Even
      > Bohan text did not contain the first two chapters of Matthew.
      > Like Mark, it opens with the ministry of John the Baptist,
      > or Yochanan Ben-Zachai. That means that the classic
      > marginal notation, "Omitted by more ancient authorities."
      > really means, "This passage was added later by the monks."
      > That is to say that the monks monkeyed with the text.
      > All the revised forms of the Even Bohan/Ben-Tov texts
      > are admittedly filled in by the editors because so much
      > was missing that is in "our" Matthew....
      >
      > OK now let me set the story straight. To begin with I have nothing against
      > Vendyl Jones personally. In fact I have known Vendyl for over ten years.
      > However in this case I have to disagree with some things Vendyl has said.

      I don't know Vendyl Jones personally and have always considered his
      publications kind of "fun stuff" but I have to be a lot stronger
      than "disagree" with this article. There is absolutely no excuse
      for the fantasy of this "National-Enquirer" type of article where
      nearly every sentence is a distortion, untruth, absurdity or
      downright invention.
      Dr. Jones accepts donations of money from the public for his
      projects and even though I consider expeditions to find Noah's
      Ark as silly, Dr. Jones has made some interesting archaeological
      finds in Israel.
      Since Dr. Jones uses public funds, he is obligated, IMO, for
      much better than the above "comic-book" style of writing. He
      really needs to come out and disavow articles like this so
      that many of us wont get the impression he is the Jimmy Swaggart/
      Jimmy Bakker of "Biblical archaeology."

      Jack
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      Jack Kilmon
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    • James Trimm
      ... James Trimm ============================================== He who seeks will not cease until he finds, and having found he will be amazed, and having been
      Message 2 of 3 , Dec 8, 1998
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        >From: "James D. Tabor" <jdtabor@...>
        >Subject: [roots] Re: Shem-Tob & Qumran
        >
        >Good post James Trimm,
        >
        >I too was sorry to see this issue of VJ bulletin and how he was playing so
        >fast and loose with the facts. I would add one IMPORTANT point...Even
        >Bohan and Even BoCHan are NOT even the same words in Hebrew...
        >
        >One is a place name from Joshua 15:6, and is the Stone of BOCHAN (spelled
        >with a Chet) the name of a person, son of Reuben, but also meaning
        >THUMB...and that marker indeed looks like a thumb sticking up, just north
        >of Qumran...Maybe the guy was tall and called "the thumb" as a knickname,
        >and the rock got his name.
        >
        >The other word is Even Bohan (spelled with a Hey), the Smooth Stone or
        >touchstone (used in Isa 28:16), an entirely different word.
        >
        >To confuse the two is like maintaining that the words "car"and "cat" are
        >the same in English...after all, only one letter difference!!
        >
        >James Tabor
        >
        >You are welcome to post this where ever you like...
        >
        >At 01:09 AM 12/8/98 -0600, James Trimm wrote:
        >>
        >>All,
        >>
        >> An old rumor about the Shem-Tob Hebrew text of Matthew seems to be
        >>circulating again, and it seems I am destined to set things straight.
        >>
        >> The rumor is that a Hebrew version of Matthew has been found at Qumran.
        >>The full-blown version of the rumor claims that the Shem-Tob Hebrew version
        >>of Matthew originally came from Evan Bohan at Qumran.
        >>
        >> The source of the rumor is an article that appeared in Vendyl Jones'
        >>Institute of Judaic-Christian RESEARCHER newsletter Dec. 1991:
        >>
        >> FROM PAGE 10:
        >>
        >> Now comes the question of an ancient manuscript of the
        >> book of Matthew called the Even Bohan Text. It is also
        >> called the Shem-Tov text. George Howard, Professor of
        >> Religion at the University of Georgia, published a book
        >> on this text by Mercer University press in 1987. There
        >> are several copies of this text around, but gaining access
        >> to the original text of Evan Bohan without revision is
        >> impossible. Paleographic specialists have dated the
        >> original in the last quarter of the first century C.E.
        >> The letter styles are the same as the Qumran so-called
        >> secular scrolls. Modern scholarship, however, attempting
        >> to attribute the scroll to Ben-Tov himself who was
        >> active between 1350 and 1400 C.E....
        >>
        >> ...Why would Ben-Tov use a paleographic style of
        >> the Qumran period to write a text in the middle ages?
        >> Why is that original not available? Why do all the editors
        >> say that there are numerous mistakes that they had
        >> to correct? Why do the editors not just publish the
        >> text and let the public see the original? Why must
        >> they "doctor it up" and add entire sections? For example,
        >> the Evan Bohan text does not contain the first two
        >> chapters of Matthew. Does this not perhaps relate
        >> to Jerome's statement concerning the Ebionites who
        >> follow only Matthew's gospel and reject Paul's writings
        >> altogether? Is that original Even Bohan text perhaps
        >> the Ebionite document of Matthew which Jerome said
        >> was without the first two chapters?...
        >>
        >> ...why is the Ben-Tov gospel of Matthew called the
        >> Even Bohan text? Is it not logical to assume that it
        >> was found at Even Bohan?...
        >>
        >> FROM PAGE 15
        >>
        >> ...Now, let's look back to the Even Bohan text of Matthew.
        >> To summarize, the first observation is that the Ben-Tov/Even
        >> Bohan text did not contain the first two chapters of Matthew.
        >> Like Mark, it opens with the ministry of John the Baptist,
        >> or Yochanan Ben-Zachai. That means that the classic
        >> marginal notation, "Omitted by more ancient authorities."
        >> really means, "This passage was added later by the monks."
        >> That is to say that the monks monkeyed with the text.
        >> All the revised forms of the Even Bohan/Ben-Tov texts
        >> are admittedly filled in by the editors because so much
        >> was missing that is in "our" Matthew....
        >>
        >>OK now let me set the story straight. To begin with I have nothing against
        >>Vendyl Jones personally. In fact I have known Vendyl for over ten years.
        >>However in this case I have to disagree with some things Vendyl has said.
        >>
        >>1. No published paleographic analysis of any Shem-Tob manuscript has
        >>concluded that the text is written in any Qumran type script. I have
        >>examined a photograph of at least one manuscript page of a Shem Tob
        >>manuscript and it is written in the same script as the DuTillet Hebrew
        >>manuscript of Matthew (which I have a complete facsimile of), a script
        >>common to the middleages. Vendyl asks why Shem-Tob would use a Qumran
        >>script. No one knows what scrpt Shem-Tob himself used because his original
        >>manuscript is lost to history, only copies of it remain to us.
        >>
        >>2. Shem-Tob's Matthew manuscript was not called "Evan Bohan." Shem-Tob
        >>wrote a polemic treaty against Christianity (or perhaps the Nazarenes) in
        >>one part of this book he transcribed the entire text of Hebrew Matthew, in
        >>sections, each section followed by a polemic against it. The term "Evan
        >>Bohan" was the title of the entire Polemic book and not just of the text of
        >>Matthew which Shem-Tobe transcribed in sections in just one part of that
        >book.
        >>
        >>3. I am unaware of any extant Shem Tob text which lacks the first two
        >>chapters of Matthew. George Howard did not add them. If a later editor
        >>altered Shem Tob's original work in this way, then he also mangaed to alter
        >>it so early on that not one manuscript exists which was coppied from a text
        >>which lacked the first two chapters of Matthew. I can only conclude that
        >>Vendyl believes that the text Shem Tob held was the original of Matthew and
        >>that Vendyl also believes that Matthew originally lacked the first two
        >>chapters, so Vendyl has perhaps assumed that the Hebrew copy Shem Tob had
        >>must have lacked them as well. However there is no evidence that the
        >>Hebrew Shem Tob text at any stage lacked the first two chapters of Matthew.
        >>
        >>3. Jerome did not say that the original Hebrew Matthew used by the
        >>Ebionites lacked the first two chapters. Jerome did mention having a
        >>Hebrew Matthew which he often identified with the Goodnews according to the
        >>Hebrews, but he claimed to have obtained it from the Nazarenes, not the
        >>Ebionites, and he in fact quoted from its first two chapters. Vendyl must
        >>be thinking of Epiphanius who quotes from an Ebionite text of the Gospel
        >>according to the Hebrews also identified with the original of Matthew.
        >>Epiphanius does quote this text as beginning with the ministry of Yochanan
        >>(John the Baptist) however he also says that this Ebionite text "is not
        >>altogether complete, but adultrated and mutilated" However of the Nazarene
        >>Hebrew version of Mathew he says that they have it "quite complete in the
        >>Hebrew."
        >>
        >>4. There are no editors that admit altering or adding to the Shem-Tob text
        >>(although Munster admits doing this with the Munster Hebrew Matthew text in
        >>places where his copy was damaged, but that was not a Shem-Tob text).
        >>George Howard did not add anything. The only editors before this were
        >>scribes in the middle ages, and if they added two chapters there is no
        >>record of it.
        >>
        >>5. Vendyl asks "Why is the original not available?" - The original of
        >>what? The Original of Shem-Tob's book Evan Bohan was lost centuries ago.
        >>There was no effort by Shem-Tob to preserve his Hebrew manuscript of
        >>Matthew except by copying it into his book. The original is unavailable
        >>because it has been lost for centuries.
        >>
        >>While I think Vendyl is mistaken about some of these things let me add:
        >>
        >>1. I would love for him to be right, at least about a Qumran origin for
        >>Shem Tob's Matthew.
        >>
        >>2. I have nothing against Vendyl. In this case I just think he got some
        >>facts wrong and presented some of his theories as if they were established
        >>facts.
        >>
        >>3. I continue to believe that Shem Tob is an important Hebrew text
        >>representing a descendant from the original Hebrew and would be interested
        >>in any data supporting Vendyl's claims that may be forthcoming.
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>James Trimm
        >>==============================================
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        >>and having found he will be amazed,
        >>and having been amazed he will reign,
        >>and having reigned he will rest.
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        He who seeks will not cease until he finds,
        and having found he will be amazed,
        and having been amazed he will reign,
        and having reigned he will rest.
        - The Goodnews according to the Hebrews
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