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    Message 1 of 24 , Nov 2, 1997
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      tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

      This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
      A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
      discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
      defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
      It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
      material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
      context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
      large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
      Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
      scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
      and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
      criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
      criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
      that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
      disciplines.

      This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
      list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
      contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
      kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
      other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
      avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
      civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
      always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
      Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
      of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
      the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
      to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
      discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

      Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
      accessed by sending a message like the following to
      majordomo@...:

      get tc-list tc-list.yymm

      where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
      for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

      List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
      http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
      TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
      http://www.reference.com

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      One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
      ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
      another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
      field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
      available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
      Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
      Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
      first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

      Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
      Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
      more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
      hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
      accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
      OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
      papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
      cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
      etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
      acceptable.

      Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
      journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
      prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
      criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
      There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
      will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
      been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
      the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
      either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

      TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
      articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

      Jimmy Adair
      Scholars Press
      P.O. Box 15399
      Atlanta, GA 30333-0399
      USA

      You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
      jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
      our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

      TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
      (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
      can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
      participation in TC and tc-list!

      The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
    • tc-list-owner
      Message 2 of 24 , Feb 2, 1998
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        ******************************************************************************
        General Information about the List
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        tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

        This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
        A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
        discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
        defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
        It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
        material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
        context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
        large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
        Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
        scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
        and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
        criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
        criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
        that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
        disciplines.

        This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
        list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
        contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
        kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
        other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
        avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
        civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
        always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
        Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
        of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
        the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
        to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
        discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

        Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
        accessed by sending a message like the following to
        majordomo@...:

        get tc-list tc-list.yymm

        where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
        for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

        List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
        http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
        TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
        http://www.reference.com

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        *****************************************************************************
        TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism
        *****************************************************************************
        One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
        ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
        another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
        field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
        available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
        Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
        Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
        first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

        Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
        Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
        more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
        hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
        accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
        OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
        papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
        cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
        etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
        acceptable.

        Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
        journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
        prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
        criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
        There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
        will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
        been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
        the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
        either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

        TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
        articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

        Jimmy Adair
        Scholars Press
        P.O. Box 15399
        Atlanta, GA 30333-0399
        USA

        You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
        jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
        our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

        TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
        (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
        can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
        participation in TC and tc-list!

        The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
      • tc-list-owner
        Message 3 of 24 , May 2, 1998
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          General Information about the List
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          tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

          This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
          A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
          discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
          defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
          It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
          material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
          context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
          large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
          Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
          scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
          and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
          criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
          criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
          that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
          disciplines.

          This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
          list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
          contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
          kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
          other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
          avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
          civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
          always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
          Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
          of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
          the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
          to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
          discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

          Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
          accessed by sending a message like the following to
          majordomo@...:

          get tc-list tc-list.yymm

          where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
          for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

          List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
          http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
          TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
          http://www.reference.com

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          If you subscribe to the digest, be sure to unsubscribe from the list so
          you won't receive everything twice.

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          vacation or will be away from your computer for an extended time), please
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          *****************************************************************************
          TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism
          *****************************************************************************
          One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
          ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
          another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
          field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
          available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
          Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
          Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
          first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

          Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
          Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
          more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
          hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
          accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
          OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
          papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
          cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
          etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
          acceptable.

          Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
          journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
          prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
          criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
          There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
          will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
          been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
          the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
          either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

          TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
          articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

          Jimmy Adair
          Scholars Press
          P.O. Box 15399
          Atlanta, GA 30333-0399
          USA

          You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
          jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
          our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

          TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
          (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
          can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
          participation in TC and tc-list!

          The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
        • tc-list-owner
          Message 4 of 24 , Aug 31, 1998
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            ******************************************************************************
            General Information about the List
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            tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

            This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
            A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
            discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
            defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
            It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
            material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
            context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
            large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
            Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
            scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
            and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
            criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
            criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
            that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
            disciplines.

            This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
            list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
            contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
            kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
            other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
            avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
            civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
            always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
            Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
            of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
            the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
            to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
            discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

            Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
            accessed by sending a message like the following to
            majordomo@...:

            get tc-list tc-list.yymm

            where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
            for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

            List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
            http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
            TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
            http://www.reference.com

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            To subscribe or unsubscribe, send the appropriate message to
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            bundled and sent out a few times per week) by sending this message to
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            If you subscribe to the digest, be sure to unsubscribe from the list so
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            To send a message to the list for all to read, send your message to
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            you're subscribed to the digest. Just send to tc-list.

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            vacation or will be away from your computer for an extended time), please
            unsubscribe from the list. There is no "vacation" command on this list.
            When you want to start receiving messages again, simply subscribe to the
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            *****************************************************************************
            TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism
            *****************************************************************************
            One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
            ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
            another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
            field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
            available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
            Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
            Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
            first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

            Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
            Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
            more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
            hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
            accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
            OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
            papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
            cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
            etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
            acceptable.

            Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
            journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
            prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
            criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
            There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
            will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
            been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
            the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
            either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

            TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
            articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

            Jimmy Adair
            Scholars Press
            P.O. Box 15399
            Atlanta, GA 30333-0399
            USA

            You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
            jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
            our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

            TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
            (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
            can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
            participation in TC and tc-list!

            The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
          • Ronald Minton
            I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for and against the word not in Isaiah 9:3, not increased the joy. Any help is
            Message 5 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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              I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
              and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
              help is appreciated.

              Prof. Ron Minton
              rminton@... (417)833-9581
              5379 North Farm Road 179
              Springfield, MO 65803
            • Jim West
              ... 9:3? Cuz there is no lo to be seen, either in the text or in the apparatus. ... ++++++++++++++++++++++ Jim West, ThD Quartz Hill School of Theology
              Message 6 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                >help is appreciated.

                9:3? Cuz there is no "lo" to be seen, either in the text or in the apparatus.

                >
                >Prof. Ron Minton
                >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                >5379 North Farm Road 179
                >Springfield, MO 65803
                >
                >
                >
                ++++++++++++++++++++++
                Jim West, ThD
                Quartz Hill School of Theology
                jwest@...
              • Rodney Hutton
                The Hebrew of Isaiah 9:2 (= 9:3 in English) does have a peculiar text, reading something like: You have multiplied the nation (haggoi). NOT! (lo ). You have
                Message 7 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                  The Hebrew of Isaiah 9:2 (= 9:3 in English) does have a peculiar text,
                  reading something like:
                  "You have multiplied the nation (haggoi). NOT! (lo'). You have
                  increased the joy." The editor suggests reading "You have multiplied the
                  rejoicing (haggilah), you have increased the joy." LXX reads "The major
                  part of the nation which you (m.s.) have brought down (kategages) in your
                  rejoicing." I cannot suggest withouth Hatch and Redpath how LXX derived
                  its reading from either the MT or the editor's proposed reading. I can
                  see why the BHS editor suggests taking haggoi lo as haggila, but LXX
                  supports the reading of haggoi. If a textual change were made from
                  haggilah to haggoi, it would have had to have occured prior to the
                  translation into Greek. I'd have to check in Hatch and Redpath to see
                  what words possibly lie behind katago ("bring down, lead down") to see
                  what the translator might have been seeing. But I'll leave this to folks
                  with more time.

                  On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Jim West wrote:

                  > At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                  > >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                  > >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                  > >help is appreciated.
                  >
                  > 9:3? Cuz there is no "lo" to be seen, either in the text or in the apparatus.
                  >
                  > >
                  > >Prof. Ron Minton
                  > >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                  > >5379 North Farm Road 179
                  > >Springfield, MO 65803
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > ++++++++++++++++++++++
                  > Jim West, ThD
                  > Quartz Hill School of Theology
                  > jwest@...



                  _______________________________________________________________________
                  Rod Hutton || Disclaimer, Datclaimer!
                  Columbus, Ohio || What's all dis about a
                  <rhutton@...> || Claimer?
                • Mark Gipe
                  Isaiah 9:2 As MT hirbitha hagoy lo = you have made the nation populous no The Leningrad Codex B19a ( and I m sure others ) has a side note to read the
                  Message 8 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                    Isaiah 9:2

                    As MT

                    "hirbitha hagoy lo' " = "you have made the nation populous no"

                    The Leningrad Codex B19a ( and I'm sure others ) has a side note to read the
                    text as "lo" instead of "lo' " that is lamed vav instead of lamed alef so
                    the translation should read something like " You have made the nation
                    populous for him" or "for it"

                    Mark Gipe


                    At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                    >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                    >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                    >help is appreciated.
                    >
                    >Prof. Ron Minton
                    >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                    >5379 North Farm Road 179
                    >Springfield, MO 65803
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • Jack Kilmon
                    The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsa shows lw) (lamed waw alef). I have cropped a JPG of the text and will be glad to attach it to a post if you, or Dr. Minton, is
                    Message 9 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                      The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsa shows lw) (lamed waw alef). I have
                      cropped a JPG of the text and will be glad to attach it to a post
                      if you, or Dr. Minton, is interested.

                      Jack

                      Mark Gipe wrote:
                      >
                      > Isaiah 9:2
                      >
                      > As MT
                      >
                      > "hirbitha hagoy lo' " = "you have made the nation populous no"
                      >
                      > The Leningrad Codex B19a ( and I'm sure others ) has a side note to read the
                      > text as "lo" instead of "lo' " that is lamed vav instead of lamed alef so
                      > the translation should read something like " You have made the nation
                      > populous for him" or "for it"
                      >
                      > Mark Gipe
                      >
                      >
                      > At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                      > >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                      > >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                      > >help is appreciated.
                      > >
                      > >Prof. Ron Minton
                      > >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                      > >5379 North Farm Road 179
                      > >Springfield, MO 65803
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >

                      --
                      ______________________________________________

                      Min d'LA rokHEM l'maRAN yeSHUa meshyCHA niheYAH. maRAN aTHA

                      Jack Kilmon
                      jkilmon@...

                      http://www.historian.net
                    • Mark Gipe
                      Have it, thanks anyway Jack, Mark
                      Message 10 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                        Have it, thanks anyway Jack,


                        Mark

                        At 07:22 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                        >The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsa shows lw) (lamed waw alef). I have
                        >cropped a JPG of the text and will be glad to attach it to a post
                        >if you, or Dr. Minton, is interested.
                        >
                        >Jack
                        >
                        >Mark Gipe wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Isaiah 9:2
                        >>
                        >> As MT
                        >>
                        >> "hirbitha hagoy lo' " = "you have made the nation populous no"
                        >>
                        >> The Leningrad Codex B19a ( and I'm sure others ) has a side note to read the
                        >> text as "lo" instead of "lo' " that is lamed vav instead of lamed alef so
                        >> the translation should read something like " You have made the nation
                        >> populous for him" or "for it"
                        >>
                        >> Mark Gipe
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                        >> >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                        >> >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                        >> >help is appreciated.
                        >> >
                        >> >Prof. Ron Minton
                        >> >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                        >> >5379 North Farm Road 179
                        >> >Springfield, MO 65803
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >
                        >--
                        >______________________________________________
                        >
                        >Min d'LA rokHEM l'maRAN yeSHUa meshyCHA niheYAH. maRAN aTHA
                        >
                        >Jack Kilmon
                        >jkilmon@...
                        >
                        >http://www.historian.net
                        >
                        >
                      • Kevin W. Woodruff
                        Ron: The evidence: not increased : The Kethiv of the Massoretic text and the Vulgate increased :The Qere of the Massoretic text and the Targums The LXX has
                        Message 11 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                          Ron:

                          The evidence:
                          "not increased": The Kethiv of the Massoretic text and the Vulgate
                          "increased":The Qere of the Massoretic text and the Targums
                          The LXX has "Most of the people You have brought down in Your joy

                          Hope this helps

                          At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                          >I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                          >and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                          >help is appreciated.
                          >
                          >Prof. Ron Minton
                          >rminton@... (417)833-9581
                          >5379 North Farm Road 179
                          >Springfield, MO 65803
                          >
                          >
                          >

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                        • Steven Carr
                          In message , Jack Kilmon writes ... Is this DSS Isaiah Scroll very similar, or reasonably similar, or
                          Message 12 of 24 , Sep 1, 1998
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                            In message <35EC8FCA.70380CC@...>, Jack Kilmon
                            <jkilmon@...> writes
                            >The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsa shows lw) (lamed waw alef). I have
                            >cropped a JPG of the text and will be glad to attach it to a post
                            >if you, or Dr. Minton, is interested.

                            Is this DSS Isaiah Scroll very similar, or reasonably similar, or quite
                            different from the later MT text?
                          • Jack Kilmon
                            ... 1QIs(a) and 1QIs(b) were the first scrolls found in the caves by theBedouin shepherd boy in 1947. I saw this scroll for the first time in 1948 in Bill
                            Message 13 of 24 , Sep 2, 1998
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                              Steven Carr wrote:

                              > In message <35EC8FCA.70380CC@...>, Jack Kilmon
                              > <jkilmon@...> writes
                              > >The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsa shows lw) (lamed waw alef). I have
                              > >cropped a JPG of the text and will be glad to attach it to a post
                              > >if you, or Dr. Minton, is interested.
                              >
                              > Is this DSS Isaiah Scroll very similar, or reasonably similar, or quite
                              > different from the later MT text?

                              1QIs(a) and 1QIs(b) were the first scrolls found in the caves by theBedouin
                              shepherd boy in 1947. I saw this scroll for the first time
                              in 1948 in Bill Albright's office at JHU. The B scroll is very similar
                              to the MT with minor variations. The A Scroll is something else
                              again. It uses "Qumranese" and language common to the time it was
                              copied rather than when composed.

                              Jack
                              jkilmon@...
                            • scanlin@compuserve.com
                              The lo [with aleph] we lo [with waw] ketiv-qere variant is a famous Masoretic phenomenon which occurs 17 times in the Hebrew Bible, including Isa 9.2. (See
                              Message 14 of 24 , Sep 2, 1998
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                                The lo [with aleph] we lo [with waw] ketiv-qere variant is a famous
                                Masoretic phenomenon which occurs 17 times in the Hebrew Bible, including
                                Isa 9.2. (See Weil: MM 1795 for the list.) Bruno Ognibeni, in Tradizioni
                                orali di letture e testo ebraico della Bibbia: studio de diciassette ketiv
                                l' / qere lw (Fribourg, 1989) says that in every instance the context may
                                be considered ambiguous. (For convenience, see the short review of
                                Ognibeni in CBQ 53(1991):681-2.) O.'s textual analysis of Isa 9.2 is on
                                pp. 95-99.

                                Harold P. Scanlin
                                United Bible Societies
                                1865 Broadway
                                New York, NY 10023
                                scanlin@...
                              • Roderic L. Mullen
                                I wonder if this lo could be another example of the emphatic particle as suggested for Ex.3:3 by Brevard Childs on p.50 of his Commentary on Exodus. See also
                                Message 15 of 24 , Sep 2, 1998
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                                  I wonder if this "lo" could be another example of the emphatic particle as
                                  suggested for Ex.3:3 by Brevard Childs on p.50 of his Commentary on Exodus.
                                  See also Kholer-Baumgartner (English ed.) vol.2, pp510-511. A translation
                                  could then read "you have made the nations populous indeed!" A difficulty
                                  here would be that "Lo" emphatic seems usually to precede the predicate.
                                  --Rod Mullen

                                  At 04:25 PM 9/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
                                  >Isaiah 9:2
                                  >
                                  >As MT
                                  >
                                  >"hirbitha hagoy lo' " = "you have made the nation populous no"
                                  >
                                  >The Leningrad Codex B19a ( and I'm sure others ) has a side note to read the
                                  >text as "lo" instead of "lo' " that is lamed vav instead of lamed alef so
                                  >the translation should read something like " You have made the nation
                                  >populous for him" or "for it"
                                  >
                                  >Mark Gipe
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >At 03:06 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
                                  >>I do not have study materials with me, but I need the textual evidence for
                                  >>and against the word "not" in Isaiah 9:3, "not increased the joy." Any
                                  >>help is appreciated.
                                  >>
                                  >>Prof. Ron Minton
                                  >>rminton@... (417)833-9581
                                  >>5379 North Farm Road 179
                                  >>Springfield, MO 65803
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                • Cook@AKAD.SUN.AC.ZA
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                                    From: scanlin@...
                                    Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:47:54 -0400
                                    Subject: Re: tc-list "not" in Isaiah 9:3
                                    To: "INTERNET:tc-list@..." <tc-list@...>
                                    Reply-to: tc-list@...

                                    The lo [with aleph] we lo [with waw] ketiv-qere variant is a famous
                                    Masoretic phenomenon which occurs 17 times in the Hebrew Bible, including
                                    Isa 9.2. (See Weil: MM 1795 for the list.) Bruno Ognibeni, in Tradizioni
                                    orali di letture e testo ebraico della Bibbia: studio de diciassette ketiv
                                    l' / qere lw (Fribourg, 1989) says that in every instance the context may
                                    be considered ambiguous. (For convenience, see the short review of
                                    Ognibeni in CBQ 53(1991):681-2.) O.'s textual analysis of Isa 9.2 is on
                                    pp. 95-99.

                                    Harold P. Scanlin
                                    United Bible Societies
                                    1865 Broadway
                                    New York, NY 10023
                                    scanlin@...


                                    I addressed the orthography of the large Isaiah scroll in the
                                    Festschrift for Millik published in Krakow.


                                    Prof. Johann Cook
                                    Department of Ancient Near Eastern Studies
                                    University of Stellenbosch
                                    7600 Stellenbosch
                                    SOUTH AFRICA
                                    tel 22-21-8083207
                                    fax: 22-21-8083480
                                  • Ronald L. Minton
                                    I need the page #s of James F. Mosley Tyndale s Supper of the Lord _Notes and Quires_ Nov. 21, 1942. Does anyone have them handy? Prof. Ron Minton
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Sep 8, 1998
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                                      I need the page #s of James F. Mosley "Tyndale's Supper of the Lord"
                                      _Notes and Quires_ Nov. 21, 1942. Does anyone have them handy?


                                      Prof. Ron Minton
                                      rminton@... (417)833-9581
                                      5379 North Farm Road 179
                                      Springfield, MO 65803
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                                            for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

                                            List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
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                                            One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
                                            ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
                                            another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
                                            field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
                                            available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
                                            Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
                                            Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
                                            first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

                                            Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
                                            Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
                                            more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
                                            hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
                                            accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
                                            OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
                                            papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
                                            cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
                                            etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
                                            acceptable.

                                            Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
                                            journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
                                            prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
                                            criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
                                            There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
                                            will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
                                            been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
                                            the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
                                            either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

                                            TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
                                            articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

                                            Jimmy Adair
                                            Scholars Press
                                            P.O. Box 15399
                                            Atlanta, GA 30333-0399
                                            USA

                                            You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
                                            jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
                                            our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

                                            TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
                                            (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
                                            can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
                                            participation in TC and tc-list!

                                            The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
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                                            Message 21 of 24 , Aug 31, 1999
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                                              tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

                                              This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
                                              A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
                                              discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
                                              defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
                                              It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
                                              material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
                                              context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
                                              large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
                                              Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
                                              scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
                                              and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
                                              criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
                                              criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
                                              that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
                                              disciplines.

                                              This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
                                              list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
                                              contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
                                              kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
                                              other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
                                              avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
                                              civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
                                              always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
                                              Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
                                              of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
                                              the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
                                              to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
                                              discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

                                              Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
                                              accessed by sending a message like the following to
                                              majordomo@...:

                                              get tc-list tc-list.yymm

                                              where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
                                              for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

                                              List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
                                              http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
                                              TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
                                              http://www.reference.com

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                                              One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
                                              ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
                                              another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
                                              field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
                                              available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
                                              Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
                                              Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
                                              first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

                                              Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
                                              Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
                                              more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
                                              hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
                                              accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
                                              OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
                                              papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
                                              cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
                                              etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
                                              acceptable.

                                              Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
                                              journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
                                              prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
                                              criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
                                              There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
                                              will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
                                              been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
                                              the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
                                              either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

                                              TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
                                              articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

                                              Jimmy Adair
                                              ATLA Center for Electronic Texts in Religion
                                              486 Castleaire Dr.
                                              Stone Mountain, GA 30087
                                              USA

                                              You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
                                              jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
                                              our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

                                              TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
                                              (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
                                              can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
                                              participation in TC and tc-list!

                                              The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
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                                              Message 22 of 24 , Nov 2, 1999
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                                                General Information about the List
                                                ******************************************************************************
                                                tc-list: a discussion list of biblical textual criticism

                                                This list is loosely associated with the new electronic journal _TC:
                                                A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism_, and it is intended for a
                                                discussion of any matters relating to biblical textual criticism, broadly
                                                defined. The rationale for the creation of the TC journal is given below.
                                                It is hoped that subscribers to the tc-list will reflect on and respond to
                                                material from articles in TC, will deal with issues that arise in the
                                                context of text-critical study in the community of biblical scholars at
                                                large, and will use the list to suggest new ideas and methodologies.
                                                Notes on any aspect of the textual criticism of the Jewish and Christian
                                                scriptures (including extracanonical and related literature) are welcome,
                                                and threads that transcend the traditional boundary between textual
                                                criticism of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and New Testament textual
                                                criticism are especially encouraged. We would also like to see threads
                                                that discuss the relationship between textual criticism and other
                                                disciplines.

                                                This list is an unmoderated list, and anyone who is a subscriber to the
                                                list may contribute. Conventional netiquette should be followed by all
                                                contributors to the list. The following points in particular should be
                                                kept in mind. (1) Discussion of topics other than textual criticism (or
                                                other topics likely to be of interest to members of the list) should be
                                                avoided. (2) Scholarly discussion can at times be somewhat heated, but
                                                civility should always prevail. (3) Contributors to the list should
                                                always sign their messages with their names (not just e-mail addresses).
                                                Additional information, such as institutional affiliation, might also be
                                                of interest to others on the list. (4) When responding to a message on
                                                the list, quote only that portion of the message that you are responding
                                                to, or enough of the message to remind readers of the context of the
                                                discussion. In many cases it is not necessary to quote the entire message.

                                                Archives of tc-list are automatically maintained, and they may be
                                                accessed by sending a message like the following to
                                                majordomo@...:

                                                get tc-list tc-list.yymm

                                                where yy is a 2-digit year and mm is a 2-digit month (e.g., tc-list.9604
                                                for April 1996). The first month archived is November 1995 (tc-list.9511).

                                                List archives may also be accessed on the Web at
                                                http://purl.org/TC/archives/tc-list/tc-list.html.
                                                TC messages since 28 Feb 1997 are also archived by Reference.COM at
                                                http://www.reference.com

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                                                If you subscribe to the digest, be sure to unsubscribe from the list so
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                                                To send a message to the list for all to read, send your message to
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                                                you're subscribed to the digest. Just send to tc-list.

                                                If you do not want to receive messages for a while (e.g., you're going on
                                                vacation or will be away from your computer for an extended time), please
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                                                TC: A Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism
                                                *****************************************************************************
                                                One of the benefits of increasingly widespread Internet access is the
                                                ease with which scholars in a particular field can communicate with one
                                                another. Although the sciences have dominated the electronic journal
                                                field up until this point, several journals in the humanities are now
                                                available online. TC follows in the (brief) tradition of the Journal of
                                                Buddhist Ethics, the International Journal of Tantric Studies, and the
                                                Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. As far as we are aware, TC is the
                                                first Web journal in the area of biblical studies.

                                                Why "biblical" textual criticism (rather than t-c of the NT or the Hebrew
                                                Bible/OT)? It is time for textual critics in the two camps to communicate
                                                more with one another. Textual critics in one field can only benefit by
                                                hearing what those in the other field have to say. The journal will
                                                accept papers dealing with any aspect of textual criticism of the
                                                OT/Hebrew Bible or NT, and it especially encourages "crossover"
                                                papers that deal with both areas. Papers dealing either with specific
                                                cruxes or with larger issues (methodology, use of versional evidence,
                                                etc.) are welcome. Brief notes or full-length articles are equally
                                                acceptable.

                                                Why an electronic journal? The fact of the matter is that printing a
                                                journal costs a lot of money (especially with recent increases in paper
                                                prices). In addition, it is debatable whether the field of textual
                                                criticism could generate a large enough base to support a paper journal.
                                                There are technical difficulties with displaying non-Latin characters that
                                                will have to be addressed, but some of these difficulties have already
                                                been overcome. With an electronic journal, scholars and students around
                                                the world can have free access to one or another form of the journal,
                                                either via the World Wide Web, FTP, or e-mail.

                                                TC is now in its second year of operation, and we are looking for
                                                articles. Please submit your articles in electronic form to:

                                                Jimmy Adair
                                                ATLA Center for Electronic Texts in Religion
                                                486 Castleaire Dr.
                                                Stone Mountain, GA 30087
                                                USA

                                                You are also welcome to send articles via e-mail to
                                                jadair@..., or you may upload your articles directly to
                                                our FTP site at ftp://shemesh.scholar.emory.edu/uploads/TC.

                                                TC has a home page on TELA, the Scholars Press World Wide Web site
                                                (http://purl.org/TC), and interested parties
                                                can look at this page for announcements. We look forward to your
                                                participation in TC and tc-list!

                                                The list-owner of tc-list is Jimmy Adair (jadair@...).
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