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  • Amil Nur
    В ТАТАРСТАНЕ ПО - ТАТАРСКИ! Обращение ВТОЦ к татарскому народу. Дорогие
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 10, 2006
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      В ТАТАРСТАНЕ ПО - ТАТАРСКИ!

      Обращение ВТОЦ к татарскому народу.

      Дорогие соотечественники!

      Несмотря на официально провозглашенный государственный статус татарского языка в Республике Татарстан, родной язык коренного народа находится в загоне. Закон о языках народов РТ не исполняется ни на уровне государственных властей, ни на уровне муниципальных структур, ни на уровне организаций образования, культуры, торговли и транспорта. Шовинистически настроенные администраторы не стесняются даже организовывать "стихийные протесты жителей" против придания тем или иным улицам татарских названий. Так случилось в старинном татарском районе города Бишбалта, когда пытались переименовывать коммунистический атавизм под названием "ул. Клары Цеткин". До сих пор в тысячелетней татарской Казани не более 20 процентов улиц имеют татарские названия, что справедливо воспринимается как наследие четырех векового колониализма. В различных учреждениях на обращение по-татарски очень часто можно получить хамский ответ, дескать, в России говорите по-русски. Однако ведь российское законодательство также признает государственный статус языков титульных народов национальных республик.
      В связи со сложившейся ситуацией вокруг татарского языка и реальной угрозы его исчезновения со всех сфер нашей жизни, Всетатарский общественный центр призывает соотечественников приступить к конкретным акциям по его защите и реанимации. Давайте требовать и настаивать на его употреблении во всех учреждениях. Что касается торговли, то мы призываем к бойкоту тех торговцев, которые наиболее вызывающе попирают наш родной язык. Начнем с сети магазинов "Александр ЛТД", владелец которого ныне возглавляет Кировский муниципалитет Казани и поощряет шовинистические выходки. А также, расположенные в Старо-татарской слободе торговые центры "Муравейник", "Модная семья", "Свежачок", которые своими нелепыми названиями попирают не только татарский, но и русский язык.

      Дорогие соотечественники! Будем стойки и последовательны в защите родного языка!

      Председатель ВТОЦ Талгат Барый, Казань.
    • M DK
      To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and Kazan.
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 13, 2006
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        To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and Kazan.  Years go by, but these pathetic characters do absolutely nothing to advance the Tatar culture beyond the stupid peasant theatre shows and Sabantuys. What can one expect from a mayor of Kazan, who, yesterday, on TNV, in plain RUSSIAN and clad in Russian military uniform dreamed of restoring Russian's army's former "glory", lovingly recalled his service in the Soviet Army, encouraged Tatar youth to go to the army as if he had never heard about RACISM, torture and hazing that represent Russia's army's SHAMEFUL AND VERY DANGEROUS daily life, and depicted life in the Russian army as paradise and an extremely useful experience?  Do you REALLY think this guy will ever promote the Tatar language?  As a matter of fact, I HAVE NEVER heard him actually speak Tatar.  Does he know the language?  For some reason, I doubt that.  Oh, one more thing, while Mr. Metshin dressed in the Russian military uniform was giving his upbeat interview about the joys of the Russian army, Mr. Minnikhanov was deeply absorbed in shooting from a hand-gun!...  What can one expect from a government like this? And the TNV itself?  Scared of its own shadow!  Can anyone recall any programme on this "scared-of-the-entire-world" channel that would keep your attention for more that 5 seconds?  I can't.

        In short, the language is only the symptom.  The problem is much deeper.  The people who elect and tolearate governments like this one is no better than the government itself.  As a Misha'r, I am ashamed of these people, I don't see how they can represent us, Misha'rs, in anything and how they can claim the leadership of the UNITED Tatar nation.  They are not leaders as far as I am concerned.  They parazitise on the notion of the Tatar unity and, what I expect (AND AFRAID OF) in the future, is that Misha'rs will finally get tired of being in the union with such and inept group of inept Asiatic people and will seek our own identity.  And that what the Russians and Mr. Tishkov in particular want, don't they?  So, the question is now very simple: WHY IS THE CURRENT REGIME IN TATARSTAN DESTROYING THE UNITY OF THE TATAR NATION FROM THE INSIDE?  WHO ARE THEY WORKING FOR?  Does anyone know the answer to this question?   

         


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      • M DK
        To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and Kazan.
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 13, 2006
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          To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and Kazan.  Years go by, but these pathetic characters do absolutely nothing to advance the Tatar culture beyond the stupid peasant theatre shows and Sabantuys. What can one expect from a mayor of Kazan, who, yesterday, on TNV, in plain RUSSIAN and clad in the Russian military uniform dreamed of restoring Russian army's former "glory", lovingly recalled his service in the Soviet Army, encouraged Tatar youth to go to the army as if he had never heard about RACISM, torture and hazing that represent Russia's army's SHAMEFUL AND VERY DANGEROUS daily life, and depicted life in the Russian army as paradise and an extremely useful experience?  Do you REALLY think this guy will ever promote the Tatar language?  As a matter of fact, I HAVE NEVER heard him actually speak Tatar.  Does he know the language?  For some reason, I doubt that.  Oh, one more thing, while Mr. Metshin dressed in the Russian military uniform was giving his upbeat interview about the joys of the Russian army, Mr. Minnikhanov was deeply absorbed in shooting from a hand-gun!...  What can one expect from a government like this? And the TNV itself?  Scared of its own shadow!  Can anyone recall any programme on this "scared-of-the-entire-world" channel that would keep your attention for more that 5 seconds?  I can't.

          In short, the language is only the symptom.  The problem is much deeper.  The people that elects and tolearates the government like this one is no better than the government itself.  As a Misha'r, I am ashamed of these people, I don't see how they can represent us, Misha'rs, in anything and how they can claim the leadership of the UNITED Tatar nation.  They are not leaders as far as I am concerned.  They parasitize on the notion of the Tatar unity and, what I expect (AND AFRAID OF) in the future, is that Misha'rs will finally get tired of being in the union with such an inept group of inept Asiatic people and will seek our own identity.  And that's what the Russians and Mr. Tishkov in particular want, don't they?  So, the question is now very simple: WHY IS THE CURRENT REGIME IN TATARSTAN DESTROYING THE UNITY OF THE TATAR NATION FROM THE INSIDE?  WHO ARE THEY WORKING FOR?  Does anyone know the answer to this question?  

          From:  Amil Nur <amilnur@...>
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        • Nadir Devlet
          As a matter of fact the Tatars are dispersed.Their main homeland was diveded in several pieces.Therefore only 25% or so are living in a republic called
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 14, 2006
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            As a matter of fact the Tatars are dispersed.Their main homeland was diveded in several pieces.Therefore only 25% or so are living in a republic called Tatarstan and they make slightly the majority (53 %).The Tatars in neighbouring republics and oblasts, Tatars in Siberia or elsewhere in RF,and in foreign countries (far diaspora) looking to Kazan for advise, contribution and help mainly in cultural matters. The Tatars or more correct the leadership of Tatarstan, also the majority of Tatars are not keen to use their mother tongue (or many of them, especially city dweller don't know their mother tongue). Because they use the argument that everybody understand Russian language. In other words Tatar language doesn't have function in real sence among leadership. Let's us think which language is used in Tatarstan parliament, in press, or in daily life.To preserve the Tatar identity mainly folkloristic instrument has been found. And this is Sabantuy or some gatherings in Kazan, where
            hunderts of people are invited. Certainly Sabantuy has centuries old background. But at the end it is one day gathering, where people listen to to folk songs or dances, and drink a lot. In other words you go there and forget next day. The leadeship is happy with it because they can make a great fuss of it. For such festivities lot of money is poored or we can say Tatarstan shares its economic profit with the people. But for more importend effective cultural activities, like teaching language, printing books, or broadcasting in mother tongue, creating a modern institution etc. there is no money left. In short to preserve the Tatar nation, culture we need more academic, social and political contribution. First step would be by bringing talented, industrious, young and as Tukay said (min Tatarmin, Tatar ochin jan atarmin: I am Tatar, I will give my soul for Tatar) Tatar loving people to the right places. But is it what the leadership wants? Certainly there are other priorities on the
            agenda, which we don't know or seem not to understand.

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            Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:51:33 +0300
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            Subject: RE: [tatar-l] Urischa Telg'et Bariden: Qazanda tatar atamalari ... - CORRECTED.

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            > To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and Kazan. Years go by, but these pathetic characters do absolutely nothing to advance the Tatar culture beyond the stupid peasant theatre shows and Sabantuys. What can one expect from a mayor of Kazan, who, yesterday, on TNV, in plain RUSSIAN and clad in the Russian military uniform dreamed of restoring Russian army's former "glory", lovingly recalled his service in the Soviet Army, encouraged Tatar youth to go to the army as if he had never heard about RACISM, torture and hazing that represent Russia's army's SHAMEFUL AND VERY DANGEROUS daily life, and depicted life in the Russian army as paradise and an extremely useful experience? Do you REALLY think this guy will ever promote the Tatar language? As a matter of fact, I HAVE NEVER heard him actually speak Tatar. Does he know the language? For some reason, I doubt that. Oh, one
            more thing, while Mr. Metshin dressed in the Russian military uniform was giving his upbeat interview about the joys of the Russian army, Mr. Minnikhanov was deeply absorbed in shooting from a hand-gun!... What can one expect from a government like this? And the TNV itself? Scared of its own shadow! Can anyone recall any programme on this "scared-of-the-entire-world" channel that would keep your attention for more that 5 seconds? I can't. In short, the language is only the symptom. The problem is much deeper. The people that elects and tolearates the government like this one is no better than the government itself. As a Misha'r, I am ashamed of these people, I don't see how they can represent us, Misha'rs, in anything and how they can claim the leadership of the UNITED Tatar nation. They are not leaders as far as I am concerned. They parasitize on the notion of the Tatar unity and, what I expect (AND AFRAID OF) in the future, is that Misha'rs will finally get tired of being
            in the union with such an inept group of inept Asiatic people and will seek our own identity. And that's what the Russians and Mr. Tishkov in particular want, don't they? So, the question is now very simple: WHY IS THE CURRENT REGIME IN TATARSTAN DESTROYING THE UNITY OF THE TATAR NATION FROM THE INSIDE? WHO ARE THEY WORKING FOR? Does anyone know the answer to this question?
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          • M DK
            Actually, the %% of Tatars in Tatarstan is about 60% now, not 53%, but that s not gonna change anything for the reasons outlined below. Second, the situation
            Message 5 of 7 , Jun 14, 2006
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              Actually, the %% of Tatars in Tatarstan is about 60% now, not 53%, but that's not gonna change anything for the reasons outlined below.  Second, the situation in Estonia in the Soviet times was not only very much the same, but arguably even worse.  Yet, if you visited Tallinn back in the late 70-ies - early 80-ies, you could hardly find any street and shop sign in Russian, or at least that was the impression, and most Estonians REFUSED TO SPEAK RUSSIAN.  Estonians stuck to their culture and language despite the fact that "everybody understood Russian" in the USSR.  The difference between the Estonians and the Tatars is very clear: Estonians had a high degree of NATIONAL PRIDE, while the Kazan Tatars have a lower degree of it (I stress the Kazan component here, because the Misha'rs have a significantly higher degree of national pride and are significantly more resilient to assimilation - where the Kazan Tatars get assimilated by the Russians in Moscow and St.-Pete in their 2nd generation, Misha'r maintain their language and culture and national identity even in the 4th-5th generations). That's that. And this sad fact is reflected in the attitudes of Kazan Tatars' Governments (I would argue that with this kind of an attitude they can hardly claim the leadership of all the Tatars). In fact, nobody needs to reinvent the wheel here with respect to bilingual signs - Canada and other countries have decades if not centuries old experience in this area. All that the Municipality of Kazan needs to do is to pass a by-law obligating all the merchants to put their signs in two languages and to define a meaningful penalty for violating this by-law. Why haven't Mr. Iskhakov and Mr. Metshin done that? Or if they have, why haven't they enforced it?
               
              It goes without saying that the masses, in our case the Tatarstani masses, left without TRUE national leadership and with low self-esteem and almost non-existent NATIONAL PRIDE, quickly subject themselves to national degradation and loss of the Tatar culture and language. Tatarstani Government's indifference to the Tatar language and culture is only the tip of an ice-berg: persecution of the Tatar nationalist movement, ridiculing Tatar nationalists and making them an object of public scorn and negative attitudes through the puppet mass media, imprisonment and torture of Muslims, deportation of fellow-Tatars to oppressive regimes in Uzbekistan, etc. Isn't that enough to prove the inadequacy of the existing Government in Tatarstan?
               
              One of the sad things of the above is that the Tatars living outside Tatarstan are more like Tatars than the Tatarstani Tatars and as this gap keeps widening, so does the alienation of non-Tatarstani Tatars from Tatarstan. And, eventually, unfortunately, Allah saklasyn, there may be no role left for Tatarstan in the national life of the Tatar nation, which would be a very unfortunate development, because it will give the Kremlin a long-awaited opportunity to split the Tatar nation into many small pieces and then try to assimilate us.
               
              One of the reasons for this passivity and lack of character I see in the fact that Kazan is not a true heir of our glorious Altyn Urda heritage both ethnically and culturally. The Russians have usurped this wonderful inheritance, which truly belongs to us, to their full benefit. And Tatarstan, just like the Volga Bulgaria, its direct ancestor, remains a deep-deep province trying to meet the requirements of its colonial master. A sad fate, indeed. 
               
              What needs to be done? If we don't understand the "complicated game" of the Tatarstani Government, they need to explain it to us. If they've sold our national interests to the Moscow Kremlin, they should better admit that in public and we shall know that we are dealing with a bunch of traitors. If they are engaged in a complicated diplomatic game, they should make all the tricky issues public and subject them to public debate before agreeing on anything with Moscow. If they want to be strong, they should take the interests of all the Tatars, especially the Misha'rs, into consideration and, on a daily basis, cultivate public support for Tatarstan amongst the Tatars and other Turkish/Turkic nations all over the world. Tatarstan must become a bastion, a base, an "Israel" of the Tatar nation, culture and language, otherwise it will fall victim to the Garden Ring imperialists. And last, through their puppet mass media outlets and otherwise, the Government of Tatarstan must keep telling us, the Tatars, as a matter of NATIONAL POLICY, the following: YOU ARE THE BEST! YOUR LANGUAGE IS THE BEST! YOUR HISTORY IS THE BEST! YOUR CULTURE IS THE BEST! YOUR FAITH AND RELIGION ARE THE BEST! YOU ARE AS GOOD AS THE AMERICANS, THE ENGLISH, THE FRENCH, ETC.! And our wonderful people will wake up sooner than anyone expects. And when that happens, we'll become free. At last.
               
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              As a matter of fact the Tatars are dispersed.Their main homeland was diveded in
              several pieces.Therefore only 25% or so are living in a republic called
              Tatarstan and they make slightly the majority (53 %).The Tatars in neighbouring
              republics and oblasts, Tatars in Siberia or elsewhere in RF,and in foreign
              countries (far diaspora) looking to Kazan for advise, contribution and help
              mainly in cultural matters. The Tatars or more correct the leadership of
              Tatarstan, also the majority of Tatars are not keen to use their mother tongue
              (or many of them, especially city dweller don't know their mother tongue).
              Because they use the argument that everybody understand Russian language. In
              other words Tatar language doesn't have function in real sence among leadership.
              Let's us think which language is used in Tatarstan parliament, in press, or in
              daily life.To preserve the Tatar identity mainly folkloristic instrument has
              been found. And this is Sabantuy or some gatherings in Kazan, where
              hunderts of people are invited. Certainly Sabantuy has centuries old
              background. But at the end it is one day gathering, where people listen to to
              folk songs or dances, and drink a lot. In other words you go there and forget
              next day. The leadeship is happy with it because they can make a great fuss of
              it. For such festivities lot of money is poored or we can say Tatarstan shares
              its economic profit with the people. But for more importend effective cultural
              activities, like teaching language, printing books, or broadcasting in mother
              tongue, creating a modern institution etc. there is no money left. In short to
              preserve the Tatar nation, culture we need more academic, social and political
              contribution. First step would be by bringing talented, industrious, young and
              as Tukay said (min Tatarmin, Tatar ochin jan atarmin: I am Tatar, I will give my
              soul for Tatar) Tatar loving people to the right places. But is it what the
              leadership wants? Certainly there are other priorities on the
              agenda, which we don't know or seem not to understand.

              -----Original message-----
              From: "M DK" mdk51@...
              Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:51:33 +0300
              To: tatar-l@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [tatar-l] Urischa Telg'et Bariden: Qazanda tatar atamalari ... -
              CORRECTED.

              >
              > To make sure that Tatar is spoken in Tatarstan there is only one solution: to
              replace the existing impotent and treacherous governments in Tatarstan and
              Kazan. Years go by, but these pathetic characters do absolutely nothing to
              advance the Tatar culture beyond the stupid peasant theatre shows and Sabantuys.
              What can one expect from a mayor of Kazan, who, yesterday, on TNV, in plain
              RUSSIAN and clad in the Russian military uniform dreamed of restoring Russian
              army's former "glory", lovingly recalled his service in the Soviet Army,
              encouraged Tatar youth to go to the army as if he had never heard about RACISM,
              torture and hazing that represent Russia's army's SHAMEFUL AND VERY DANGEROUS
              daily life, and depicted life in the Russian army as paradise and an extremely
              useful experience? Do you REALLY think this guy will ever promote the Tatar
              language? As a matter of fact, I HAVE NEVER heard him actually speak Tatar.
              Does he know the language? For some reason, I doubt that. Oh, one
              more thing, while Mr. Metshin dressed in the Russian military uniform was giving
              his upbeat interview about the joys of the Russian army, Mr. Minnikhanov was
              deeply absorbed in shooting from a hand-gun!... What can one expect from a
              government like this? And the TNV itself? Scared of its own shadow! Can anyone
              recall any programme on this "scared-of-the-entire-world" channel that would
              keep your attention for more that 5 seconds? I can't. In short, the language is
              only the symptom. The problem is much deeper. The people that elects and
              tolearates the government like this one is no better than the government itself.
              As a Misha'r, I am ashamed of these people, I don't see how they can represent
              us, Misha'rs, in anything and how they can claim the leadership of the UNITED
              Tatar nation. They are not leaders as far as I am concerned. They parasitize
              on the notion of the Tatar unity and, what I expect (AND AFRAID OF) in the
              future, is that Misha'rs will finally get tired of being
              in the union with such an inept group of inept Asiatic people and will seek our
              own identity. And that's what the Russians and Mr. Tishkov in particular want,
              don't they? So, the question is now very simple: WHY IS THE CURRENT REGIME IN
              TATARSTAN DESTROYING THE UNITY OF THE TATAR NATION FROM THE INSIDE? WHO ARE
              THEY WORKING FOR? Does anyone know the answer to this question?
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            • Amil Nur
              Tatarstanda tatar 60-70 protsent kebek toyila, gafu. Bu minem xaliq belen aralashudan :) algan hisleremnen kilgen fikerem gene. Bari tik ul 60-70 protsentning
              Message 6 of 7 , Jun 14, 2006
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                Tatarstanda tatar 60-70 protsent kebek toyila, gafu. Bu minem xaliq belen aralashudan :) algan hisleremnen kilgen fikerem gene. Bari tik ul 60-70 protsentning kupchelege mangqort qina tugel, agressif tatarophob.:( Bu 100 yilliq cedid-evro-uris terbiye, sovet genodsidi netijese. Minga qalsa Qazan xekimnerene tatarlar 53 protsent (shileneme bu sannarga) gina bulu ZUUUR faydali. Bigerge, izerge, aladraga cingle. Meskeu de riza, cirle tureler de tuq..
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