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Tomorrow we'll chat again to help Kenyans in the post-election turmoil
We'll start at 15:00 Kenya time, 12:00 UK, 7:00 New York but you can
come any time and maybe you will find somebody to chat with.
We're looking for short term ways to help. The situation is serious
(transportation unavailable, communications shut down, food and water
shortages, lawlessness and ethnic turmoil). The long term prospects are
good (the opposition has won many seats in the parliament, which will
meet in March, and there is a widespread concern for the country). We're
trying to help individuals help others and also avert a civil war or a
genocide as occurred in Rwanda.
The simplest way to help right now is to make phone calls to Kenyans and
send SMS messages. We are making a list and encouraging calls (note that
Kenyan time is GMT+3 and the country code is +254. Check the price per
minute - I recommend using Skype http://www.skype.com).
+254 725 600 439 Samwel Kongere in Rusinga Island on Lake Victoria near
Mbita Point. We spoke in the morning but he didn't answer in the
evening. Samwel is safe and he will try to write in the coming days.
+254 722 366 777 Muyela is a lawyer in Nakuru who we met today through
Davis Weddi. We spoke for 15 minutes, see the chat transcript. Muyela
made clear that everything would stop in one day if the current
President simply called for an audit of the election results. If you
call Muyela, then please let him know of Dennis Kimambo's work there
organizing peace meetings, see Dennis' letter below.
+254 722 388 275 Dennis Kimambo in Nakuru, community theatre leader and
peace activist, see http://wiki.rising.globalvoicesonline.org/REPACTED
+254 725 678 641 Tom Ochuka in Kisumu, one of the hardest hit areas. I
spoke with Tom tonight for 10 minutes. He was robbed and lost his
digital camera, the pay phone from which his family makes a living, a
gas cylinder and some funds. I will send him money that Ricardo donated.
This is for his family, and if anybody has more to donate, Tom can
organize support for the deaf he works with in Deaf Impact, this is a
great time to help. http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?TomOchuka
+254 723 568 251 Kennedy Owino of Nafsi Afrika Acrobats in Nairobi's
slums. Kennedy would be a great person to support, especially if he
could distribute and organize help in Nairobi. This morning Samwel said
that Kennedy was safe but had no transport into Nairobi.
+254 720 462 559 David Mutua of Teachers Talking Kenya- outside Nairobi
in Kangundo district. He is from a minority tribe but perhaps he has
contacts with people in the President's party which I imagine dominates
there. Pamela McLean has not succeeded in contacting him.
Ronald Omondi - western part of Kenya, Nyando district, 100 km from
Kisumu - what is his telephone number?
Add to our list...
Asif Daya, thank you for help and it would indeed be great if you might
coordinate this further! I will keep you posted regarding fundraising.
As Muyelo told me, the entire crisis would end in a day if President
Mwai Kibaki were to call for an audit of the election results. I
encourage us to "think from our opponent's point of view" which is the
foundation for "fighting peacefully". What reasons might sway the
President to call for an audit? Certainly, he might listen to his own
party. Therefore it is key to engage members and leaders of the
President's Party for National Unity. I encourage us to find them and
get their permission to share their phone numbers so that people could
call them and dialogue with them. And perhaps they might declare their
support for such an audit and encourages others as well or offer their
recommendations. Certainly dialogue with them would help reduce strife
Tom agreed with this. He also said it would help to get news of the
international response. Currently they get state television from Nairobi
and there is no live coverage. Also, Kisumu is cut off from Nairobi by
tribal differences. Thus it would be helpful to get reports of what is
happening in Nairobi. I think also that sometimes people locally aren't
in touch with each other (or they run out of phone credits). So it is
helpful to relay messages between, say, Muyelo and Dennis Kimbambo in
Josephat Ndibalema of Uyoga in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania is leading our
translation work into Kiswahili. Our priority now is to translate
summaries international news as Tom suggests and make that available for
posting, emailing and printing. Sasha Mrkailo is also collecting texts
and links, including short works or passages about nonviolent
engagement, which will be relevant if this crisis continues. Who might
help him? We're collecting that at
Thank you to Davis Weddi in Kampala, Uganda and to Kiyavilo Msekwa in
Arusa, Tanzania who are both a couple of hours from Kenya and will help
us help refugees coming into those countries. Davis linked us with
Muyelo and also will be in touch with refugee leaders tomorrow. They
will report on the refugees' needs, spread their news, and tell us of
the organizations working there. Thank you for your quick response! I
have sent them each 100 USD for their work.
We should contact interested media who would like such reports. I'm also
sharing with Rising Voices and asking for help from bloggers. Asif
suggested the Christian Science Monitor.
It's been reported that Kenyans who send SMS messages will be arrested.
However, given the shortage of police and understanding the importance
of widespread activism, I think that such civil disobedience is welcome.
In a dissident society it's important that everybody risk at least a
little bit, and that we allow for the entire range of risk takers, from
the most bold to the most timid.
I will try to set up a wiki in Kiswahili for our work. Perhaps Helmut
Leitner will be able to help me tomorrow, we had considered this some
time ago and it may be easy to turn our existing wiki into a "wiki farm".
I include below Dennis' letter, another letter, today's chat transcript
and my chat with Serina, a Kenyan student is Sweden.
I look forward to chatting tomorrow. There's lot of work for volunteers!
I also welcome contributions by PayPal to ms@... and let us know what
you'd like to contribute towards.
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Its sad what is happening in our country Kenya, hopefully peace will
come back ts very sad what we are seeing in other parts of this county
and our own town here in Nakuru, a good note to this side as we are all
affected we carried out a meeting today with two ethnic groups that are
both very much involved with what is happening and tension has been
building up, at Free Area where most of the landlords are Kikuyu's and
the Tenants Luo's we used magnet theatre to have a forum with them, and
it was a very fired meeting as both side tried to prove that they are
right in what is happening at the end of the day we all agreed that the
leadership should help with the problem nationally but as locals staying
here in Nakuru as neighbors they agreed to refrain from violence and
they will hold the same meetings every 3 days just to help one another
with the tension and console those who have lost there family in other
parts of the country, this was possible with the help of the chief of
the area, as we continue to push for peace we are asking you to pray for
Attached are 2 pics from the meeting
I am struck with a sense of brother/sisterhood to see the concerns
people have outside of Kenya and especially folks from our groups. Thank
Andrius I will help in any way that is possible to bring peace and
security to our fellow Kenyans.
Right now there is no fuel for cars, no Kerosene for cooking nor
charcoal/coal. There are splinters of small shops open for shopping and
the lines are long....but the riots continue. People are sleeping in
other peoples garages to hide from the riots. The majority in Kenya is
Kikuyu and the info that Andrius gave was absolutely correct on the
ethnicities of the presidential make up and also of Samwell. I am very
concerned about Samwell. I tried to call him too. I wish we had a way to
reach an NGO. The net may be the best way. There is hardly any food.
People keep worrying about Rwanda in the back of their minds.
Here is a resource:
This is what I found from a Kenyan site:
I have just visited GoPetition and found the following page very
Here is another one that was working a few days back:
Just click on the link and sign petition,
Andrius is right, we must write to our representatives to implement
peace either by a recount or some other way, but they must be fully engaged.
I understand from the latest news that Mr. Odinga has called for a
Million man march to Uhuru Park - but that is going to be a bloodshed if
the police are engaged - since their orders are to use live rounds of
bullets. I cry for the people of Kenya - they all want peace, but also
want a fair election. The scenario is ruined by looters and those that
destroy due to engaging in ethnic differences.
May God Bless The People Of Kenya.
Andrius Kulikauskas in Lithuania
Sasha Mrkailo in Serbia
Josephat Ndibalema in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, the capital
Kiyavilo Msekwa in Arusha, Tanzania near the border with Kenya
Maria Agnese Giraudo near Rome, Italy
Ricardo in the UK
Davis Weddi in Kampala, Uganda
Fred Kayiwa in Kampala, Uganda
Kevin in India and from Uganda
Rojo from Colombia
Pamela McLean in the UK
Dennis Kimambo from Kenya
Benoit Couture in Alberta, Canada
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Agnese, yes I am now :: Good morning, Ricardo!
I'm taking some steps to help Kenya. Then I'll work on my philosophy,
have lunch with Tomas Cepaitis and be back for your phone call. When do
Sasha: HI, I am really upset with the situation in Kenya
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Sasha, I am here. Thank you for your help and
Josephat agreed that they would translate information into Kiswahili.
Can you collect some useful information that could be put into a flyer,
for example, contact numbers for help? :: We can have papers printed in
Tanzania and they can be taken into Kenya by bus or they can be
downloaded from the Internet and distributed in Kenya.
Ricardo: Hi everyone.
Sasha: hi Ricardo :: nice to se you here :: that is if you are stil here
Ricardo: Hi Sasha. How are you?
Sasha: nice thank you :: but was very upset with Kenya news :: HI Pam ::
just reading some Kenyan blogs :: now is the situation where an includer
would be of enourmus help :: especially coupled with some radio abilities
Ricardo: Yes. I saw the TV news with burning houses in Kibera, where Ken
Owino's Nafsi Arika group lives and works.
Pam: Hi Sasha and everyone :: hi
Sasha: terible :: its quite upseting for me because I felt same few
years ago :: and had similar experiences :: so I can understand how much
painful this can be
JosephatNdibalema: Hi everybody
Ricardo: Do you know whether Ken Owino has been in touch? There was a
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Ricardo, Josephat, Sasha
Ricardo: Hi Josephat, Andrius.
AndriusKulikauskas: Yes I spoke with Samwel and he is in touch with Ken
:: and they are both fine.
Sasha: yes Maria Agnese talked with Ken and Sam today I think
JosephatNdibalema: Fine A ndrius but the new year is'nt welcoming for
our friends in Kenya
Ricardo: That's good. I hope things settle down soon.
Sasha: terrible :: is there some way we can help them?
AndriusKulikauskas: I sent 100 USD to Davis Weddi and also to Kims in
Arusha, Tanzania near the border
AndriusKulikauskas: Josephat I am glad that you can translate
Sasha: we have here a page where we can add something, ideas
AndriusKulikauskas: I think that you could work with Sasha and he could
find materials :: and Uyoga could translate them into Kiswahili
Sasha: also have read that it has side effects on other countries in the
region :: like Uganda
JosephatNdibalema: Yes i better work on that to help our friends in Kenya
AndriusKulikauskas: I think it would be go to have even single pages
(flyers) :: and they could be put online for download and for printing
and photocopying and distribution :: with the most helpful information
that could be put on one page
Sasha: this situation shows how vulnerable are centralised
communications networks like sms in timesof troubles
AndriusKulikauskas: such as contact information for NGOs that can help
Sasha: good idea Andrius
AndriusKulikauskas: Sasha, please, can you work on this with Josephat ::
the pages can contain URLs where people can find information
Sasha: yes I can :: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Kenya
AndriusKulikauskas: Also we can set up a Kiswahili wiki :: I will try to
do that today
Sasha: here is the page wwhere we can gather informatins
Ricardo: Andrius, is there any way we can help by organizing better
communications for people?
Sasha: Maria Agnese told me that they have internet acces :: but I cant
see any new email from them
Ricardo: ...perhaps relaying messages from one family member to another.
Sasha: shortwave radio is a greaat tool :: I have located Kenyan ham
radio association on the web
JosephatNdibalema: I suggest that it better if we find iformation on
civil education that can be translated into Kiswahili to help Kenyan
AndriusKulikauskas: yes we should set up a wiki in Kiswahili
Sasha: but they dont have any usefull info
AndriusKulikauskas: and also organize a "phone center" :: because the
phones are working and I think SMS will too in a few days
Ricardo: It may be useful just to find out what communications method
are still working and which aren't, then make that info available to people.
AndriusKulikauskas: so to help people stay in touch
Sasha: amateur radio communications are very efficient and reliable in
this kind of disasers
AndriusKulikauskas: yes Ricardo
Sasha: great :: lets put up a page on that :: but first we have to have
someone on the ground who can give us the info what is working and what
Mariaagnese: ken has sent me an sms
Sasha: can somebody call Sam or Ken and gather info on this?
Mariaagnese: soperhaps now they cabn receive sms
Sasha: I dont think that is reliable :: and probably will not work soon
Ricardo: Andrius, you know everyone, so perhaps you can contact as many
as possible and collect the info. I think you said that you could
contact Sam and he is in touch with Ken Owino.
Sasha: if thing go worse which I hope they wont
AndriusKulikauskas: I have to allow others to do that :: Sasha can help
and so can others
Sasha: its not good to hand everything down to Andrius :: to much
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred was interested to help with phone calls ::
Agnese did you learn about Fred's visa?
Sasha: Fred is good, he is our man on the field and he is nearby
Ricardo: Ok. I can text Sam and see what he knows. I'll do that now and
see what response I get.
AndriusKulikauskas: I'm calling Helmut Leitner to ask about ProWiki.
Sasha: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?KenyaCommunication :: I think
that most important now is the information, for the Kenyans :: what is
happening and where
AndriusKulikauskas: Josephat, what do you think would be most helpful?
What kind of information should we translate? Are there refugees or
travelers coming by bus to Dar es Salaam from Kenya?
Sasha: if the sms is working perhaps we can make ya some kind of
newslater an send it to people in Ken :: Kenya with the lates news ::
JosephatNdibalema: Andrius no any transport going to KeNYA and out of KeNYA
Sasha: typical :: they want to control the media situation and control
the people by controloling the informations flow :: it would be good to
gather info on Kenyan blogs to see is there someone actually bloging now
JosephatNdibalema: People have been fearing for the current situation
and security is intensive along Tanzania Kenya border but not closed
Maria-Agnese: I suugest that we collaborate with associations in Kenya
Uganda, Tanzania at the border
Sasha: yes , they are closer there and better know what is really happening
AndriusKulikauskas: Agnese that's a good idea and we have David Weddi at
the Ugandan border and Kims at the Tanzanian border :: and they can
learn which organizations are working there and what kind of help do
Sasha: are there radio amateurs in Dar es Salam?
JosephatNdibalema: I wish to call Kiyavilo evening and ask him about the
situation near the border b'se A rusha is very close to the border ::
Sasha no there is 'nt
AndriusKulikauskas: Sasha that is a good idea - we could organize radio
amateurs in Tanzania and Uganda and help them send news :: perhaps Davis
Weddi knows some, I think he works with radio
Ricardo: I've just sent an SMS Text to Sam to ask whether everyone is
okay and whether we can contact Ken Owino by SMS or email.
JosephatNdibalema: Very interesting idea radio amateurs
Sasha: here is the page with latest blogs on Kenya ::
http://www.kenyaunlimited.com/aggregator/ :: it seems that the ne is
stil open for them :: despite media blackout :: some kind of sms forum
http://www.mashada.com/forums/ :: whre people are giving latest news
AndriusKulikauskas: Josephat, why is there no transport? And how are
people crossing the border? On foot? :: Does anybody have more
information about Tom Ochuka in Kisumu (Maria said he was robbed). Can
we send him money?
Sasha: a post from that forum This just goes to confirm how fragile how
social fabric is. Within hours, neighbours have slashed each other,
whole country is on fire. Why? Because 2 fellows hungry of power.
Maria-Agnese: we have to wait for samwel email to know about Tom ::
there are internet sites of radio amateurs
Ricardo: Andrius. I've added a section to your Worknet
KenyaCommunication page for people to enter the working and non-working
comms methods. http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?KenyaCommunication
Maria-Agnese: Sahsa send a great message to the forum!!! as you have
sent to me!
Sasha: I will try :: This just goes to confirm how fragile how social
fabric is. Within hours, neighbours have slashed each other, whole
country is on fire. :: Why? Because 2 fellows hungry of power.
Ricardo: Andrius, I can phone you about the Includer after this chat if
you like. Is that okay with you?
Kiyavilo: /room Kiswahili :: /room English
JosephatNdibalema: Sorry connection is bringing trouble,yes Andrius
transport to Kenya has stoped due to violence ,bus owners fear ,they say
we can go until we are sure of asecurity,may be Kiyavilo can tell more
Ricardo: Hi Kims. How are you?
Kiyavilo: Hello everyone
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Kiyavilo
Sasha: I cant find any Kenyan ham operator
JosephatNdibalema: Welcome Kims,tell us what do you experience in Arusha
due to ethinic violence in Kenya
Sasha: web page
Maria-Agnese: hi everybody
Kiyavilo: /room English :: /room English :: /room ExtraChat1 :: /room
ExtraChat2 :: /room ExtraChat3 :: /room Lietuviu :: LT: /room HelpOurClients
Ricardo: Andrius. You mentioned Kisumu. On the TV news yesterday, it
said there was a curfew. I don't know whether it is still in place and
24 Hour. It may stop Tom Ochuka picking up any money if we send it.
LT: Kiyavilo: /room English
Pam: I have tried to phone and SMS text David Mutua without success.
Before Christmas he said he was leaving Nairobi to vote
Kiyavilo: Today I meet some people from Kenya running from the violence
there, It seems they are all coming here but the only people who were
able to manage to come to Arusha town where I am are few. :: /room
English :: /room English :: /room ExtraChat2 :: /room English
Ricardo: Andrius, this news report (today 4:41) says the curfew in
Kisumu is a daytime one 6 till 6PM.
Kiyavilo: Sorry for inconvinence am having problem using the chatroom.
But any way I have the plan to go to the Boarder tomorrow to see if I
can come across to those who had manage to reach to the boader so that I
can find out how is their situation so far. Andrius has sent me $100 and
I will use it to find some information then I will send you the
feedback. By the way I would like a recommendation latter :: /room
English :: /room ExtraChat1 :: /room English
AndriusKulikauskas: Could one of us write a letter of recommendation for
Kiyavilo, please? :: That he is representing our Minciu Sodas laboratory
to learn how we can help associations organizing relief?
Sasha: what kind of letter? Perhaps better someone with native english
speaking abilities :: I cant find any radio amateur site in Kenya
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Agnese, Pam :: Yes, Ricardo, please call me after
this chat :: So what are next steps? :: Later today I will try to set up
a Kiswahili wiki so that we can use that tomorrow.
Sasha: I have found a calling sign of two Kenyan ham operators :: so if
someone has ham adio we can use this chanel for emergency communications
Maria-Agnese: I'm no so good in writing a formal letter in english, but
if nobody is available i'll do and you Andrius check it
Kiya: /room English
AndriusKulikauskas: Agnese, that would be great, thank you! :: Hi Kevin
Kiya: I am sorry guys the power went off and I had the problem using my
name to continue with where I ended.
AndriusKulikauskas: Kiyavilo, Agnese will write you a letter. Do you
need anything for it to say in particular?
KevinIndia: Hi Andrius
Maria-Agnese: but it would be a teere of presentation of fred and
reqyuest to go to the border or to go to kenya? please Sasha explain me
Ricardo: Andrius, I've transferred a little money to Minciu Sodas by
Paypal in case its needed. I've used up my 30 day sending limit with
Western Union already, so I can't send it to anyone directly.
Kiya: By the way What I need to have from andrius is the recomendation
letter from the group assigning what I need to do since they will need
an ID confirmation
AndriusKulikauskas: Agnese it would be a letter for Kiyavilo Msekwa of
Arusha, Tanzania to our Minciu Sodas network help refugees and help
organizations that are helping them :: for his work for our Minciu Sodas
Maria-Agnese: the request is to enter to kenya?
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, are you there? I have started a page to
make a shopping list for our Includer components for our hardware team
in Lithuania http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Purchases :: Agnese, I
think it is a statement of his work for us, he doesn't need to enter
Kenya I think just have something to explain to Tanzanian border
officials :: am I correct, Kiya?
JosephatNdibalema: look at this video -You Tube-Kisumu Election violence
Kiya: Yes I think you are
Maria-Agnese: ok, let me try
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, thank you, I got your notice :: Ricardo,
great I received the money
Kiya: But I have to go now I will try to have this chat on my mobile
phone because the internet is being closed so I will continue this chat
on the phone
AndriusKulikauskas: yes I am thinking that we'll probably send something
to Tom Ochuka when that is possible :: Great bye Kiya! thank you for
helping! :: Kiya keep half of the money for yourself and :: use the
other half as you think best. :: and please keep sending us reports.
JosephatNdibalema: also have a look on this
Sasha: http://whiteafrican.com/?p=833 :: this is quite interesting,
similar idea ike I had, send sms news like in newsletters to many Kenyan
AndriusKulikauskas: Josephat, what next steps do we take? :: Hi Rojo ::
Josephat, what should we translate?
Rojo: Hi, from Colombia
AndriusKulikauskas: Hola! :: Josephat is from Tanzania, I'm from
Lithuania, Sasha from Serbia, Agnese from Italy, Ricardo from UK, Kevin
from India :: Kiyavilo is also from Tanzania, not far from Kenya
Ricardo: Andrius. I've managed to access the purchases page. Do you want
me to add suggestions for items to purchase or are you going to do the
list? Is the list of items for the Knight News Challange or just for
JosephatNdibalema: Okey i think it better if we get some information as
regard to civil education so as to educate our fellow Kenyans
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, that list is for general development ::
what would be the first things we should practice with here in Lithuaina
with our hardware team, like Gumstix, Chumby, displays, processors, etc.
Ricardo: Andrius, ok. Do you want me to add a list of suggested items to
AndriusKulikauskas: Josephat, what do you mean by civil education? ::
Ricardo, yes your suggestions would be very helpful! :: and then we can
discuss over the phone
JosephatNdibalema: The problem in Kenya is ethinic the fight is btn the
two major tribes Ruo and Kikuyu
AndriusKulikauskas: yes :: Lou, yes? :: so how do we help people stop
fighting? :: what kind of information will help? :: or keep them safe or
help them get help?
JosephatNdibalema: People should be educated on how to exercise their
right instead of fighting since the country is governed by law
Sasha: terible I have just seen an youtube video :: many refugees
already there :: make a list of ngo that could help
Ricardo: Andrius, have you read Mendenyo messages 823 and 824 yet that I
posted, about the Atmel processor and displays? It can control displays
directly using a lot of parallel lines or we can use a TV-like device
which takes composite-video, RF or AV.
Sasha: make the list of things they (kenyans) would need in this time
KevinIndia: ooh its so horrible
JosephatNdibalema: So Andrius and others the issue of ethnic conlict did
not start today,this problem has been there but now has been prompted by
AndriusKulikauskas: yes Ricardo those letters were great
KevinIndia: food and shelter are more important to them right now
AndriusKulikauskas: and we can get a TV here, and also a digital picture
frame and a DVD player
Sasha: stupid and damn politicians :: they ar ready to go over dead
bodies of their countrymen just to get the power
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Davis! thank you for your excellent report
DavisWeddi: Hi all, I hope am in the right chatroom
JosephatNdibalema: Sasha that is their collect name damn politicians
Sasha: ethnic conflicts are everywhere but they usualy end with some
arguing or ventualy fist figthing :: but this is something much deeper
DavisWeddi: OK I am looking at 2moro's bulletin and I hope I will be
able to pass on more information
Sasha: people are poor, powerless, frustrated, hungry :: and the wont to
have a life :: if there i no life, well... :: things like this happen ::
same as i saw here
DavisWeddi: Now, some analysts in Uganda say, the ethnic tensions in
Kenya have just been waiting for an opportune moment and if this current
situation is not handled maturely, it might slide into full-blown genocide
Sasha: when you cant see a way out of the mess, autodestruction and
JosephatNdibalema: It is time to tell Kenyans that fighting will not
bring any solution,but seat and talk to end violence which are putting
the country at risk :: Goodbye
Sasha: bye JOsephtat
AndriusKulikauskas: Bye Josephat
Sasha: but how to tell them if they are far and not reachable?
AndriusKulikauskas: Please keep thinking what information to write and
to translate :: also Josephat would it help to send Uyoga some money?
how could you help? Please write us.
JosephatNdibalema: Exactly Andrius i 'll do that
AndriusKulikauskas: Yes Davis so our efforts may help even a few people
and maybe more
KevinIndia: Hi Davis
AndriusKulikauskas: We can help people be in touch with their loved ones
so they are not afraid
DavisWeddi: Hi Kevin
KevinIndia: that will be the worst thing to ever happen :: imagine what
happened in Rwanda
AndriusKulikauskas: and also to be in touch with organizations so they
know who can help them :: yes
DavisWeddi: I pray it does not happen
AndriusKulikauskas: that was awful
KevinIndia: should that be the case in Kenya...?
AndriusKulikauskas: I think not yet :: but let's think how can we help?
KevinIndia: how many lives will be lost
DavisWeddi: No. African Union leaders have rushed to Nairobi today and
it seems they might have to bring warring parties to talk
Sasha: "Let me tell you this is much much bigger than Kikuyu --v- Luo."
AndriusKulikauskas: David, Kevin, what message can we send to Kenya for
distribution there in Kiswahili? :: and in Lou? :: can we make lists of
telephone numbers that people can call?
DavisWeddi: We could try to translate in Kiswahili, but the Luo language
in Kenya is a bit more complicated than the Luo Language in Uganda,
however, both sides can understand each other when they copmmunicate
Sasha: the question is , are the phones working and for ho long will
DavisWeddi: There are some numbers that are still accessible right now
:: and we could try to ask for some more from local regional mailing
KevinIndia: Andrius am sorry i didnt get your first question about
DavisWeddi: In 1999, Kenya hosted the All-Africa Peace conference. But I
do not know where that spirit vanished after the recently concluded elctions
Sasha: I think he asked what kind of iformation is important to have
translated and sent to Kenya
Maria-Agnese: Andrius i have sent you a draft...
Sasha: from reading on some blogs it seems that prices of food are
rising in Kenya
DavisWeddi: A message like "Machetes, will not solve the problems of
Kenya - There is need for dialogue instead, we need peace :: Apart form
food prices rising, the food itself is become scarce
KevinIndia: but Wendi how can that peace be restored
DavisWeddi: Kevin the peace will be restored. What is the real problem
in Kenya is how to share out the "National Cake" equally among all the
ehtnic groups of the country
Sasha: actually is there something to share?
AndriusKulikauskas: Thank you, Agnese, I have sent the letter of
DavisWeddi: Regional leaders are converging in Nairobi (Kenya's capital)
to talk out some solutions
Sasha: make the cake bigger and there will be more to share :: I think
the pople of Kenya need to tell what to do
AndriusKulikauskas: How about: "Let's help each other!"
Sasha: and what kind of help do they ned
AndriusKulikauskas: and have phone numbers :: and a phone bank :: I
think the long term hopes are good because the parliament has many
opposition members, yes? :: but what can we do in the short term? :: We
can make a list of URLs with information
DavisWeddi: Yes Andrius that would be good. But how would a person
wielding a machete take such a message?
AndriusKulikauskas: It's not for them. :: It's for the people who are
afraid. :: And for the people who are not taking action, but might want to.
Sasha: I think the fear is a big problem , people are ontroled by using fear
Sasha: fear against each other
Maria-Agnese: Tomorrow i know when i can get the warrancy for Fred visa
Sasha: and then goes the rule eye for an eye
AndriusKulikauskas: So you can talk to the refugees and see what
messages are helpful. :: and what their needs are :: for example, people
want to know that their loved ones are safe :: people don't want to be
AndriusKulikauskas: even if you go there and can't do much but just the
fact that you are there will make people feel stronger
DavisWeddi: Let me make a call to a Journalist in Mbale town right now
and hear what he has to say
AndriusKulikauskas: What practically do you think that you can do? Also,
you work in the media yes? :: ok
Ricardo: Andrius, I've started making some updates to the Purchases
page. Youmay want to take a look.
Maria-Agnese: fred are you there?
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Fred
KayiwaFred: ihave just come got ataxi quickly hi all :: its hard to travle
DavisWeddi: Sorry, the Journalist I expected to talk to was off air. So
I talked to the Resident District Commission of Uganda's Manafwa
District that border Kenya. It is from Manafwa district that most
Kenyans are enterign Uganda and going to such places as Mbale
KayiwaFred: fuel is 5times than before :: am happy weddin the guy in
media is here with us
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, that's a great start. The evaluation kit is
$975 that is expensive for now although in the future may be good. Is
there another option as we are experimenting for the Includer?
KayiwaFred: hi wendi
Sasha: terible Fred
DavisWeddi: Now, this District Commissioner tells me tonite all those
who are crossing itno Uganda will have to be registered and then ferried
to a center.
KayiwaFred: is Ricado here wow :: what achance
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred, yes thank you for introducing us to Davis (or
DavisWeddi: Yes Davis Weddi
KayiwaFred: hi maria
AndriusKulikauskas: Thank you, Davis. What do we do?
Maria-Agnese: fred the bank tell me tomorrow when i get the warraty for
visa, :: in few days
AndriusKulikauskas: Davis, please keep half of the money I sent for
yourself, and then use the other half as you think best.
DavisWeddi: Now, according to the RDC (Resident District Commissioner)
He will be able to pass on contact of the leaders of the refugees tommorrow.
Maria-Agnese: great Davis
DavisWeddi: I am sure it is from these contacts that we shall make a
AndriusKulikauskas: yes that sounds excellent
DavisWeddi: to send messages
AndriusKulikauskas: what language do most of the refugees speak?
DavisWeddi: Most if not all Kenyas speak Kiswahili
KayiwaFred: davis what do u think in nairobi there leaves alady called
frolence with her babay she called me that were there there is no food
and they lack food
DavisWeddi: It is true, that in Nairobi ther eis food scarcity and
transportation is difficult to get
AndriusKulikauskas: Agnese, have you received SMS from Kenya, is it
DavisWeddi: A reporter who lives in Nairobi had failed to file a story
today due to lack of transport
KayiwaFred: all phones i call are of exect that of frolence
Ricardo: Hi Fred, how are you?
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, also I am looking for Includer parts that
Fred and our hardware team can practice soldering together
KayiwaFred: Wo Ricado hi :: About Kenya, I bless their souls and am
grateful that some souls are at rest. :: thats message from Meadowlea
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Solanasaurus, who are you?... and where are you
from? I'm in Lithuania.
Ricardo: I just got a reply to my SMS to Sam in Rusinga Island/Mbita
western Kenya. He says - I'll send info 2moro of our condition.
AndriusKulikauskas: That's good news. I'm supposed to call him this evening.
KayiwaFred: Ricado you are doing great :: today was sending my ails from
my phone its your teach
Solanasaurus: Hello all, I am Solana. I heard about this chat on Rising
Voices mailing list and :: came to see what was going on
AndriusKulikauskas: We have Davis Weddi and Fred Kayiwa from Uganda,
Agnese from Italy, Sasha from Serbia, Ricardo from UK, Rojo from
Colombia :: today we sent 100 USD to Davis in Uganda so he could see
what he could do. :: and also to Kiyavilo in Tanzania near the border
Ricardo: Fred, that's great. We can try all sorts of other experiments
in the next few weeks and months. Was Andrius sending you a Bluetooth
dongle for PC-to-phone transfer?
KayiwaFred: not yet
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred will come to Lithuania this month :: and I
found Romas Ciupaila and Zenonas Anusauskas here who can teach him
electronics and build Includer prototypes :: so I want to buy some
Includer parts now and hopefully they will arrive in a few weeks ::
Ricardo, what kind of display could we use with the Gumstix?
Sasha: maybe we can send peacemaking literature to Kenya
KayiwaFred: great Andrius
AndriusKulikauskas: Yes, Sasha, what would you recommend? What is or was
or would be helpful in the Balkans?
KayiwaFred: Am wondering if other tribes in kenya are also invloning in
the caios tel me wendi :: hi kevin hi pam
Maria-Agnese: fred i'll contact you tomorrow
KayiwaFred: thanks maria :: ithink you will also write the invitation in
Maria-Agnese: hope that if we get your visa in time we have to use
COMMUNIA for Kenya
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Kiyavilo
Kims: /room English
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Kiyavilo
Maria-Agnese: Andrius do you plan to use Communia to present information
Kims: Hi everyone am back again
AndriusKulikauskas: I was thinking of submitting a poster proposal for
our Includer and then we could explain how it could help
Kims: Would you guys help me understand where you have ended on the
Maria-Agnese: i would like we arrange some update from the main sources
in Internet and from local source in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania
KayiwaFred: Ricado my laptop failed to use bluetooth may be ihad fake duggle
AndriusKulikauskas: Davis Weddi came from Uganda and will be able to
contact the refugee leaders in Uganda, the refugees will be registered
and taken to a facility
DavisWeddi: Hi all, I have just been talking to a friend in Nakuru. He
has just arrived here from Eldoret where he said he left 30,000 people
of the Kikuyu tribe camped in one place after they were attakced
Kims: Hello ois there someone who gets my messages
Sasha: Kims we didnt stop, its our usual practice to talk about more
thems at once :: yes We all can se your messages Kims
Sasha: Fred did you instal blue toth?
KayiwaFred: yes idid
Sasha: I wil search on material for peacefull conflict resolutions :: hm
:: are you sure you configured it good?
AndriusKulikauskas: I see, Nakuru is between Nairobi and Kisumu. Eldoret
is north of both Kisumu and Nakuru, not far from the Uganda border.
DavisWeddi: Now, The Police Commissione rof Kenya has this Evening
rushed to the Eldoret town with a number of Buses to remove these Kikuyu
people and take them back to their centrela province.
KayiwaFred: ithink so perhaps ineed to check again sasha
DavisWeddi: This source of information is ready to share some numbers to
which messages can be sent
AndriusKulikauskas: So we can post the numbers and who can call them?
Maria-Agnese: Andrius did you contact Asif ?
AndriusKulikauskas: who should call them? :: I don't have Asif's phone
number and he never replied.
KayiwaFred: GOOD work Wendi
DavisWeddi: He is called Muyela :: You too can contact him on +254 72
AndriusKulikauskas: And where is he? and how can he help?
KayiwaFred: and when we call what can we tell him?
Maria-Agnese: is better that Andrius interview him
KayiwaFred: kevin are u here
DavisWeddi: Right now, I did not ask how he can help, all he is talking
is that "we are in problems, the situation is bad," I could not talk
long with him as my line is shaky and i was missing out some words
Maria-Agnese: this contact is very important
Ricardo: Fred, I'll go through how to get Bluetooth working with you by
email in the next day or two.
KayiwaFred: Ricardo is your yahoo messanger on ?
Kims: Thanks Andrius am going to print the recomendation letter later
and use it for the project tomorow
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, this processor AT91SAM9261 is excellent
(low power and price) but I think we should start with the Gumstix ::
Davis is he in Nakuru?
Maria-Agnese: who will contact mr Muyela?
AndriusKulikauskas: I can call him no :: now
DavisWeddi: Yes he is in Nakurur right now :: I wish to leave the
cahtroom for a moment
Kims: So David where are you at the time being??
KayiwaFred: perfect ANdrius
AndriusKulikauskas: Thank you Davis for all of your help
KayiwaFred: bye davis were are u now?
AndriusKulikauskas: Davis is in Kampala, Uganda
KayiwaFred: in jinja kamapala busia were? :: u are still in kla ok perfect
Ricardo: Andrius. I think you're right. I had forgotten that the Gumstix
comes with Linux 2.6 pre-installed. That's an easy intro. If we get a
Gumstix with USB Host capability, then we can add a USB VGA Adaptor and
use any VGA Monitor for the display. There are some USB VGA adaptors on
Amazon, but we need to check the manufacturers site to ensure there's a
Linux driver before buying a particular adaptor.
AndriusKulikauskas: Ricardo, so we can use a regular computer monitor...
and also is there a nice display that you can recommend, something 5" or
7" that would work with the Gumstix?
KayiwaFred: iwish to leave bye guys thanks for your care continue with
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred, thank you for everything!
KayiwaFred: any question before i leave may be?
AndriusKulikauskas: speaking with Muyela :: people were burned in a
church at Eldoret :: he is in Nakuru :: he heard from his friends in
Eldoret :: they are not 100% safe and they are not sleeping :: they have
had tribal clashes before where they are
KayiwaFred: yes a catholic church right thats true
AndriusKulikauskas: and there are people moving from smaller towns
KayiwaFred: oh My God
AndriusKulikauskas: people are goign to the police stations and churches
:: there are shortages there is no water the hygiene is poor and there
is no food :: what kind of information would be helpful? :: most Kenyans
think that the election was fraud :: if that was corrected there
wouldn't be a problem :: and the president was not fairly elected and
sworn in with such unusual speed
KayiwaFred: then in this The likes of pam needs to intervine quickly
Sasha: sometimes th
KayiwaFred: will follow letter
AndriusKulikauskas: the majority of people think fairness was not done
Sasha: information on how to get safe water
AndriusKulikauskas: if the process is audited that will solve the problem
KayiwaFred: please wendi and all call me in any help am free all this week
AndriusKulikauskas: even the commission has stated that what they have
done has made thigns worse
AndriusKulikauskas: he is a lawyer
KayiwaFred: whats funny my nebour is a kikuyu together with his wife but
they also dont believe that this is in kenya
Sasha: same as we had in Serbia
AndriusKulikauskas: what could we do that is most useful?
Sasha: but we didnt resort to violence
AndriusKulikauskas: they need food, water, medicine :: if it goes for a
long time :: but if there is an audit then it will all solve in one day
KayiwaFred: Ithink Andrius you write to other Ngos because redcross is
aready on ground perhaps they can assist
AndriusKulikauskas: how do we find the people in government to reach?
KayiwaFred: iguess the audit wont make much diffrence since the guy is
aready sworn in
AndriusKulikauskas: the minister in charge of security :: is cruel and
the one who banned live events
KayiwaFred: Sam, david may be knows govt officials
AndriusKulikauskas: John Michuki :: should we focus on the security
forces? :: but more important is the president :: parliament will only
meet in March :: is there a media blackout :: have been warned that
people sending SMS will be arrested :: but radio and television stations
are operating but no reprorting any events live :: they need money to
call on the telpheon :: where he is there is no Internet :: SMS civil
disobedience is possible
Sasha: I dont think they can control SMS
AndriusKulikauskas: no they can't arrest everybody
Sasha: but they can probably shut it down :: tell him there is an SMS
web forum :: but its useful only to send out info
AndriusKulikauskas: He will give a list of telephone numbers next time
of people that we can call. I said that I will call or somebody else
will call. And we can post his telephone number on the Internet. :: So
that is something we can do is to make calls and send SMS messages to
keep people informed and share information and encourage civil
disobedience regarding the SMS.
Maria-Agnese: i would rather be more inform ed of ongos are doing there
:: there is somebody who is collecting this kind of information?
Sasha: I dont think it is :: its all hapening too quickly
Maria-Agnese: there are so many ngos there and international like Plan
international :: Amref :: we have to plan someting in connection with them
Sasha: ngo often seems to me like parasites enjoying themselves where
people suffer :: a page on
http://www.idealware.org/articles/peace_through_ICTs.php :: technology
for peace building
Sasha: I am out for now :: bye
AndriusKulikauskas: thank you, Sasha! :: Ricardo, I see your note on the
Ricardo: Andrius, I've got to go out now. I'll have to phone you
tomorrow. Can you email me a good time please? The Gumstix site has an
LCD Pack with a Samsung display. I'll check it out further.
AndriusKulikauskas: ok :: 12 noon your time would be good is that fine?
:: thank you so much
Ricardo: That's fine. Bye.
AndriusKulikauskas: peace :: ok I will head out now and then continue
further with next steps
:: this is a publication about the role of radio in a post conflict time
:: hi Benoit!
Benoit: Hi Maria and Andrius, I dont know if this can help but here is
the list of diplomatic missions in Keynya:
and this next one is to search where Kenya has diplomatic missions in
the world http://www2.tagish.co.uk/Links/embassy1b.nsf/launch?openform
:: I cant stay long. It is quite amasing to read the chat of today.
Maria-Agnese: this could be a starting point with ngos :: sorry i have
to stop and go home. i'll read the cht in the archive and i hope Andrius
will summarize it :: bye!
Benoit: Such activity represents the seedlings of where governance needs
to nurture and to release the help from. By Maria. Good work! :: /room
English :: Talk with you later. Salut...
Dennis: Hello all :: /msg AndriusKulikauskas
AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Dennis :: Are you writing from Kenya? Is this
Dennis Kimambo? :: Thank you for your letter to Rising Voices!
[21:20:34] Andrius Kulikauskas: Hi Serina, any news from Kenya? Do you
have Tom Ochuka's phone number. Agnese says that he was robbed. I would
like to try to call him.
[21:22:33] Serina: Hi Andrius! I believe he is using the same number
that is on the wiki. I have tried calling Kenya but the connection is so
[21:23:06] ... I was to travel but Sweden has imposed a travel ban
[21:23:33] ... many people are fleeing and the worst hit place is Eldoret
[21:23:38] Andrius Kulikauskas: Hmm, his number is not on our wiki.
[21:24:02] Serina: where people are seeking refuge in the 'Burnt Forest'
as it's called
[21:25:59] ... We need your ideas on this we alrady have the
costings with us.
[21:26:14] ... the number is there...just found it
[21:27:56] ... it was among the earlier correspondence...sorry it was
[21:28:18] Andrius Kulikauskas: ideas on which?
[21:29:13] ... We had a good chat today and my thought is to focus on
encouraging dialogue with members and leaders of the Party of National
Unity so that they would encourage the President to call for an audit of
the election results.
[21:29:26] ... because that would stop everything right away
[21:29:39] ... and it would overcome the hatred if we reach out to that
[21:29:50] ... so we need to find as many people there as possible
[21:30:44] Serina: the commisioner in charge of elections has admitted
he was pressurized to announce the results and he is not sure whether
the president was the winner
[21:30:54] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
[21:30:58] Serina: so that is a breakthrough in itself
[21:31:09] Andrius Kulikauskas: but now it's a matter of "looking from
your opponents point of view"
[21:31:18] ... looking from the President's point of view is the key
[21:31:27] ... how can he be reached?
[21:31:31] ... best by his own party
[21:31:38] Serina: even if he opens parliament, the first issue will be
a vote of no confidence then the elections have to be carried out again
[21:31:50] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
[21:31:53] Serina: i haven't the slightest clue
[21:32:08] ... he has been very quiet on the whole issue
[21:32:11] Andrius Kulikauskas: do you know any party members?
[21:32:24] ... we can encourage such phone calls to party members
[21:32:31] ... and ask them to request an audit
[21:32:41] ... for the sake of the party
[21:32:48] ... and all of Kenya
[21:33:30] ... The opposition won a majority in parliament, yes?
[21:33:33] Serina: It's difficult to know among the ordinary people but
kenyan bloggers are writing open letters
[21:34:24] ... thats what the people demand hence the chaos
[21:34:44] Andrius Kulikauskas: so it's important to look at the
opponent's point of view
[21:35:14] Serina: everyone should have their say
[21:36:22] ... we are open minded
[21:36:28] ... to dialogue
[21:38:43] ... exuse me
[21:40:40] ... Have to go now