Re: [Synoptic-L] Some on-line items of interest - Farrer]
Code is perhaps not the right word. It is a simple way of referring to the
sacred writings. It isn´t rare, but common.
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From: "John C. Poirier" <poirier@...>
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Subject: Re: [Synoptic-L] Some on-line items of interest - Farrer]
> Karel Hanhart wrote:
> >Leonard, I, for one, find it odd that you appear to be unacquainted with
> >first century method of referring to passages in Tenach. This is always
> >through key terms. If Mark, for instance, writes "when you see to
> >tes eremoseos'" (13,14) his readers knew he was citing Dan 9,27.
> >First century authors didnot have footnotes or notes in the margin but
> >audience or at least - in the case of the ecclesia -, the presbyter would
> >in a position to explain the text in the light of Daniel.
> >This practice was essential because communication was very expansive at
> Yes, Karel, this is one of the ways in which passages were evoked, but
> isn't this very different from your proposal that "the Creed originally
> was a booklist of received documents"?
> I also don't see a parallel between your reading of the Apostles' Creed
> and Jesus' words in Mark 13:14. When Jesus refers to a reference in Dan
> 9:27, he obviously has that referent in mind, and the fact that
> listeners/readers will know that the reference is from Daniel serves to
> authorize the point, among other things, but in no way is Jesus
> referring to a passage from Daniel for the sake of naming the book of
> My memory is fuzzy right now, but I think I *do* remember codewords
> being used, somewhere in rabbinic writings, to refer to books of the
> Hebrew Bible in a way like you suggest. But this is certainly rare, and
> is at any rate very different from what you are calling the "first century
> method of referring to passages in Tenach". They are simply two
> different things. When the rabbis referred elliptically to two or three
> words in a passage, their point was to bring that passage into the
> argument. It was not to identify (or itemize) the book as such.
> John C. Poirier
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