Re: [Synoptic-L] GTh 19b and the Synoptics
- --- "John C. Poirier" <poirier@...> wrote:
> John,Hi John:
> There's a lot in your message that I don't
> First, are you saying that the author of GTh 19b
> thinks that Jesus'
> words are energized by daimons/demons?
No. The author of GTh is an Epicuran who did not
believe in spirits, but rather, borrows the idea in
order to poke jest at it. The inuendo of Jesus being
possessed by Beelzebub was to play into the hands of
those who did believe in spirits so that they could
argue Jesus was possessed by him.
> Second, what is the exegetical basis for supposingThe basis of the exegesis on GTh is on the Jewish
> that the verse is
> about daimons/demons? Is it just because the idea
> of animated stones is
assimilation of the concept of diamon into their
theology, something well attested to and written
about. See, for example, John L. McKenzie, SJ,
"Demons, Demonolgy" 3. ff in Dictionary of the Bible
(NY, London, 1965):193-4.
> Third, since the Jewish and Christian version ofNo, since they were Epicurean Saddukaioi = Tzaddikim =
> this platonic gesture
> employed angels (as mediators of prayers and
> prophecy) rather than the
> daimons of Plato, wouldn't it make sense to suppose
> that GThomas would
> think in these terms as well?
�the upright or righteous men� the chief Kohanim in
the Jerusalem Temple.
The second oracle of Habakkuk (c. 597 BC) A TZADDIK
shall live by his faith, (Habakkuk 2:4). Tzaddik [also
spelled tsaddik or tsaddiq] is both and adjective
(righteous) and a noun (one who is just).
They did not believe in spirits and as I have said
used this a ploy to assert ridicule and instigate
support from those who did believe in spirits that
Jesus was possessed.
John N. Lupia, III
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