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Re: [Synoptic-L] A self-contradiction re Q and Matthew?

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  • Stephen C. Carlson
    ... Parker is a maverick by being the one of the only people who believe in Q but not (pure) Markan priority. Parker s list of characteristic expressions in Q
    Message 1 of 8 , Oct 3, 2002
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      At 06:05 PM 10/3/02 +0100, Ron Price wrote:
      > Unfortunately my local university library doesn't have a copy of this
      >so I can't comment on Parker's list. I do note, however, that none of my
      >recently published books on Q from a 2SH perspective (Tuckett (1996),
      >Allison (1997) Kloppenborg (2000)) refers to Parker (1953). Perhaps
      >current Q specialists realize they're onto a loser trying to isolate Q's
      >distinctiveness from Matthew. ;-)

      Parker is a maverick by being the one of the only people who
      believe in Q but not (pure) Markan priority.

      Parker's list of characteristic expressions in Q includes:
      AGAQOS, ACIOS, APOKALUPTW, ARA, BEELEBOUL, GENEA, DENDRON,
      DOKOS, DOULOS, EKBALLW EN, ECERXOMAI + purpose clause,
      ERW fut. indic., ESQIW ... PINW, ESOMAI, hETEROS, hCW fut.,
      QERIZW, QHSAUROS, IDOU, KARPON POIEIN, KARFOS, MAKARIOS,
      MERIMNAW, hO in attrac. constr. followed by noun, OUAI,
      OURANOS KAI GH, PETEINON, PLEION, PLHN, PONHROS adj., SWMA,
      and hUPO + acc.

      Later in life, he replaced Q with a Proto-Luke.

      J.C.Hawkins admitted his not finding any distinctive expressions
      in Q.

      Stephen
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    • Ron Price
      ... Stephen, It may be that material assigned to Q has a bigger proportion of the above expressions than Matthew, but I don t think that s very significant. By
      Message 2 of 8 , Oct 4, 2002
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        Stephen Carlson wrote:

        >Parker's list of characteristic expressions in Q includes:
        >AGAQOS, ACIOS, APOKALUPTW, ARA, BEELEBOUL, GENEA, DENDRON,
        >DOKOS, DOULOS, EKBALLW EN, ECERXOMAI + purpose clause,
        >ERW fut. indic., ESQIW ... PINW, ESOMAI, hETEROS, hCW fut.,
        >QERIZW, QHSAUROS, IDOU, KARPON POIEIN, KARFOS, MAKARIOS,
        >MERIMNAW, hO in attrac. constr. followed by noun, OUAI,
        >OURANOS KAI GH, PETEINON, PLEION, PLHN, PONHROS adj., SWMA,
        >and hUPO + acc.

        Stephen,

        It may be that material assigned to Q has a bigger proportion of the
        above expressions than Matthew, but I don't think that's very
        significant. By chance we would expect many such expressions. I think
        the 2SH might reasonably be expected to predict the presence of
        expressions in Q which are not elsewhere in Matthew.

        >J.C.Hawkins admitted his not finding any distinctive expressions
        >in Q.

        I rest my case. Q (unlike sQ) is not distinctive, therefore Q (unlike
        sQ) is not credible.

        Ron Price

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