Re: [Synoptic-L] Scrolls of Paul's letters or synoptic gospels?
> From: Brian E. Wilson <brian@...>...
> To: Synoptic-L@...
> Subject: [Synoptic-L] Scrolls of Paul's letters or synoptic gospels?
> Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:56 PM
> It seems we agree that the early Christian theology of the JewishBrian,
> refugees who fled for their lives to Antioch in Syria around AD 36/37
> had something to do with a very strong belief about Jesus who had been
> crucified and who is nevertheless proclaimed as Lord, this resulting in
> the start of the Greek-speaking Gentile Christian movement spreading out
> from Antioch in Syria.
First of all, around AD 36/37, Jewish refugees, early members of the Jesus
movement, fled from Jerusalem to all kinds of places, and not only to
Antioch. Let's not oversimplify these things. I don't see why Antioch
should be so privileged in this respect.
Secondly, from the point of view of timing, and of various other things,
the start of the Greek-speaking Gentile Christian movement remains highly
problematic. We've already been through a discussion of the problem of
godfearers, and this discussion continued for a while also on Loisy List
where additional material was presented. The biggest outstanding questions
- To what extent the laws of Moses (Jewish halachic laws) were obligatory
for all Gentile converts to Judaism in 1st century? Which laws? Were there
significant regional and local variations?
- When exactly the laws of Moses started to be seen as irrelevant for
Christians? And again, which laws, and were there significant regional and
Simply to assume that it all happened in Antioch, and ca AD 36/37
would be quite baseless, and cannot be considered as serious historical
So the only thing that we appear to agree on so far is that all early
members of the Jesus movement had a very strong belief about Jesus who had
been crucified and who was nevertheless proclaimed as Lord. For my own
part, I doubt that the laws of Moses started to be seen as generally
irrelevant for Christians much before 100.
Yuri Kuchinsky | Toronto | http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/bbl/bbl.htm
Biblical history list http://www.egroups.com/group/loisy - unmoderated
The goal proposed by Cynic philosophy is apathy, which is
equivalent to becoming God -=O=- Julian
- This discussion of whether New Testament documents were written on scrolls
or codices has gone on for a long time (among a small number of
participants). Most of us have lost track of the significance of the
discussion for understanding the synoptic gospels. It seems to me that
exchanges such as the one below are becoming more frequent in this thread
and add little of substance to our work together.
I'd like to remind you of our purpose. "Synoptic-L is an academic list
devoted to scholarly discussion of the Synoptic Gospels. Its purpose is to
provide a forum for questions relating to the exegesis of Matthew, Mark and
/ or Luke, using and analysing the standard critical tools and methods,
with a special emphasis on the interrelationships among the Synoptics."
While I agree with Mark Goodacre that we often need to "lighten up a bit"
and not take ourselves too seriously, and while I certainly think that a
little banter now and then is a good thing, there comes a point when we
need to recognize, especially in a thread that has gone on this long, that
one should ask, "do my comments here make a serious contribution to the
ongoing discussion for which this list has been created?" Remember that you
are asking hundreds of colleagues to devote some their time to reading what
you have written.
I'd like to ask that colleagues pause a moment before "firing off"
responses such as these, perhaps to raise the kind of questions that I do
Thomas R. W. Longstaff
Crawford Family Professor of Religious Studies
Colby College, Waterville, ME 04901 USA
Member of the Advisory Committee of Synoptic-L
At 06:21 PM 5/19/00 +0100, Jacob Knee wrote:
>I hypothesize that Philemon was written on a roll. Which fact disconfirms
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-synoptic-l@... [mailto:owner-synoptic-l@...]On
> > Behalf Of Brian E. Wilson
> > Sent: 19 May 2000 11:29
> > To: Synoptic-L@...
> > Subject: [Synoptic-L] Philemon
> > You also state that "the burden of proof is on the one with the
> > extraordinary hypothesis to come up with the clear and convincing
> > evidence". I think this is the most revealing statement you make. There
> > is no burden of proof on anyone. Proof enters nowhere whatsoever into
> > this matter. The idea that Paul wrote Philemon on a codex is a
> > **hypothesis**. If you want to shoot down a hypothesis there is one, and
> > only one way of doing so. That is to point to an observed phenomenon
> > which is a difficulty for the hypothesis. I am still waiting for you to
> > point to such an observed phenomenon.
> > Best wishes,
> > BRIAN WILSON