Re: [Synoptic-L] Godfearers, the Aphrodisas Inscription, and Josephus
- Dear Synoptic-L members,
In my view, this whole subject of the Godfearers is extremely important for
understanding early Christianity, and the historical circumstances under
which the Synoptic gospels were written. I don't think the Synoptic problem
can be solved without factoring in this background.
If, as I think, all earliest Christians were religious Jews, and kept
Torah-obedience to a large extent, they could not have given up their
customs and core beliefs so easily and so quickly. From this it follows
that all early versions of the Synoptics were probably written by religious
Jews. From this it follows that Mk, being in its present form so un-Jewish
in many respects, simply could not be the earliest gospel. And hence, the
search for proto-Mk.
The big misconception in this area is the idea that Judaism 2000 years ago
was more or less the same as it is today. But substantial evidence
indicates that it was different, and a lot more open to outsiders. Hence
the importance of understanding the term Godfearers.
> From: Jeffrey B. Gibson <jgibson000@...>Josephus
> Cc: Synoptic-L <Synoptic-L@...>
> Subject: [Synoptic-L] Godfearers, the Aphrodisas Inscription, and
> Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 3:36 PMYes, that's correct.
> Further in the exchange between Yuri and myself on the validity of his
> claim regarding how late EC opened to the Gentiles qua Gentiles, Yuri
> produced an argument that amounted to noting
> (a) that there **were** Gentiles in the early church, namely, (and,
> apparently, **only**) the "God fearers" (of whom Yuri thinks there
> were many),
> (b) that since these were Gentiles who were were more or less Jews, or
> who were willing eventually to become Jews, we should then not take
> the presence of these Gentiles within the church as indicating an
> early openness on the part of the early church to accepting Gentiles
> who maintained Gentile identity.
> THAT, according to Yuri, is something that didn't happen (andYes.
> something the "evidence" does not indicate as having happened) until
> at least CE 100..
> I countered by noting that evidence brought forth by Krabel ( in hisHow is my report inaccurate?
> "The Disappearance of the God Fearers", 1981) in his examination of
> the Synagogue sites at Dura Europas, Sardis, Priene, Delos, Stobi, and
> Ostia, and by Murphy O'Connor in his examination of the non Lukan
> instances and the meanings therein of the the term (QEOSEBHS) that
> Luke used of Gentiles who have attached themselves to syagogues
> (particularly the inscription at Aphrodisias), strongly indicates that
> the existence of this group is most likely a Lukan construct having no
> basis in reality.
> Yuri has since responded as follows:
> > So let's see what the Aprhodisias Inscription actually says. > > A
> monumental marble inscription in Greek, dates to approximately 210 CE.
> It > records the names of over 126 individuals who built a community
> canteen to > assist the poor. Of the 126 names preserved, 72 are
> Jewish, and 54 are > described as theosebeis, or Godfearers. Nearly
> all of these 54 have Gentile > names, so are clearly not Jews by
> birth. > > So which part of this evidence exactly presents problems? >
> > Also, how about the fact that Josephus says, > > "...the masses have
> long since shown much zeal to adopt our religious > observances; and
> there is not one city, Greek or barbarian, ...to which our > customs
> have not spread." (Contra Apion 2.282). >
> Well, a couple of reactions.
> I find it curious, Yuri, that in your call to look at what the A
> inscription actually says, you produce a report of what it is reputed
> to say, not the inscription itself. And a report of what it says
> always leaves open the possibility of how accurate the report is.
> More importantly, there's noting -- even in your report of what theAll these are natural inferences from the inscription.
> inscription says -- that indicates that those Gentiles who are called
> QEOBESHS are proselytes, let alone attracted to Judaism in any way
> and/or attached to a Synagogue. Nor is there anything that indicates
> that they were regarded **by the Jews** mentioned in the inscription
> as anything but Gentiles.
> Indeed, nine of the Gentile names in theThis reasoning is problematic. If they are members of the Aphrodisaia city
> inscription are members of the Aphrodisaia city counsel and therefore
> were full scale and voluntary participants at the time they are
> mentioned as QEOBESHS in the pagan city cult. So this does not give
> much credence to the idea that one who was a God fearer was almost a
> Jew or would have been by recognized by Jews as such.
counsel does this really mean that they cannot be associated with the
synagogue? So since they appear on the synagogue inscription, and are
described as Godfearers, this means that they are not Godfearers?
Another more logical conclusion from above evidence may be that members of
the Aphrodisaia city counsel had no problem combining their membership in
the synagogue with being members of the Aphrodisaia city counsel. In other
words, Judaism in that particular time and place was less rigid about such
It is a common misconception to make ancient Hellenistic Judaism rigid,
exclusionary, and uninviting to outsiders. The truth was different.
> You seem, too, to play down the fact, noted accurately in the reportBut "Godfearers" seems to imply much more than merely a sense of civic
> that the inscription was placed not at the entrance of a synagogue,
> but of a soup kitchen. And as O'Connor notes, "such a building met a
> social need to which it would have been perfectly natural for Gentiles
> with a sense of **civic** [my emphasis] to subscribe because it
> benefited the city and not merely the Jewish community".
> Accordingly, within the A inscription the title QEOSEBHS should not beBut that's the most obvious meaning.
> taken as an indication of the existence of groups of Gentiles who had
> attached themselves to synagogues
> and were regarded by the Jews of that synagogue as no longer Gentiles,Nobody said "they were no longer Gentiles". They were Gentile Godfearers.
> let alone that those Gentiles who bore the title regarded themselves
> as such.
This means something between Gentiles and Jews.
> It is simply a compliment on the part of Jews to the moral characterThat's your interpretation, but I see it as too narrow.
> of the donors. And indeed, there is no indication that it meant
> anything more than Gentiles who were friendly to Jews as fellow
> So, to answer your question, all of the evidence from the A inscriptionI don't see it.
> presents problems for your position.
> Now as to Joesphus: Given what is known about his notorious propensityIncorrect. Perhaps it has, but it's simply unknown to you?
> to exaggerate AND the fact that the text you appeal to not only has no
> independent attestation,
> but is part of an apologia, do you -- competent historian that youYes.
> are, and one who always is reminding us of how we need to be mindful
> of the TENDENZ of ancient authors -- really think that what Josephus
> says is to be trusted?
> In any case, even if what he reports as true is true (and I doubt thatWhere's there a problem with translation?
> this Whiston translation reflects accurately Jospehus' Greek),
> does your conclusion that the only Gentiles to whom the early churchThe meaning of this word is also confirmed by Julian, as I recall.
> preached or accepted within their fold were Gentiles who had adopted
> religious observances, let alone that he regarded them as QEOBESOI
> even assuming that that term had the technical meaning it reputedly
> had, actually follow? Hardly.
> In the absence of evidence that outside of Luke's usage QEOBESHWhat about Julian?
> **had** the technical meaning you think
> it has AND, notably, the absence of this term in the Josephan text youSo what about the quotations from Seneca as found in Augustine?
> refer to, it should not automatically be assumed that the Gentiles
> Josephus speaks of here are the same as the Gentiles to whom Luke
> refers as QEOBESOI. Indeed, using the scientific historical principles
> that you espouse, it would seem that the most that the Josephus text
> warrants being said about the Gentiles that it mentions is that they
> were Gentiles who adopted some practices associated with Judaism. But
> since the practices ("observances") that Josephus mentions are not
> spelled out in any detail, it is going far beyond the evidence to
> claim that the text is speaking about Gentiles who have attached
> themselves to Synagogues or who have all but given up their Gentile
> identity or who are being recognized by Jews as Jews.
Augustine, The City of God BOOK 6 CHAP. 11
When he (Seneca) was speaking concerning those Jews, he said, "When,
meanwhile, the customs of that most accursed nation have gained such
strength that they have been now received in all lands, the conquered have
given laws to the conquerors." .. "For," he says, "those, however, know
the cause of their rites, whilst the greater part of the people [implying
clearly the Gentile Godfearers -- YK] know not why they perform theirs."
The above quotation indicates almost the same as what Josephus says, i.e.
that lots of Gentiles are associating themselves with synagogues while
being perhaps quite naive and ill-educated. And yet Judaism presents a
strong appeal even to these kinds of people, who -- on the standard, and
misguided, view -- are seen as attracted especially to Christianity. Well,
now it seems like they were just as attracted to Judaism! So the
attraction of Judaism then was similar to that of Christianity. Or so it
seems to me.
So what kind of a TENDENZ does Seneca have in this passage? The same as
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