Re: [Synoptic-L] early version of Transfiguration?
> From: L. J. Swain <x99swain@...>argued
> To: yuku@...
> Cc: Synoptic-L@...; Loisy List <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Subject: Re: [Synoptic-L] early version of Transfiguration?
> Date: Monday, March 13, 2000 6:10 PM
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> > This is in reply to some of the questions asked by Larry Swain.
> > Yes, the Pepysian Harmony does demonstrate many early features, as
> > e.g. by both Petersen and Boismard.trying
> At this point I'm not even disagreeing with your suggestion so much as
> to get you to do some of the basic groundwork. Ok, Petersen and Boismardhave
> argued that PH demonstrates many early features. What are thosefeatures?
> How important are they?Great many early readings, Larry. Possibly pre-canonic.
> Where did they come from--that is, did they come fromSome early source.
> the source of this manuscript, or from some other source?
> How did youI think they've done a competent job.
> determine this? Did Petersen and Boismard do their homework? Did they
> overlook something? Or put too much weight on something?
> And then one mustis it
> needs move beyond discussing the manuscript to discussing this saying:
> likely to have been a preservation from a very early reading? Why? Whynot?
> How do you answer the negatives?The saying has an early feeling about it. Of course to demonsrate that it's
early, more work needs to be done, such as comparing the passage with other
early harmonies of which there are many.
> > As to the textual family of this harmony, it is quite a unique text.It's
> > dated paleographically to ca 1400. Only one copy of it exists. It iscertain.
> > believed to have been translated from the French, but this is not
> > No such French text is known to exist.Incorrect, Larry. It shows an affinity with Justin's harmony.
> So a unique text, that doesn't show any real attachment to any known text
> family of a harmony
> shows up about 1400 and purportedly has more originalThat's what Petersen and Boismard argue.
> material than manuscripts that are very early?
> Possible, its been known tosupporting
> happen, but just on the surface it does stretch credulity without
> argumentation.They provide abundant argumentation.
> So even if no French exemplar exists can it be traced a stepMost likely a Latin source stands behind it. But, as I say, PH shows clear
> further back to a Latin source?
affinities with Justin's harmony and some other primitive harmonies, such
as Liege and Venetian. See Boismard, p. 66.
> > Boismard has identified a number of parallels between PH and certainby
> > pre-Diatesaronic harmonistic texts such as that mysterious harmony used
> > Justin.have
> Which pre-Diastersaronic texts? Could the parallels with Justin actually
> Justin as the source? Why not? Some other intermediate source?As Tatian was a student of Justin, Justin's harmony most likely provided
the basis for Tatian's Diatessaron.
> > Very little scholarship on PH has been done. Until recently this texthas
> > been mostly neglected by textual scholars. In fact the ms had beenby a
> > erroneously catalogued and its unusual contents were first discovered
> > researcher in Cambridge only in 1902.is
> Not the first time this has happened to a manuscript. Ok, so the field
> wide open on this one, or close to it anyway. Sounds like a lot ofground
> work yet needs to be done before drawing conclusions that the manuscriptA lot of work has already been done, but a lot more also needs to be done.
> contains original material or better readings than other manuscripts.
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- Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> > So a unique text, that doesn't show any real attachment to any known textUm, pardon my ignorance, but do we actually **have** Justin's Harmony? And if
> > family of a harmony
> Incorrect, Larry. It shows an affinity with Justin's harmony.
we don't, how can the claim be made that the Harmony you speak of has an
affinity with it?
> > shows up about 1400 and purportedly has more originalI'd like to check this. May we have a citation from their works where they
> > material than manuscripts that are very early?
> That's what Petersen and Boismard argue.
argue this, please?
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