Re: [Synoptic-L] Christmas
- Indeed. It might also be that for such details as "born of a woman" one
need not look for close literary dependence.
At 07:29 AM 12/10/99 -0600, Jeffrey B. Gibson wrote:
>"Brian E. Wilson" wrote:
> > Do the letters of Paul in the NT indicate that Paul knew the Christmas
> > stories we find in Mt 1-2 and Lk 1-2 ?
>Off the top of my head, no. So far as I can recall without doing any
>checking is that all Paul says is that is materially in any way parallel
>to anything in the infancy narratives of Matt and Lk is that Jesus was
>born of a woman, born under the Law -- that is to say that he knows Jesus
>was a Jew. For a source for this, the traditions in Mk 3 and Mk 6 serve
>just as well.
>Jeffrey B. Gibson
>7423 N. Sheridan Road #2A
>Chicago, Illinois 60626
- To: Mark Preece,
<< The author seems to be going to some lengths to establish that this all
happens in a very compressed period of time -- in fact, on a single day. In
light of this, is it really plausible to think "DE" ("then he led them
out...") means anything other than "very soon thereafter"? Certainly not
"many days later". >>
The issue as I see it is whether one is going to accuse Luke here of
inconsistency (and I have no problem with doing that) or impression. My
suggestion is not that DE means "many days later," only that it means
"but/and/then" and that Luke could have used it merely to imply that this
event recorded in Lk 24:50 also took place. It seems to me that to be fair
the charge of inconsistency demands a higher threshold than the accusation
of impression (or ambiguity). Then, after you accuse Luke of inconsistency,
you seem to want to suggest that Luke didn't care for historical details.
Frankly, an ambiguous example as this simply can't prove such a conclusion.
Your example would carry more weight if Luke had written, "and on this day"
(or some such). But he didn't, all Luke wrote was "and" (DE).
Unfortunately, the Greek particle DE doesn't tell us when.
Also, I find it kind of ironic that one can suggest that Luke might not be
concerned with historical details in light of such passages as Lk 1:1-4;
2:1-2; and 3:23-38. Now here is a guy (and I assume that the author of
Luke's gospel was male) who attempts to record Jesus' genealogy from his
papa and grand-papa, all the way back, generation by generation, to Adam
and ultimately to God! He obviously cares for such details, or he wouldn't
have put them into his gospel.
-Steven Craig Miller
Alton, Illinois (USA)
Disclaimer: "I'm just a simple house-husband (with no post-grad degree),
what do I know?"