Re: alternative views of Gospel origins
- On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 Maluflen@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/25/1999 9:55:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,Dear Leonard,
> yuku@... writes:
> Have you read Koester, Leonard? It doesn't seem so, since his analysis of
> pMk is anything but "gratuitous".
> No, Yuri, I must confess I have read very little of Koester. I have
> run into the man casually at Harvard a couple of times, and he seems
> like a really nice gentleman. I assume you mean something other than
> his 2 volume NT Introduction, or does that include good sections on
> his Synoptic theory as well? In any case, please tell me again the
> work of his I should start with, and I will forthwith place it on my
> urgent "to do" list.
Sorry for late reply. I've been busy with other things of late.
A good volume to look up is ANCIENT CHRISTIAN GOSPELS by Koester. He deals
with pMk in some detail there, and provides many refs. But he's very
technical in this book, never taking it beyond text-criticism. What he
fails to provide is a historical background for these textual
developments. For this, I would recommend Alfred Loisy's books, especially
Loisy, Alfred Firmin, 1857-1940. The birth of the Christian religion =
(La naissance du Christianisme). London: G. Allen & Unwin. 1948.
Loisy, Alfred Firmin, 1857-1940. The Origins of the New Testament.
London: G. Allen and Unwin. 1950.
Basically, Koester is saying the same things as Loisy said, although I've
never seen a reference to Loisy in Koester. (Which I find a little
From what I know, Loisy was never too popular among German scholars. I
guess their Protentantism may have come in the way of their appreciating
his points of view, among other things. Loisy was quite critical of
Protestant scholars' views (not less than he was critical of Catholics.)
So Koester may have acquired these views via Bultmann (who was very
appreciative of Loisy).
> My own impression of Mark's Gospel, though, is that it is quiteI see what you mean...
> homogeneous, and from this fact I have drawn the (hasty?) conclusion
> that if there are sections in Mk that are clearly late, then the
> Gospel is clearly late.
> I wonder if a pMk would ever have been hypothesized if Matt and LkDifficult to say.
> never existed?
> Perhaps I will learn wise answers to these questions by workingAre you referring to one of the above?
> through your reading list. I do, by the way, have a copy of the book
> you always quote from by A. Loisy. I found it some years ago in a
> second-hand bookstore. It is certainly interesting, but I haven't got
> through the whole thing yet either. It contains quite a bit of detail,
Yuri Kuchinsky || Toronto
The goal proposed by Cynic philosophy is apathy, which is
equivalent to becoming God -=O=- Julian