Re: [Fwd: EBRAIDI DIALEKTW]
- On NOV 22, Larry Swain wrote, in response to Jack Kilmon:
> > I think it is very possible that the Matthean scribe wrote his gospelLARRY:
> > in response to the institution of the Birkhat haMinim in 85CE.
> I have some problems with this. The Birkhat haMinim issued from Javneh,I, too, have problems with this. It is even more popular to apply to
> a body which more school than court or authoritative body issuing
> commands that Judaism(s) then followed and cast out anyone claiming to
> be Christian, and the other 23 classes of Minim. I have some
> interesting bibliography on this somewhere if you're interested.
the gospel of John, with its "aposunagoges" in John 9. J. Louis
Martyn made this the cornerstone of his two-level reading in History
and Theology in the Fourth Gospel, a very important book. One
problem, as Larry notes, is that it is very unlikely that the council
and Javneh (Jamnia) would have issued authoritative pronouncements,
especially so early in the development of rabbinic judaism (remember,
this is the reconstruction of judaism from pharisaism, after the
destruction of the temple). But just as important is the evidence
that there was, in fact, early evidence of jewish opposition to the
church --- unless we completely discount Acts and the story of Paul
before his conversion, or the accounts of Paul's encounters in his
missions. So opposition to the church from some jewish quarters
apparently began early. We don't need the birkhat ha minim, which
may not have been extensively used, and may never have intended to
single out christians, as the precipitating cause of an anti-jewish
backlash in the gospels.
> > The only problem I have with this paradigm for the LOGIA isLARRY:
> > that it does NOT read LOGOI so it may instead refer to a
> > primitive Aramaic written narrative. This is where Papias'
> > association or participation in 4G intrigues me since I am
> > convinced that a primitive Aramaic narrative lies imbedded
> > in 4G..a "proto-John/Signs" gospel, if you will. I have been
> > working on extracting that primitive "core" of 4G and
> > retroverting it to Aramaic to look for tell-tale patterns.
> > Could "proto-John" have been Papias' "LOGIA?"
> Well, it would be interesting to look at the reconstructions of theI think you will find few connections with M. But you will find
> "signs gospel" and proto-John and see what comparisons can be made to
extensive connections between the signs gospel and Luke.
Mark A. Matson, Ph.D.
Asst. Director, Sanford Institute of Public Policy
Adjunct Professor of New Testament
Durham, NC 27713