3709Re: [Synoptic-L] Re: The Four-gospel-collection
- Feb 5, 2000ll wrote:
>Louis Lomasky (11) commented:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> > And further on in your [K.H.] message you seemed to assume that there was an
> > earlier pre-70 passover haggadah before Mk was written. But this
> > assumption is not so common among scholars.
> This is also a rather difficult assertion to maintain considering the factI am using the term Passover Haggadah rather broadly. I agree that the
> that there is virtually no evidence for the existence of codified
> written haggados before the Mishnah was written. I believe that the
> earliest we have is from the Gaonic Era from Sa'adia.
> 'Twould be an unexpected innovation for Mark to be writing haggados before
> the destruction of the Temple. With a central meeting place established
> and a standard order well in place there would be little need for written
> documents telling one how to lead a seder.
written Seder, as we have it. Mark's haggadah is certainly not like the
Seder we all know. However, the written Seder is rather late but it must
have had old roots long Before the Common Era.
David Daube rightly, I think, complained already in '58 of the "cool
reception" his proposal received to follow what he termed "some
desirable lines of exploration of the Gospels". He described the
parallel structure of the order of the questions put to Jesus on the
Temple Square and the order the questions by the wise son (chakham)
asking about the Law; the wicked one (rasha') who asks to jeer; the
simple one (tam) "asking for plain guidance" and the one who doesnot
know how to ask questions" (she'eno yodhe'a lish'ol). In the Seder the
person presiding himself poses the question in place of this last son.
So does Jesus On the Temple square. Daube opts for a very early
tradition (40 CE?) within christian circles, which Mark used (no
'euthus' here and the verb "to dare" (12,34b) lacking in Matthew. Note
also the 'tribute to Caesar' question posed by some of the Herodians and
Pharisees 12,13, cf 3,6).
Yurinski wrote also:
... 2. The counting from the Sunday after Passover. According to
> > Sadducees (Boethusians), Zadokites, Samaritans, and Karaites preferred toLouis L commented:
> > follow this practice. Goudoever sees this as the more traditionalist
> > Jewish practice.
> It is odd that he mentioned Karaites as they did not come into existenceVan Goudoever was well aware of the phenomenon of the Karaites "probably
> until centuries after the destruction of the Second Temple. Whether it is
> more traditionalist is another matter.
in the ninth century" (see his Biblical Calendars, p 22)
Re. your interesting observations on Sukkoth, plesse consider my
comments to John Poirier which also deals with your research.
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