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  • Bill Kearney
    Hmmm, In doing a little digging I came across the tag. Perhaps this might be an interesting way to get information about a feed into a web page? The
    Message 1 of 6 , Oct 5, 2001
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      Hmmm,

      In doing a little digging I came across the <link> tag. Perhaps this
      might be an interesting way to get information about a feed into a
      web page?

      The link tag is supposed to support tags for movement relative to the
      current page. At least that's one of it's purposes. I've included
      some links about it.

      http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML3.2/5.36.html
      http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/head/link.html

      List of link rel tags:
      http://fantasai.tripod.com/qref/Appendix/LinkTypes/alphindex.html
      http://fantasai.tripod.com/qref/Appendix/LinkTypes/ltdef.html#meta

      If we're going to advance the connection between what current browser
      support and feeds, we should probably look into what their current
      environments best support.

      If folks are going to put an [XML] button on their page, how about
      embedding some meta-data in that? How about an HREF for the main
      feed? And if someone's going to use it on an individual item then
      how about an HREF that points to it's XML source?

      Getting folks to agree to adding something MORE to their web pages
      isn't a trivial endeavor. We might as well have something well
      thought out.

      Comments?

      -Bill Kearney
    • Chris Croome
      Hi ... Yes, I ve been using this for links to RDF metadata [1]: Something like
      Message 2 of 6 , Oct 5, 2001
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        Hi

        On Fri 05-Oct-2001 at 05:37:24PM -0000, Bill Kearney wrote:
        >
        > In doing a little digging I came across the <link> tag. Perhaps this
        > might be an interesting way to get information about a feed into a
        > web page?

        Yes, I've been using this for links to RDF metadata [1]:

        <link rel="meta" href="dc.rdf" type="application/xml"
        title="DC RDF Metadata" />

        Something like this would do the job for RSS I guess:

        <link rel="rss" href="rss090headline.rdf" type="application/xml"
        title="RSS 0.9 Headlines" />

        <link rel="rss" href="rss091headline.rdf" type="application/xml"
        title="RSS 0.91 Headlines" />

        <link rel="rss" href="rss100headline.rdf" type="application/xml"
        title="RSS 1.0 Headlines" />


        Chris


        [1] http://mkdoc.com/

        --
        Chris Croome
        http://mkdoc.com/
        http://www.webarchitects.co.uk/
      • Bill Kearney
        ... The only downside is abusing the REL attribute on the link tag. There s actually quite a few things that are supported as REL attributes. Quite a lot more
        Message 3 of 6 , Oct 5, 2001
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          > Something like this would do the job for RSS I guess:
          > <link rel="rss" href="rss090headline.rdf" type="application/xml"
          > title="RSS 0.9 Headlines" />

          The only downside is abusing the REL attribute on the link tag.
          There's actually quite a few things that are supported as REL
          attributes. Quite a lot more than I expected. I have no idea what
          supports them or how well.

          I'm asking folks to chime in here. I don't know all there is about
          meta and link tags.

          I'm just asking about getting something put into pages that helps
          browsers determine there's XML feed material available. Cross-domain
          access is an issue but it's surmountable with signed code.

          -Bill Kearney
        • Aaron Swartz
          ... iCab supports it: http://www.useit.com/papers/icab.html -- Aaron Swartz | ...schoolyard subversion... |
          Message 4 of 6 , Oct 5, 2001
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            On Friday, October 5, 2001, at 04:28 PM, Bill Kearney wrote:

            > I'm asking folks to chime in here. I don't know all there is about
            > meta and link tags.

            iCab supports it:

            http://www.useit.com/papers/icab.html


            --
            "Aaron Swartz" | ...schoolyard subversion...
            <mailto:me@...> | <http://aaronsw.com/school/>
            <http://www.aaronsw.com/> | because school makes kids dumb
          • markpasc@mindspring.com
            Using HTML to point to syndication feeds has been discussed at least once [1], but I don t think anything ever came of it. ... Well, the standard reads
            Message 5 of 6 , Oct 6, 2001
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              Using HTML <link/> to point to syndication feeds has been discussed at
              least once [1], but I don't think anything ever came of it.


              Bill Kearney wrote:
              > The only downside is abusing the REL attribute on the link tag.

              Well, the standard reads [2], "Authors may wish to define additional link
              types not described in this specification. If they do so, they should use a
              profile [3] to cite the conventions used to define the link types." So the
              most we could abuse rel is the self-abuse of using something without any
              user-agent support.


              Aaron Swartz wrote:
              > iCab supports it:

              Supposedly Mozilla does now, too [4], but I'm curious how either of them
              handle unknown rels such as "syndication". From this bug [5] I'm guessing
              for Mozilla it's "not very well," at best.


              [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syndication/message/2010
              [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-links
              [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#profiles
              [4] http://mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2042
              [5] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90966


              Mark Paschal
              markpasc@...
            • Aaron Swartz
              On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 10:59 AM, ... iCab puts them in a nice little drop down list using the TITLE= ... attribute. -- [ Aaron Swartz ;
              Message 6 of 6 , Oct 11, 2001
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                On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 10:59 AM,
                markpasc@... wrote:

                >> iCab supports it:
                >
                > Supposedly Mozilla does now, too [4], but I'm curious how
                > either of them
                > handle unknown rels such as "syndication". From this bug [5]
                > I'm guessing
                > for Mozilla it's "not very well," at best.

                iCab puts them in a nice little drop down list using the
                TITLE='...' attribute.

                --
                [ "Aaron Swartz" ; <mailto:me@...> ; <http://www.aaronsw.com/> ]
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