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  • Jose Francisco Medeiros
    Hi Len, You are correct about emulation, I also started using Connectix to run Windows 95 on my first Mac computer a Centris 650, and it was painfully slow
    Message 1 of 8 , Jun 29, 2013
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      Hi Len,

      You are correct about emulation, I also started using Connectix to run Windows 95 on my first Mac computer a Centris 650, and it was painfully slow compared to running Windows 95 on my Intel 486 computer. Good idea to get the latest backup, brown outs are notorious for damaging computer hardware not on a UPS.

      Roger, I was not aware that Windows had a release compiled for the ARM cpu's.
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/159838-windows-rt-8-1-still-slow-still-plagued-by-the-desktop-still-useless

      Have a great weekend,

      Jose F. Medeiros



      On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Roger Smith <smith@...> wrote:
      It certainly isn't anything I've looked into, but there is a version of
      Windows (Windows RT) that runs on the ARM, and the Apple A series chips
      are licensed ARM designs so far as I know.

      Roger Smith,   Artegenix,  408-736-7200
      Complete System  & Network Administration
      Windows, Mac, Cisco
      Apple Consultants Network
      Microsoft Registered Partner, Small Business Specialist

      On 6/27/13 9:46 AM, Len wrote:
      >
      > http://qz.com/97856/how-long-before-apple-ditches-intel-in-the-only-segment-that-counts/
      >
      > After reading this, I've become more concerned about this possibility.
      > I think it is great that Apple is making great progress on it's line
      > of A5, etc chips.
      >
      > However, many users can't abandon Windows. This includes REALTORS® in
      > many other parts of the country, such as Las Vegas. The only way they
      > are allowed to access the REALTOR® MLS (non-public), is with Windows.
      > Also, some REALTOR® electronic key safe systems require Windows to
      > update them.
      >
      > I remember the days of Connectix/Microsoft Virtual PC. Prior to Intel,
      > processor emulation (not virtualization) methods were excruciatingly
      > slow. If running Windows on an A(x) chip involved processor emulation
      > without Intel chips, it would take a great deal of processing power,
      > and battery life would really drop.
      >
      > Is there a potential technical solution to running Windows on a future
      > A(x) chip, at a reasonable speed, without consuming an unacceptable
      > amount of processor power, with consequential drop in battery life?
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Len Walther, CDPE Advanced, e-PRO, GRI
      > Certified Distressed Property Expert, Advanced
      > http://www.LenCanHelp.com/
      > Broker, DRE#00460258
      >
      > RE/MAX Real Estate Services
      > 19200 Stevens Creek Blvd, Ste 210
      > Cupertino, CA 95014
      >
      > Past Director, California Association of REALTORS®
      > President's Choice Award, 2002, Santa Clara County Association of
      > REALTORS®
      >
      > 408-252-9800 Ext 2537 Phone
      > 408-252-9819 Fax
      >
      >



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    • Roger Smith
      Well, I didn t say it worked! It is Windows after all. Actually their biggest issues are poorly performing hardware, and the lack of a Microsoft roadmap for
      Message 2 of 8 , Jun 29, 2013
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        Well, I didn't say it worked! It is Windows after all.

        Actually their biggest issues are poorly performing hardware, and the
        lack of a Microsoft roadmap for it. Now which is the chicken, and
        which the egg? Hmmm. There is some circular causality there.

        Roger Smith, Artegenix, 408-736-7200
        Complete System & Network Administration
        Windows, Mac, Cisco
        Apple Consultants Network
        Microsoft Registered Partner, Small Business Specialist

        On 6/29/13 10:04 AM, Jose Francisco Medeiros wrote:
        > Hi Len,
        >
        > You are correct about emulation, I also started using Connectix to run
        > Windows 95 on my first Mac computer a Centris 650, and it was
        > painfully slow compared to running Windows 95 on my Intel 486
        > computer. Good idea to get the latest backup, brown outs are notorious
        > for damaging computer hardware not on a UPS.
        >
        > Roger, I was not aware that Windows had a release compiled for the ARM
        > cpu's.
        > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/159838-windows-rt-8-1-still-slow-still-plagued-by-the-desktop-still-useless
        >
        > Have a great weekend,
        >
        > Jose F. Medeiros
        >
        >
        >
        > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Roger Smith <smith@...
        > <mailto:smith@...>> wrote:
        >
        > It certainly isn't anything I've looked into, but there is a
        > version of
        > Windows (Windows RT) that runs on the ARM, and the Apple A series
        > chips
        > are licensed ARM designs so far as I know.
        >
        > Roger Smith, Artegenix, 408-736-7200 <tel:408-736-7200>
        > Complete System & Network Administration
        > Windows, Mac, Cisco
        > Apple Consultants Network
        > Microsoft Registered Partner, Small Business Specialist
        >
        > On 6/27/13 9:46 AM, Len wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > http://qz.com/97856/how-long-before-apple-ditches-intel-in-the-only-segment-that-counts/
        > >
        > > After reading this, I've become more concerned about this
        > possibility.
        > > I think it is great that Apple is making great progress on it's line
        > > of A5, etc chips.
        > >
        > > However, many users can't abandon Windows. This includes
        > REALTORS® in
        > > many other parts of the country, such as Las Vegas. The only way
        > they
        > > are allowed to access the REALTOR® MLS (non-public), is with
        > Windows.
        > > Also, some REALTOR® electronic key safe systems require Windows to
        > > update them.
        > >
        > > I remember the days of Connectix/Microsoft Virtual PC. Prior to
        > Intel,
        > > processor emulation (not virtualization) methods were excruciatingly
        > > slow. If running Windows on an A(x) chip involved processor
        > emulation
        > > without Intel chips, it would take a great deal of processing power,
        > > and battery life would really drop.
        > >
        > > Is there a potential technical solution to running Windows on a
        > future
        > > A(x) chip, at a reasonable speed, without consuming an unacceptable
        > > amount of processor power, with consequential drop in battery life?
        > >
        > > Thanks,
        > >
        > > Len Walther, CDPE Advanced, e-PRO, GRI
        > > Certified Distressed Property Expert, Advanced
        > > http://www.LenCanHelp.com/
        > > Broker, DRE#00460258
        > >
        > > RE/MAX Real Estate Services
        > > 19200 Stevens Creek Blvd, Ste 210
        > > Cupertino, CA 95014
        > >
        > > Past Director, California Association of REALTORS®
        > > President's Choice Award, 2002, Santa Clara County Association of
        > > REALTORS®
        > >
        > > 408-252-9800 Ext 2537 <tel:408-252-9800%20Ext%202537> Phone
        > > 408-252-9819 <tel:408-252-9819> Fax
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
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        >
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      • Jose F. Medeiros
        That kind of reminds me when Microsoft NT 3.51 and NT 4 server supported the DEC Alpha CPU. All the apps that weren t nativly compiled for the Alpha Chip ran
        Message 3 of 8 , Jun 29, 2013
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          That kind of reminds me when Microsoft NT 3.51 and NT 4 server supported the DEC Alpha CPU. All the apps that weren't nativly compiled for the Alpha Chip ran in emulation mode, and was slower then a Pentium, even though the Alpha CPU was a full 64 bit CPU in the late 90's.
           
          Jose F. Medeiros
          San Jose, California
          http://www.linkedin.com/in/josemedeiros
          Thomas A. Edison: 'I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work."
          From: Roger Smith <smith@...>
          To: Jose Francisco Medeiros <jose.medeiros@...>
          Cc: svmug@yahoogroups.com; Len Walther <MacREALTOR@...>
          Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:41 AM
          Subject: Re: [svmug] What if Apple drops Intel processors for OS X?
           
          Well, I didn't say it worked! It is Windows after all.

          Actually their biggest issues are poorly performing hardware, and the
          lack of a Microsoft roadmap for it. Now which is the chicken, and
          which the egg? Hmmm. There is some circular causality there.

          Roger Smith, Artegenix, 408-736-7200
          Complete System & Network Administration
          Windows, Mac, Cisco
          Apple Consultants Network
          Microsoft Registered Partner, Small Business Specialist

          On 6/29/13 10:04 AM, Jose Francisco Medeiros wrote:
          > Hi Len,
          >
          > You are correct about emulation, I also started using Connectix to run
          > Windows 95 on my first Mac computer a Centris 650, and it was
          > painfully slow compared to running Windows 95 on my Intel 486
          > computer. Good idea to get the latest backup, brown outs are notorious
          > for damaging computer hardware not on a UPS.
          >
          > Roger, I was not aware that Windows had a release compiled for the ARM
          > cpu's.
          > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/159838-windows-rt-8-1-still-slow-still-plagued-by-the-desktop-still-useless
          >
          > Have a great weekend,
          >
          > Jose F. Medeiros
          >
          >
          >
          > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Roger Smith <mailto:smith%40artegenix.com
          > <mailto:mailto:smith%40artegenix.com>> wrote:
          >
          > It certainly isn't anything I've looked into, but there is a
          > version of
          > Windows (Windows RT) that runs on the ARM, and the Apple A series
          > chips
          > are licensed ARM designs so far as I know.
          >
          > Roger Smith, Artegenix, 408-736-7200 <tel:408-736-7200>
          > Complete System & Network Administration
          > Windows, Mac, Cisco
          > Apple Consultants Network
          > Microsoft Registered Partner, Small Business Specialist
          >
          > On 6/27/13 9:46 AM, Len wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > http://qz.com/97856/how-long-before-apple-ditches-intel-in-the-only-segment-that-counts/
          > >
          > > After reading this, I've become more concerned about this
          > possibility.
          > > I think it is great that Apple is making great progress on it's line
          > > of A5, etc chips.
          > >
          > > However, many users can't abandon Windows. This includes
          > REALTORS® in
          > > many other parts of the country, such as Las Vegas. The only way
          > they
          > > are allowed to access the REALTOR® MLS (non-public), is with
          > Windows.
          > > Also, some REALTOR® electronic key safe systems require Windows to
          > > update them.
          > >
          > > I remember the days of Connectix/Microsoft Virtual PC. Prior to
          > Intel,
          > > processor emulation (not virtualization) methods were excruciatingly
          > > slow. If running Windows on an A(x) chip involved processor
          > emulation
          > > without Intel chips, it would take a great deal of processing power,
          > > and battery life would really drop.
          > >
          > > Is there a potential technical solution to running Windows on a
          > future
          > > A(x) chip, at a reasonable speed, without consuming an unacceptable
          > > amount of processor power, with consequential drop in battery life?
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > >
          > > Len Walther, CDPE Advanced, e-PRO, GRI
          > > Certified Distressed Property Expert, Advanced
          > > http://www.LenCanHelp.com/
          > > Broker, DRE#00460258
          > >
          > > RE/MAX Real Estate Services
          > > 19200 Stevens Creek Blvd, Ste 210
          > > Cupertino, CA 95014
          > >
          > > Past Director, California Association of REALTORS®
          > > President's Choice Award, 2002, Santa Clara County Association of
          > > REALTORS®
          > >
          > > 408-252-9800 Ext 2537 <tel:408-252-9800%20Ext%202537> Phone
          > > 408-252-9819 <tel:408-252-9819> Fax
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >
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          >
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          >
          >
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          >
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