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  • Bradley Neuberg
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      On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@...>wrote:

      > thanks for sharing the links - can we put them up on the SVG Open webpage
      > (news section)?
      >
      > andreas
      >
      >
      > On Sat, October 3, 2009 7:57 pm, Bradley Neuberg wrote:
      > > Another good article from yesterday:
      > >
      > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10365636-264.html
      > >
      > > I wrote the following blog post on the Google Code blog yesterday as well
      > > concerning some of the work we've been doing:
      > >
      > >
      > http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/10/svg-at-google-and-in-internet-explorer.html
      > >
      > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Did anyone notice Paul Krill in the audience yesterday? I believe he was
      > >> hear for the keynotes and left about 11am.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> http://infoworld.com/d/applications/google-microsoft-support-svg-346
      > >>
      > >> *InfoWorld Home* <http://infoworld.com/> /
      > >> *Applications*<http://infoworld.com/d/applications>/
      > >> *News* <http://infoworld.com/d/applications/news> / Google to
      > Microsoft:
      > >> Support SVG
      > >> October 02, 2009
      > >> *Google to Microsoft: Support SVG*
      > >> *Internet Explorer is lone holdout in backing W3C specification for
      > >> high-quality, interactive Web graphics using XML, Google official
      > >> stresses
      > >> at conference*
      > >> By *Paul Krill* <http://infoworld.com/author-bios/paul-krill> |
      > >> *InfoWorld
      > >> * <http://www.infoworld.com/>
      > >> *Share or Email*
      > >> | *Print* <http://infoworld.com/print/94346> | *Add a
      > >> comment*<
      > http://infoworld.com/d/applications/google-microsoft-support-svg-346#talkback
      > >|
      > >>
      > >> *14
      > >> Recommendations*<
      > http://infoworld.com/vote_up_down/node/94346/1/vote?destination=node%2F94346?r=206
      > >
      > >>
      > >> The SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) specification may be experiencing a
      > >> renaissance, but it would sure be helpful if Microsoft's Internet
      > >> Explorer
      > >> browser supported SVG, a Google official argued at a technical
      > >> conference on
      > >> Friday.
      > >>
      > >> SVG is a World Wide Web Consortium specification for high-quality,
      > >> interactive graphics on the Web using XML. Other browsers such as
      > >> Mozilla
      > >> Firefox and Opera support it, said Brad Neuberg, a developer advocate at
      > >> Google and a member of the Open Web Advocacy group. "I think SVG has a
      > >> really special history," he said at the *SVG Open
      > >> 2009*<
      > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/google-gather-svg-boosters-990
      > >conference
      > >> at Google offices in Mountain View, Calif. "I'm just blown away
      > >> by the kind of level of passion and the level of commitment."
      > >>
      > >> *[ Also on InfoWorld: **Could HTML 5 kill Flash and
      > >> Silverlight?*<
      > http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-5-could-it-kill-flash-and-silverlight-291?source=fssr
      > >
      > >> * | Cut straight to the key news for technology development and IT
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      > >> to
      > >> the **InfoWorld Daily
      > >> newsletter*<
      > http://www.infoworld.com/newsletters/subscribe?showlist=infoworld_daily&source=fssr
      > >
      > >> *. ]*
      > >>
      > >> "Folks want to be able to do drawing on the Web. They want SVG and
      > >> Canvas.
      > >> There's a clear market demand, so developers want this," said Neuberg.
      > >>
      > >> A renaissance is happening with SVG similar to what happened with DHTML,
      > >> Neuberg said. Hindering progress, however, is a lack of native support
      > >> for
      > >> the standard in IE. Developers, Neuberg said, have had to use a
      > >> workaround:
      > >> SVG Web, a JavaScript library enabling use of SVG in Internet Explorer
      > >> and
      > >> other browsers.
      > >>
      > >> But SVG Web is limited, according to Neuberg: "SVG Web, it's not a 'Get
      > >> Out
      > >> of Jail Free' card for IE. The library will always be slower than native
      > >> support."
      > >>
      > >> Microsoft had two representatives at the event Friday, a move lauded by
      > >> Neuberg. "I really respect that they came to the conference this year"
      > >> and
      > >> are having a dialog, he said.
      > >>
      > >> One of Microsoft's reps, IE software architect Ted Johnson, said the
      > >> company would not be announcing anything at the event about future
      > >> versions
      > >> of the browser. "We're just here to listen and learn," he said.
      > >>
      > >> SVG, Johnson said, grew out of proposals from Microsoft and Adobe.
      > >> Microsoft has supported vector graphics via Vector Markup Language
      > >> (VML), he
      > >> said, but he gave a nod to SVG.
      > >>
      > >> "SVG's coming of age," Johnson said.
      > >>
      > >> Microsoft's lack of SVG support in IE is a problem, said conference
      > >> attendee Greg Sterndale, senior software engineer at Plectix.
      > >>
      > >> "But it sounds like the guys at Google have done a lot of work, and the
      > >> community's done a lot of work to find a way around that for now. I
      > >> think
      > >> that in the future, IE is definitely going to be supporting it,"
      > >> Sterndale
      > >> said.
      > >>
      > >> Also backing SVG was a presenter from Wikimedia Foundation, maker of the
      > >> Wikipedia Web site.
      > >>
      > >> "We've been using SVG very heavily on Wikipedia because it gives us a
      > >> standard format for graphics, which can be edited by multiple people,"
      > >> said
      > >> Brion Vibber, CTO of the foundation. He added that browser support is up
      > >> to
      > >> snuff on pretty much every browser but IE, though SVG Web helps.
      > >>
      > >> "Until we have native support in IE, we have something almost as good,"
      > >> Vibber said.
      > >>
      > >> Neuberg said Canvas 2-D Web drawing capability is also sought for IE.
      > >> Canvas is part of the HTML 5 specification, of which Google is a big
      > >> supporter.
      > >>
      > >> Neuberg cited multiple benefits of SVG.
      > >>
      > >> "SVG is very searchable," Neuberg added, acknowledging that Google is a
      > >> search company. Also, he noted, SVG is easy to import and export.
      > >>
      > >> "You don't get trapped into any [specific] tool and it's also very
      > >> server-friendly" when working with -- for example -- PHP scripts,
      > >> Neuberg
      > >> said. Google's Visualization API supports SVG as well. "This is a
      > >> perfect
      > >> use case for SVG," he said.
      > >>
      > >> Paul Krill is an editor at large at InfoWorld.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Andreas Neumann
      > http://www.carto.net/neumann/
      > http://www.svgopen.org/
      >
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