Re: [svgopen2009] Infoworld article on SVG Open
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann@...>wrote:
> thanks for sharing the links - can we put them up on the SVG Open webpage
> (news section)?
> On Sat, October 3, 2009 7:57 pm, Bradley Neuberg wrote:
> > Another good article from yesterday:
> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10365636-264.html
> > I wrote the following blog post on the Google Code blog yesterday as well
> > concerning some of the work we've been doing:
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@...>
> >> Did anyone notice Paul Krill in the audience yesterday? I believe he was
> >> hear for the keynotes and left about 11am.
> >> http://infoworld.com/d/applications/google-microsoft-support-svg-346
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> >> Support SVG
> >> October 02, 2009
> >> *Google to Microsoft: Support SVG*
> >> *Internet Explorer is lone holdout in backing W3C specification for
> >> high-quality, interactive Web graphics using XML, Google official
> >> stresses
> >> at conference*
> >> By *Paul Krill* <http://infoworld.com/author-bios/paul-krill> |
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> >> The SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) specification may be experiencing a
> >> renaissance, but it would sure be helpful if Microsoft's Internet
> >> Explorer
> >> browser supported SVG, a Google official argued at a technical
> >> conference on
> >> Friday.
> >> SVG is a World Wide Web Consortium specification for high-quality,
> >> interactive graphics on the Web using XML. Other browsers such as
> >> Mozilla
> >> Firefox and Opera support it, said Brad Neuberg, a developer advocate at
> >> Google and a member of the Open Web Advocacy group. "I think SVG has a
> >> really special history," he said at the *SVG Open
> >> 2009*<
> >> at Google offices in Mountain View, Calif. "I'm just blown away
> >> by the kind of level of passion and the level of commitment."
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> >> "Folks want to be able to do drawing on the Web. They want SVG and
> >> Canvas.
> >> There's a clear market demand, so developers want this," said Neuberg.
> >> A renaissance is happening with SVG similar to what happened with DHTML,
> >> Neuberg said. Hindering progress, however, is a lack of native support
> >> for
> >> the standard in IE. Developers, Neuberg said, have had to use a
> >> workaround:
> >> and
> >> other browsers.
> >> But SVG Web is limited, according to Neuberg: "SVG Web, it's not a 'Get
> >> Out
> >> of Jail Free' card for IE. The library will always be slower than native
> >> support."
> >> Microsoft had two representatives at the event Friday, a move lauded by
> >> Neuberg. "I really respect that they came to the conference this year"
> >> and
> >> are having a dialog, he said.
> >> One of Microsoft's reps, IE software architect Ted Johnson, said the
> >> company would not be announcing anything at the event about future
> >> versions
> >> of the browser. "We're just here to listen and learn," he said.
> >> SVG, Johnson said, grew out of proposals from Microsoft and Adobe.
> >> Microsoft has supported vector graphics via Vector Markup Language
> >> (VML), he
> >> said, but he gave a nod to SVG.
> >> "SVG's coming of age," Johnson said.
> >> Microsoft's lack of SVG support in IE is a problem, said conference
> >> attendee Greg Sterndale, senior software engineer at Plectix.
> >> "But it sounds like the guys at Google have done a lot of work, and the
> >> community's done a lot of work to find a way around that for now. I
> >> think
> >> that in the future, IE is definitely going to be supporting it,"
> >> Sterndale
> >> said.
> >> Also backing SVG was a presenter from Wikimedia Foundation, maker of the
> >> Wikipedia Web site.
> >> "We've been using SVG very heavily on Wikipedia because it gives us a
> >> standard format for graphics, which can be edited by multiple people,"
> >> said
> >> Brion Vibber, CTO of the foundation. He added that browser support is up
> >> to
> >> snuff on pretty much every browser but IE, though SVG Web helps.
> >> "Until we have native support in IE, we have something almost as good,"
> >> Vibber said.
> >> Neuberg said Canvas 2-D Web drawing capability is also sought for IE.
> >> Canvas is part of the HTML 5 specification, of which Google is a big
> >> supporter.
> >> Neuberg cited multiple benefits of SVG.
> >> "SVG is very searchable," Neuberg added, acknowledging that Google is a
> >> search company. Also, he noted, SVG is easy to import and export.
> >> "You don't get trapped into any [specific] tool and it's also very
> >> server-friendly" when working with -- for example -- PHP scripts,
> >> Neuberg
> >> said. Google's Visualization API supports SVG as well. "This is a
> >> perfect
> >> use case for SVG," he said.
> >> Paul Krill is an editor at large at InfoWorld.
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