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Re: Palm Pre (WebOS) supporting SVG?

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  • Jeff Schiller
    Domenico, I have tried not to address your name-calling, condescension or inflammatory statements. ... I did not at all mention the law in my statements. I
    Message 1 of 58 , Jun 17, 2009
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      Domenico,

      I have tried not to address your name-calling, condescension or inflammatory statements.

      --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Domenico Strazzullo" <nst@...> wrote:
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      > > I believe that Google has every right to compile out SVG on the default configuration of Android. I also believe that Internet Explorer has every right to not build support for SVG into their browser.
      > >
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      > The point is not about consolidating the rights we have within the limits of the law. That is not at all the point. I don't know why you worry about that.

      I did not at all mention 'the law' in my statements. I guess I was referring to moral/ethical rights, whatever that means in this context. In other words, I do not believe corporations owe me a beautiful SVG implementation, even though I think it would be the right thing for them to do.

      > > This is because I believe in the power of competition and the freedom of choice. I want SVG to be the right and obvious solution not because the people who happen to be in charge today believe it to be the right solution but because of its merits: growing footprint on the web, no vendor lock-in, versatility/flexibility, small filesize, extensibility, interoperate with the DOM, etc.
      > >
      >
      > And you believe that others don't?

      I did not state this, nor do I believe it.

      > And what is the "power of competition"? That's kind of scary. If you say just competition I understand, but the power bit makes me think we shouldn't talk together.

      This could be simply a language barrier issue. I guess it would have been less offensive to you if I had said "the benefits of competition". The word "power" in this context is just "the ability to make things happen", I was not ascribing negative connotations to the word "power".

      > (BTW, you might find interesting to know that my wife does the Corporate for Saint Google-France)

      I can't say that I find this particularly interesting, no. I recognize that you are an opinionated person and would not expect your wife's employment to sway your views :)

      > you can read again where I say that I think your statements, as well as Brads', are also true. Obviously you seem to dislike other parts of my post. But you don't have to react ferociously against either.

      Actually in all honesty my post was not meant to be ferocious in any way. It's obvious that you interpreted it as such. I was simply expressing my assessment of the situation. In hindsight, I should not have included my first two rhetorical questions as it set off the wrong tone for my post and for this I apologize.

      > > I trust Brad and his assessment of the situation.
      >
      > I trust mine. I'm sorry, I'm going to be kind of cheap and I hate myself but, do you have one of yours, other than ready to wear ones?

      As stated above, I tried to express my assessment of the situation in my earlier post, actually. Please do not hate yourself.


      > People fight to deserve what they get. It's like democracy, you fight everyday to build it and preserve it; what you have been taught, that democracy is a gift of God, is false, period. You have been cheated upon. Keep you current frozen views, it's your right, but do not be mad at others if they have diffrent ones.

      Please do not assume what I have been taught or what I believe with respect to democracy or God - frankly, that has no place in this forum. I actually do believe that people have to 'fight' to deserve what they get - but I prefer the term 'work' over 'fight'. And to me 'work' means:

      * continuing to develop and improve standards
      * promoting SVG on websites, blogs
      * building community
      * building demos
      * fixing bugs
      * implementing features
      * organizing of and speaking at conferences
      * developing working relationships between players in the industry

      I'd be curious to know what 'fight' means for you (i.e. your proposed solution).

      And I am not mad at you.

      Regards,
      Jeff
    • CPK Smithies
      Thanks for your comments, Jeff. I found that this is a problem in Chrome too, and that the inference that it is a webkit bug is supported by
      Message 58 of 58 , Jun 25, 2009
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        Thanks for your comments, Jeff. I found that this is a problem in Chrome
        too, and that the inference that it is a webkit bug is supported by

        https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17744

        which bug is bafflingly labelled "unconfirmed", having been reported in
        March 2008.

        I am going to try the chromium-browser on my 32-bit Ubuntu box and see
        what webkit does there.

        Regards to all,

        Christopher Smithies
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