Guy Morton wrote (on 4/10/08 12:31 AM):
> I think it should be pretty obvious that my "threats of violence"
> were in jest. Let's not imply they might have been otherwise by
> getting all serious about it. The smily face is a big clue.
It's still not appropriate language or subject matter for a this list.
Thanks for adopting a more moderate tone.
> What do you suggest we do about MS and no SVG in IE8? MS are making
> it pretty obvious that they're intent on driving SVG off the face of
> the earth. Unlike some of the more optimistic types on this list I
> saw that coming a mile off, and while I'd like to SVG succeed with
> mass uptake in the browser arena, I have to say that unless SOMEONE
> SOMEWHERE does more than just hope and ask nicely for MS to change I
> can't see how that's going to happen.
That's an excellent question. Obviously, if there is an appropriate
plugin that is maintained and available, native support in IE is less of
a concern... but still a concern.
I know of several possible replacements for ASV, and I will keep
pressing those vendors to make them publicly available.
We can also keep pressing MS to support SVG, and that is happening on a
number of fronts. I remind them of it fairly frequently, but that's not
enough, of course... The standards law suit they are facing in the EU is
one way of putting market pressure on them. Getting their customers
(large companies and organizations who send them requirements) to
request SVG is another. Yet another is including normative references
to it in HTML5, which they intend to implement.
All of these things are ongoing, but in my opinion, step one is to get
them to support XHTML and proper DOM. Without that first step, which
will be easier, supporting just the graphical aspects of SVG is not very
helpful. So, let's move them one step at a time.