15545Re: [svg-developers] Macromedia promises better Web apps
- May 1, 2002<jdowdell@...>
> Hi Chris, that type of post reminds me of throwing spaghetti at thewall,
> trying to see what sticks before moving to another topic. Re-runs getalways
> Recap: HTML and SWF are indeed both useful formats... browsers don't
> communicate with their plugins, although you can bookmark a scene withina
> SWF if the browser permits...Can you show us a browser that does - or the mechanism in which I could
functionality to my browser? I use the Win32 ActiveX. - A fragment
identifier for flash would solve the issue...
> it's useful to separate data fromrequests...
> presentation, which is why SWF can offer efficiencies with live
use of iframe/object elements.
> search engines vary, but Atomz pulls text in SWF and Google (whichrelies
> on links!) does offer "filetype:swf" arguments... much more in the usualGoogle ranks by links, it doesn't rely on them, it's been ACCEPTing swf
for a long time, and does look for content, unlike PPT, PDF, XLS though it
still doesn't offer it in a normal search most likely because it can't
provide an "HTML view" like it can of the others.
> Go look at the Etrade implementation you're objecting to.page,
> A visitor can specify a stock and get current info displayed in their
> without disturbing the existing page.Yes... There's nothing either new, or specific to flash in this, this has
been possible in browsers for at least 4 years (actually NN3 you could
it back further, but that's perhaps too ugly to be directly comparable),
and has been regularly seen. It can also be achieved accessibily with
graceful fallback so the content was still available to all UA's.
I didn't notice anyone objecting just suggesting that the annoucement was
full of quite usual technical puffery that whilst true and a good solution
was nothing unique and still suffers the huge accessibility problems of
flash - something which is close to being addressed for some users of AT's
but it's a long way behind HTML still.
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