Yes, this is an interesting subject. A few additional points:
1) The "free market" for parking doesn't always work, so there is a
case for regulating pricing.
For example, many cities have "early bird" pricing where the person
staying all day in private parking gets a steep discount and the
person who stays for an hour or two in public parking on the street
gets gouged. This is exactly the opposite of how it should be. It
incentivizes driving the car to work and going to the suburbs to
conduct shopping, business, visits to clinics, etc.
2) The only place where public transport should be "free", meaning no
fares, is where the cost recovery factor is low anyway. In such cases,
the money processing uses up a significant part of the revenue
collected and there probably are no congestion issues. If you don't
have fares, especially during the peak hours, then the system gets
overloaded with people going a short distance, which means either
further very high expense to add peak capacity and the incentivizing
of a shift to private transport for those who can afford to avoid
overcrowding. Furthermore, the the revenue is needed to make
improvements to service. Ultimately, a system with fares simply wont'
be as good....
Quoting ashok datar <datar.ashok@...
> this is an interesting subject
> why an employer should not provide reimbursement for expenses incurred on
> public transport commute for each employee in the most optimal manner
> and perhaps make it tax deductible
> offer no direct or indirect perquisite for car, its parking or loan to buy
> a car
> and let govt or mun authoriites charge market driven parking tariff for all
> this is the most efficient way
> ashok datar. mumbai
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Dave Holladay <tramsol@...> wrote:
>> There is no such thing as a free lunch - you pay to use a car so you pay
>> to use public transport.
>> How you pay and what you pay might be the issue but I'm totally against
>> Free as the concept
>> Public Transport might be underwritten by organisations who make massive
>> savings on providing car parking - some London companies reckon on
>> saving £9K per year for every employee who does not need a car park
>> space on their HQ site in West London, typically many will be giving
>> each car driving employee parking to the value of £2K-£3K per year, so
>> why not switch the offer to include ALL employees rather that the select
>> few who opt to bring in their own cars, and expect free parking.
>> Expand this to all parking - after all in the UK and for many other
>> legislations the only commitment made by government is to provide roads
>> for moving traffic, so ditch all provision for parking - provide roads
>> ONLY for people moving around - on foot on bikes, on buses, in cars.
>> A move to equate all travel costs through a common tariff will also help
>> so that the cost of parking - at all times - can be totalled up against
>> the cost of using a public service system. Parking on or off the street
>> at home or at the destination will have a price which can then be
>> measured against the price for taking a publicly available service.
>> Imagine if owning a car delivered the cost of paying for where it sits
>> still at all the times it isn't moving.
>> On 12/12/12 15:13, eric britton wrote:
>> > Editorial: No FPT without SCR
>> > Posted on 12 December 2012
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>> > *This is a simple fact*! Free Public Transport (FPT) has no possible
>> > justification whatsoever unless your governing officials are willing
>> > to do something about adjusting the modal mix and bringi ng down car
>> > ownership and use in the city strategically and as quickly as possible
>> > SCR -- (Serious Car Reductions).
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>> > The tools for achieving these necessary adjustments in the modal split
>> > are well known, experience-proven and widely used in cities of all
>> > sizes in many parts of the world. There is no possible justification
>> > that competent public authorities not be aware of these proven tools
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