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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

Take care Gich! Sent from my iPhone ... Take care Gich! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2015, at 12:56 AM, 'Edwin' edwinjones826@... [stoics]
Kevin
11:23 AM
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

Grant wrote: [1] "I end my participation in this thread. I cannot believe that you could read Discourses 2.14 and 4.12 and come away with the idea that
Edwin
9:56 AM
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

_______________ This is deliberate obfuscation on your part! We are discussing the fact that Epictetusdoes not ADVOCATE Leadership . . . ______________  
Steve Marquis
8:33 AM
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... ***** I end my participation in this thread. I cannot believe that you could read Discourses 2.14 and 4.12 and come away with the idea that Epictetus in
Grant Sterling
Jul 3
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... ***** I am indeed saying that the Stoic approach is better than the non-Stoic approach _in part_ because the Stoic is free from worry and distress and the
Grant Sterling
Jul 3
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... What do you mean by "bad"? a) The murderers did something seriously immoral--their acts were very bad _for themselves_. b) This is the kind of thing that,
Grant Sterling
Jul 3
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... I think the recent mass murder in Tunisia is "really bad." Any philosophy that does not recognise this is worthless. **** What do you think is the meaning
ptypes
Jul 3
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, 'Edwin' edwinjones826@... ... If the first of the principles is true, that outside the sphere of choice, there is
Dave Kelly
Jul 2
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

Ed- This is almost comical.  If Grant starts grasping at straws I'll believe the apocalypse / conflagration is imminent. Most will happily give their opinion
Steve Marquis
Jul 2
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... First, kindly point to the passages in the Discourses where he depicts the Sage as paralyzed by the fear of making a mistake. We are attempting to
Grant Sterling
Jul 2
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... I cannot imagine how you could read my post, in all its detail, attempting to understand my position, and come away with this interpretation. The view you
Grant Sterling
Jul 2
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

Ed- The Stoic on the log example was set up to be ridiculous to illustrate where an erroneous simple minded literal interpretation of 'don't lead events -
Steve Marquis
Jul 1
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... We've covered this before--you persist in misunderstanding the Stoic notion of "error". Suppose that Sammy the Sage has accumulated a large amount of data
Grant Sterling
Jul 1
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

... ***** I understand why you think that it means that, but I have tried to explain why it doesn't. (See also Steve's post along the same lines.) If there's
Grant Sterling
Jul 1
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Re: We ought not to lead events, but to follow them

Ed- MarcusAurelius, Seneca, and Cicero were certainly leaders in their day and theexpress purpose of Socrates was to educate ‘the young men of Athens’
Steve Marquis
Jun 30
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