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35658Re: [stoics] RE: What is the right reason?

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  • Steve Marquis
    Feb 7, 2014
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      Integrity to me means to be ‘integrated’ -  IOW a complex organism or machine or process that consists of many parts working together in harmony without internal conflict.  I guess ‘working together smoothly’ describes it if you want brevity.  The ‘suffering’ in Buddhism I believe is a term used to describe a lack of psychological integrity (ie, things out of joint) much like the Stoics would say pathos represents an internal disharmony.  But the common usage ‘he has integrity’ seems more at a foggy synonym for ‘good character’ in general without any hint at a lack of internal conflict that I can see.  Sorry but I will insist on unpacking these words for clear definitions of what we mean.
      For me to answer your question you will have to tell me what you mean by ‘integrity’.  To speculate it seems to ‘accord with nature’ aims at a smooth harmonious working together of the whole without internal conflict while what does not accord with nature would be the opposite.  Since any local truth nests in a wider Truth the Stoic insistence that we assent to true propositions would naturally lead to more integrity or less internal conflict.  Assenting to falsehoods OTOH doesn’t’ guarantee that any one of these falsehoods is consistent with any other.  So it seems that assenting to false propositions naturally leads to a lack of integrity.
      Your ‘continuum’ might be the frequency with which one assents to true impressions – an increase in that frequency would be one way to gauge progress.
      As for brevity I don’t think a case can be made for it at all if clarity is sacrificed.  Sometimes one who is good with language can be succinct – Epictetus seems to be one of those.  I am not :).  The amount of information we are required to process day to day in a modern society requires that attention to any given decision be very brief and this is not good.  Our attention is down simply by the nature of our life style and that necessitates that our lives are less well considered.  Brevity as best exemplified by advertisements, news, and political sound bites are appeals / explanations of things that cannot possibly have enough time for justified support of the promoted claim.  The whole things smack of lack of quality; of lack of arête.  Yet we bite on it all the time.  It is how we live.  It is not rational.
      Live well (and take time to consider your choices well),

      From: Richard <pmsrxw@...>
      To: Stoics <stoics@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:07 AM
      Subject: Re: [stoics] RE: What is the right reason?

      Steve M.
      «Both consistency and integrity I think are attributes of the Sophos, or wise person, but they are not synonymous. »

      Does improving upon one's integrity tend to cause a proportional increase in right choices, or not necessarily so?

      IOW, is progress along a continnum? 

      I also believe an equally strong case can be made in favor of brevity.

      Regards, Richard
      Man is not worried by real problems so much as by his imagined anxieties about real problems
      ~ Epictetus


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