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Re: Changing what we value Thanks Dave, What with Grant's contribution as well, it's been an interesting discussion for this quiet Easter weekend.  Regards, Jim 
JIM GODDARD
Apr 19
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Re: Changing what we value On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM, JIM GODDARD ... I wish to be making true judgments (dogmata, sing. dogma) and to have my moral character (prohairesis)
Dave Kelly
Apr 18
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Re: Changing what we value Thanks Grant,  This is very helpful. It lays out the issues very clearly. As you say, the two views are compatible depending on which definition of value we
JIM GODDARD
Apr 18
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Re: Changing what we value Grant: «I note that Dave's passage ends with the claim that we should 'do everything for the common good'. I take it that this means that the welfare of
Richard
Apr 18
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Re: Changing what we value ... I shouldn't answer for Dave, but.... It is possible that we have a confusion here about the word 'value'. Certainly Stoics affirm that life, pleasure, the
Grant Sterling
Apr 18
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Re: Changing what we value Gosh. Even as a follower of Stoicism, I find that set of statements rather austere. Where on earth does your motivation to get out of bed in the morning come
JIM GODDARD
Apr 17
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Re: Changing what we value I would add to this well-formed-formulas that all of these items does not have value in itselves, but they have a sort of value in according to wich use(good
valter moreira
Apr 17
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Changing what we value Changing what we value is the function and goal of the discipline of desire. I often repeat these truths to myself: Life is of no value (to me). People are of
ptypes
Apr 17
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Re: Dispelling the Stoic Myths Hi Richard Access is denied when you click on to link.  Regards Leo On Friday, 11 April 2014 11:18 PM, Richard wrote: «The ancient Stoics
Leo Iermano
Apr 11
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Dispelling the Stoic Myths «The ancient Stoics taught that we should be responsible, even grateful, for the conditions and people in our lives.» ~ Michel Daw
Richard
Apr 11
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Everything is a matter of judgment Hadot says that for Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius, "everything is a matter of judgment." The centrality of judgment is recognized by Hadot when he says that
ptypes
Apr 11
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Re: Choices in Stoicism Here is the preface and Table of Contents of, and a link to, a thesis by Allan Browning Girdwood (1998), "Innovation and Development in the Psychology and
ptypes
Apr 7
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The Complete Idiot's Guide to Philosophy Greetings, my fellow stoics.  I hope your practice is going well.   I stumbled upon, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Philosophy", and found various parts
Zoltan Augustus
Apr 3
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca Briefly - I'm getting the impression that for [at least] Seneca ò Gratitude ò Graciousness ò Beneficence / Generosity Were amongst the Stoic Virtues. Is
Richard
Apr 2
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Re: The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies Note: I have "yahoo" problems and I'm not getting all the emails... Grant: «In fact, virtue is _often_ in our long-term best interest even on the
Richard
Apr 2
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Re: The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies ... I agree, but I would phrase things a bit differently. The Greeks had a notion of one's "interest" according to which one had a true good of which one is
Grant Sterling
Apr 2
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Re: The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies That virtue or justice (virtue expressed in conduct towards others) is beneficial toward the self is a virtually constant theme of Ancient Greek ethics,
Jan Garrett
Apr 2
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca Gratitude helps us to "not take this for granted, but to cultivate appreciation, even for mere preferred indifferents. Not all of the article below stems from
Richard
Apr 1
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Choices in Stoicism Here are the current choices in Stoicism as I see them (in outline form). These posts and article have been viewed here numerous times before, and I entirely
ptypes
Apr 1
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The Surprisingly Large Cost of Telling Small Lies I found this an interesting perspective on staying "present" «Peter maintains that telling lies is the No. 1 reason entrepreneurs fail. Not because telling
Richard
Apr 1
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca But it is baffling to me why you don't in your practice make use of the Stoic teaching on good, bad, and indifferent things, and the teaching on what is in our
Richard
Mar 31
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca ... Dave Kelly: «How do you do it? Would you describe a situation where you would use this technique?» Several Ways 1. During the day I ask myself - what am
ptypes
Mar 31
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca Dave Kelly: «How do you do it? Would you describe a situation where you would use this technique?» Several Ways 1. During the day I ask myself - what am I
Richard
Mar 31
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Re: Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca ... How do you do it? Would you describe a situation where you would use this technique? ... Best wishes, Dave -- Subject everything to judgment. Accept
Dave Kelly
Mar 31
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Nothing is more honorable than a grateful heart. ~ Seneca Recentl, I have been using the technique of focusing upon gratitude as a way to help avoid "pathos". Regards, Richard ... Man is not worried by real problems
Richard
Mar 31
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Can Modern Stoicism Fill the Moral Void Left by Rising Secularism? «All the world's major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the
Richard
Mar 30
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What is in our Control to Change "There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." ~Aldous Huxley Regards, Richard ... Man is not worried by
Richard
Mar 29
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Re: Being Cool in the Face of Upset Saint Dorotheuse' advice does have a Stoic concern to it, but I;m not sure he knows the the true principles that underlie the technique. Keith Seddon: "We need
Dave Kelly
Mar 28
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Being Cool in the Face of Upset I just received this via email and I thought it worth sharing.. ½One of the very first lessons of living the principles of nonviolence is learning how to keep
Richard
Mar 28
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Arvind Rampal
Mar 27
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