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Re: The root of our difficulties [was: The Key to Clutter-Free: maki

... Steve wrote "The move from knowing what to do to doing it is left out . . ." (*) I assumed that this "doing it" is the actual physical activity. This is
Edwin
1:41 AM
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Re: The root of our difficulties [was: The Key to Clutter-Free: maki

... ***** I don't think that this is actually the problem, although I am still a bit unclear as to what you mean by "iii". If iii mean the physical action that
Grant Sterling
Jun 2
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The root of our difficulties [was: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a

You wrote: "What I am not getting from the current discussion is this move from the intellectual determination to 'making' the choice. (a) It seems that Stoic
Edwin
Jun 2
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Ed- Can you feed back what the main point of the discussion is? Live well,Steve From: "'Edwin' edwinjones826@... [stoics]" To:
Steve Marquis
Jun 1
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

... None of these snips make sense! We cannot: "determine what is best," OR come to a conclusion concerning what we "consciously think we should do," OR "hold
Edwin
Jun 1
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Dave- This is a classic method for therapy - to find out why I chose XYZ and evaluate if that reason still applies.  If not (probably not if its an old habit)
Steve Marquis
May 31
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

'associates are complexlyinaccessible' should be associations are completely inaccessible. Goodness,Steve From: "Steve Marquis stevemarquis@... [stoics]"
Steve Marquis
May 31
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Hopefullya line by line response to Grant’s posts is somewhat coherent.  Quotes from Grant’s two posts are betweenlines like below:___________ Iwould say
Steve Marquis
May 31
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

For here are the two principles that you ought to have ready at hand: Outside the sphere of choice there is nothing either good or bad; and, We ought not to
Dave Kelly
May 30
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Of course I understand this. Our upbringing is not in our power. Agreed! But upbringing is not the same sort of thing as the things Epictetus describes as
Edwin
May 30
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Hi Ed- No quotes are needed to figure this out.  This is simply a 'what's in our power vs what is not in our power' question.  What's in our power or not is
Steve Marquis
May 29
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Upbringing is nothing like any indifferent you, or Epictetus can describe. It's strange YOU can't 'see' this. Ed [in haste] From: mailto:stoics@yahoogroups.com
Edwin
May 29
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

... But this 'decision' will be determined by who we are now ("Know thyself!"). Who we are now, this person we have turned out to be, is intricately entangled
Edwin
May 29
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Perhaps this way of putting things will make my views on Motivation more clear: Some determinists have the following view: If I have motivation to do X, then I
Grant Sterling
May 28
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Re: The Key to Clutter-Free: making a choice

Ed, Upbringing can make a choice look more attractive, but nothing can compel us to perform a particlar action except our own decision. Epictetus, here
ptypes
May 28
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