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Re: [steiner] rosicrucian fellowship & steiner

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  • starmann77@aol.com
    Message 1 of 4 , Sep 16 8:50 PM
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      <dear dr. starman,
      the teachings of the rosicrucian fellowship (max heindel) are very similar
      to those of steiner or vice versa, why? and what's their difference? thanks.
      nicholas>>

      *******Because Max Heindel went to Germany about 1909 and attended a slew of
      Steiner's lectures (under a fake name), bought all the books & pamphlets he
      could and took them back to the U.S. with him, copied everything and wrote
      his first book, the "Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception". In the first edition,
      which I've held in my hand, he dedicated it on the front page to Steiner, his
      teacher. Then he removed this dedication from later editions.
      In fact we were just discussing this on the "spiritual science " list;
      here's Steiner's own words...
      (GA 203 Dornach 28 March 1921 Rudolf Steiner:)
      ' ... So for example, we once among us had a certain, yes what did he call
      himself then? In his books he then called himself Max Heindel, but here he
      had another name, calling himself Grashof. This man had here taken up all
      that he could from lectures and books. Out of that he had made a somewhat
      mystical book, Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception, and then in a second edition he
      also had taken up all that can be read in the lecture cycles and whatever
      else he had copied.... he had got what he had only copied from the cycles and
      especially from all the lectures that he cunningly had found and of which his
      writings were a pure case of plagiarism!" ("nachzuschreiben ein blosses
      Plagiat war!")

      They are an uninspired copy; they do not have the genuine spirit-impulse
      in them that's led to the agriculture, the schools, etc.

      Dr. Starman

      Dr. Starman
    • nicholas dee
      thank you so much doc starman! nicholas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from
      Message 2 of 4 , Sep 16 11:38 PM
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        thank you so much doc starman!
        nicholas


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      • jla
        Nicolas, It may be helpful to review the posting archives on this. The simple story is: Heindel under his given name of Grahof, attended Steiner s lectures and
        Message 3 of 4 , Sep 18 12:44 AM
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          Nicolas,

          It may be helpful to review the posting archives on this. 

          The simple story is:

          Heindel under his given name of Grahof, attended Steiner's lectures and met him in 1907 and 1908.
          He told Steiner he was working on a east/west encyclopedia of occultism and wanted to use some of Steiner's materials.
          Steiner wanted acknowledgment of this.

          Shortly after these meetings, Heindel asserts that he met a Rosicrucian Elder or Adept who introduced to him the teachings now found in the Fellowship publications. ( Heindel claims that he soon thereafter verified most of the the teachings for himself in the spiritual worlds)
          Steiner, Anthroposophists and some others are convinced Heindel lifted and used lecture notes and materials from Steiner without acknowledgment.
          Heindel's proponents claim that the Rosicrucian and Anthroposophia teachings emanate from the same central sources common to both spiritual streams and thus the similarity in content and language.
           

          Jeff Auen
           

          nicholas dee wrote:

           

          dear dr. starman,
             the teachings of the rosicrucian fellowship (max
          heindel) are very similar to those of steiner or vice
          versa, why?  and what's their difference?  thanks.
                                               nicholas
           

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        • nicholas dee
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          Message 4 of 4 , Sep 18 6:07 AM
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            thanks for that jla.

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